12pm - Mentor Meeting Transcript

ReallyRick Metropolitan: If you haven't heard of me /wave Hi I am ReallyRick!
Phoenix Psaltery: good to meet you, Soj
The Sojourner:
Phoenix Psaltery: No, you're not.
Loki Pico: do you guys host regular events?
The Sojourner: I host irregular events
Katt Kongo: Nice to meet you Rick o.O
ReallyRick Metropolitan: This is the first Mentor meeting that I have known about since September at least
Zapoteth Zaius: oww, sorry, help
Loki Pico: still a big need for teaching events, I feel guilty sometimes for not hosting more. I used to host all the time
Lo Jacobs: I would hope to have more regular meetings
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Well that is what gave me the idea
Lo Jacobs: At least as each new batch of Mentors join up
ReallyRick Metropolitan: At the community roundtable Jeska said "self-organize" so I did.
Lo Jacobs: Just to keep everyone up to date
Lo Jacobs: Yeah
Shaun Altman: hi
Nathan Stewart: hi ya
annie Lily: hi shaun
The Sojourner: Hi Shaun!
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Did everyone get a chance to read the forum post?
The Sojourner: no
Lo Jacobs: I have read it
Ginny Gremlin: no
ReallyRick Metropolitan: /204/b0/69702/1.html
Rizpah Galatea: thanks Rick
Phoenix Byrd: no
Renee Riva: no...
Helen Dayton: hi all
Shaun Altman: hey Jauani
Renee Riva: hello
ReallyRick Metropolitan: HeY Wu
Jauani Wu: hi
Katt Kongo: Hiya Jauani
Ginny Gremlin: give us a quick fill-in please Rick
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Hey SuperBling Fox
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Sure Ginny
ReallyRick Metropolitan: To quote Jeska Linden from the recent Community Roundtable Meeting she said, "Also, I'd love to see Mentors do more self-organizing - with an ever growing group, it becomes ever harder for LL to 'manage'."
ReallyRick Metropolitan: So I thought why not take the initive and self-organize! A great way to do this would be to have a "self-organized" Mentor meeting. Here is what I had in mind...
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Please reply to this thread with any topics you would like to see discussed. Some examples:
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Trying to get an up to date version of some type of "New Resident Welcome Pack" that we can hand out.
The Sojourner: I will sit next to you Loki.. I cant see everyone from there
ReallyRick Metropolitan: When is it okay to use the Mentor Group IM? Hopefully reaching some consensus on what are good reasons to send out a message.
ReallyRick Metropolitan: # Working in cooperation with SL Greeters to give the new resident the best possible welcome experience. (i.e., "handing off" a new resident to a Greeter for a tour, shopping spree etc., when we are busy or logging out.)
ReallyRick Metropolitan: From Jeska Linden:
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I'll be at the meeting as well - I'd like to discuss ways to help you self-organize, since there are so many more of you than there are of me. Also, I'd like to talk about the new "Help Island" idea that we are working on at LL and get your feedback on
ReallyRick Metropolitan: From Dante Mars
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I would like to discuss the role of a mentor. What is expected of us? It seems to be that the other helping groups have clear defined roles. The greeters are there to show a spot or two. The Live Help is there for questions. The Instructors and Educators
Ginny Gremlin: Help Island intrigues me
ReallyRick Metropolitan: teach on a subject. Are mentors the catch-all of helpers? What is our role envisioned as, and what are we actually doing?
Lo Jacobs: Yeah it's still in development Ginny
ReallyRick Metropolitan: - The End -
Renee Riva: the end??
Renee Riva: giggle
Lo Jacobs: Of the post
annie Lily: lol'
Lo Jacobs: lol
Helen Dayton: lol
Erika Thereian: whew
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Hehe yeah of the thread
ReallyRick Metropolitan: There was Lo's "Cool Beans" too
Lo Jacobs: Yeah
Lo Jacobs: That was the important bit
The Sojourner: I am curious about help island.. I know it is in production, but are only a few people involved?
annie Lily: hi weedy
The Sojourner: hi Weedy!
Weedy Herbst: Hiyall
Loki Pico: I usually see mentor as an extended greeter. I frequently meet people that I offer myself too. they will question me, visit, etc for a couple of weeks usually, til they find there feet.
Ginny Gremlin: hi Weedy
Renee Riva: well, i'm a greeter also as alot r, and really i don't know where one stops and the other begins
Loki Pico: I have many that still IM me for help
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Exactly Renee
Phoenix Byrd: noobs visit me for 5 mins, then run away
The Sojourner: Loki.. to me it iall one big thing, too
Ginny Gremlin: I find myself having to teach them how to dress
Lo Jacobs: Heh
Ginny Gremlin: the how to's seem very important
Ginny Gremlin: and I keep tons of clothes
The Sojourner: many of the new people I greet at the welcome areas are still IMing me months later with questions
Ginny Gremlin: yes me too
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Okay so maybe we might want to take each point that was raised first then bring up what you guys wnat
Lo Jacobs: How can we define being a Mentor? What is too little, or what is too much?
annie Lily: it almost seems llike the how to videos shouldnt be optional...should be integrated into the sign up process
ReallyRick Metropolitan: #1 Trying to get an up to date version of some type of "New Resident Welcome Pack" that we can hand out.
Ginny Gremlin: yes
Ginny Gremlin: good idea
Ginny Gremlin: consistency
Renee Riva: so do i... i give them out.. mens clothing is a different thing.. i wish we could get a designer to donate sonme t-shirts, pants ect to give to guys
Lo Jacobs: I have the NCI Welcome Pack the everyone is welcome to ... but I agree that we should have some sort of "Mentor" pack
Lo Jacobs: The NCI Welcome Pack is a good foundation
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Rennee one has
Ginny Gremlin: I had 6 boxes of designer clothes given to me
Ginny Gremlin: unfortunately
Lo Jacobs: They have great notecards and landmarks.
Erika Thereian: A male and female version?
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I have a Landmark for a Designer that has free outfits for men and women
Helen Dayton: oh yes, the number of times i've been asked for mens clothes.....
Ginny Gremlin: they are a one time only give away
Ginny Gremlin: 3 boxes are gone already
Renee Riva: yes
Katt Kongo: Phoenix and I are working on a Newcomers' Guide that will be in a PDF format
Ginny Gremlin: I have mens clothes
Ginny Gremlin: and I'll give anybody that needs them copies
Rizpah Galatea: I have a small folder of a couple of men's clothing items I can share
Helen Dayton: great, would be useful Ginny
Renee Riva: oh ty
Ginny Gremlin: and i was recently given 2 folders of "t" shirts
Lo Jacobs: Hey Jeska
Erika Thereian: hi Jeska
Weedy Herbst: Hi Jeska
Nathan Stewart: hi ya jeska
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I looked at the NCI Welcome Pack and it seemed a bit outdated like from 2003
Helen Dayton: hi Jeska
annie Lily: hiya jeska
Erika Thereian: Yeah is old schoo;
Jeska Linden: hey everyone
Loki Pico: yeah, I was noticing a lot of outdated help cards
Shaun Altman: heya jeska
Jeska Linden: drat
Erika Thereian: Different needs now I think
Renee Riva: ?
Katt Kongo: that's why we are trying to hurry up and get a Newcomers' Guide online
Katt Kongo: easy to read, easy to understand
ReallyRick Metropolitan: What is the time frame for that to be completed?
Katt Kongo: with pictures demonstrating
Katt Kongo: within two weeks
Lo Jacobs: Excellent
Lo Jacobs: Yay!
Jeska Linden: Sorry if i missed it - is that a web page or in-world
Jeska Linden: ?
Lo Jacobs: It's a .pdf file
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Has everyone seen the Tutorial videos in Bonifacio?
Jeska Linden: Excellent.
Ginny Gremlin gave you Ginny's Help for Newbies folder 2 how to.
The Sojourner: no
Lo Jacobs: I haven't Rick
Erika Thereian: Not yet heard about em
Jeska Linden: Yup, they're great
Katt Kongo: it will be on a website, but accessible via an object in-world
Ginny Gremlin: that is a copy of my "how to" folder
Katt Kongo: like the paper is
Renee Riva: well, no one .. unless they are in really need goes to web to read.. but if we could hand it out.. say a brief outline and then say they can go to web site.....
ReallyRick Metropolitan: They are on: How to Build How to Locate an Event How to Buy Clothes and Wear them in Second Life How to Create a Gesture How to Stream Music and Videos into Second Life
Erika Thereian: In welcome pack we could put landmarks to places like that on a notecard
ReallyRick Metropolitan: /203/1a/63269/1.html
The Sojourner: I am also finishing my MightyPrim tutorial
Ginny Gremlin: I have a landmark folder started
Erika Thereian: The demo vdieo places
Ginny Gremlin: with Yadni's and stillmans
Ginny Gremlin: the Shelter
Ginny Gremlin: NCI
Ginny Gremlin: and the Library
Erika Thereian: poor Soj
Erika Thereian: Yes
The Sojourner: lol
Phoenix Psaltery: well, it's not possible at present to have the kind of high resolution document in-world that it needs to be , which is why it will be accessible vis the web
Erika Thereian: Easier to edit to
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Great so once that is out you'll make a big announcement?
Katt Kongo: yes, it can be updated w/e a version changes something in the guide
Katt Kongo: yes
ReallyRick Metropolitan: So feel free to pass around Helpful Notecards you have or LM's. D
ReallyRick Metropolitan: #2 When is it okay to use the Mentor Group IM? Hopefully reaching some consensus on what are good reasons to send out a message.
Phoenix Psaltery: as Mentors, you bunch are one of the best resources for what should be included... we would love your input as to things that you think need to be in the Guide
Lo Jacobs: Reasons: when you need help at a WA.
Lo Jacobs: Or when there's a meeting like this
Weedy Herbst: mentor announcements
Erika Thereian: Define help
Katt Kongo: when you need help in mentoring
Lo Jacobs: Help as in lots of newbies, one of you.
Lo Jacobs: NOT "How do I put a URL on my land?"
Erika Thereian: nods
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Right like when Waterhead is being used as well
Lo Jacobs: NOT "I'm having a Show and Tell, ask me for a TP"
The Sojourner: I would like for people not to chime in unless it is with information
Weedy Herbst: yes, most Q's are more suited to Live Help
ReallyRick Metropolitan: But to play Devil's Advocate why isnt it okay for URL on land though?
ReallyRick Metropolitan: ah ok
Lo Jacobs: There are so many Mentors online at a given time
Lo Jacobs: That if someone asks a question
Lo Jacobs: It usually gets answered fast.
Lo Jacobs: Then you have 50,000 people leaving the session.
Weedy Herbst: Live Help, is more suited for questions
Erika Thereian: I would think so
Lo Jacobs: So ... I'd say, only for things like, the WA needs some more Mentors around please. Or "We're having a Mentor meeting." Not to comment about newbies or something like that
Lo Jacobs: I remember one Mentor IM'd us saying "My newbie won't talk to me!"
Weedy Herbst: nod Lo
Lo Jacobs: NOT the right use for it.
Erika Thereian: Not a battle call because someone is being abuse in WA
Lo Jacobs: Yeah
Lo Jacobs: You ask the Lindens to help you out or file an abuse report for that.
ReallyRick Metropolitan: What about something like the $1 Skins - We sorta got taken to task for that but isnt that something helpful to new residents?
Katt Kongo: what if I am having a hard time mentoring a newbie? is it acceptable to ask in group in for some direction from the more experienced mentors?
Erika Thereian: I was really disappointed a few days ago
Katt Kongo: im*
Lo Jacobs: The $1 skins was a really rare occurance and it helped Sezmra sell like $2k skins -- I didn't really see anything wrong with that one
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Maybe looking at the list and IMing a Mentor individually Katt?
Katt Kongo: ok
Lo Jacobs: I doubt more people would have $1 skin sales
Erika Thereian: Katt I would get to know older ones and IM them direct if you can
Lo Jacobs: Too often anyway
Katt Kongo: ok
Katt Kongo: any volunteers?
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I agree Lo but Adam Linden said that it was an improper use of the channel, Jeska any thoughts?
Lo Jacobs: Anyway, it helped more people than it hurt, that skin announcement
Jeska Linden: What if we created another group - for more social discussion?
The Sojourner: I have run out of group slots
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Sure if you want to bump up the # of groups we can have Jeska.
Jeska Linden: Then those who wanted to join it could and those that didn't want to hear that sort of discussion wouldn't have to hear them.
Jeska Linden: lol
Helen Dayton: me too lol....
Katt Kongo: "Mentors for Mentors"
Jeska Linden: We're working on Groups
Lo Jacobs: Heheh
Jeska Linden:
The Sojourner: Is the Events Work Group defunct now?
Jeska Linden: Just trying to think of a way to allow discussion for those that want help.
ReallyRick Metropolitan: It seems the Mentor Forum is almost non-exsistant
Katt Kongo: I like the idea and would willingly sacrifice one of my other groups to be in it
Lo Jacobs: Yeah I don't really use the Mentor forums
Lo Jacobs: Useful for announcements though
Weedy Herbst: I look at them
Nathan Stewart: how about use the im for askin about teaching and help where your out of your league so to speak, as the lindens often im the group asking for help, but not use the im for questions regarding the service
Jeska Linden: So I hear you all asking that the Mentor IM channel should only be used by Lindens for announcments, ie: there's a meeting, there are tons of new residents in the welcome area, come help, etc?
Erika Thereian: nod
ReallyRick Metropolitan nods
Jeska Linden: Also, we should encourage the Mentors use the Forums for sharing more long-term ideas.
Jeska Linden:
Weedy Herbst: needing more Mentors seems like a reasonable announcement
Lo Jacobs: I suppose, though can't expect the Lindens to IM us every time there's a shortage of Mentors in the WA
Rizpah Galatea: yes -- and skip the "normal pleasantries of typical face toface communications such as "hello" this or that....
Jeska Linden: Lo - no, becuase we don't often monitor that type of thing, but that does lead into what I wanted to talk about -
Jeska Linden: if i may?
Ginny Gremlin: I was at Waterhead just before coming here
Ginny Gremlin: it was empty
ReallyRick Metropolitan hands the conch to Jeska

Jeska Linden: thanks Rick
Katt Kongo waits for Jeska to share
Jeska Linden: You may have all heard some 'rumblings' about the "Help Island" project that we're working on
The Sojourner:
Weedy Herbst:
Nathan Stewart: no
Renee Riva: ya
Ginny Gremlin: yahoo!
Lo Jacobs: Hehe
Jeska Linden: The idea is that, we believe the best way to help new Residents is to get them into the hands of our trusted 'helpers' - mentors, greeters, etc as soon as possible.
Weedy Herbst nods
Jeska Linden: Also, from my work with the Greeter program, I noticed that most of the first 10-15 minutes spent in-world post orientation island is spent tweaking things, learning how to move//etc
Jeska Linden: (at least thaty's that they told me they were doing!)
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Yep
Erika Thereian: nods
Archibald Loveless: what about a "buddy" system, have newbies follow mentors for a day?
Lo Jacobs: Yeah
Katt Kongo: lol
Weedy Herbst: yup
Ginny Gremlin: follow me and do what?
Erika Thereian: Not enough Mentors
Katt Kongo: yikes
Ginny Gremlin: wait around for newbies?
Jeska Linden: Therefore, we thought it might be helpful for new Residents to have a place post-orientation island, where mentors and other volunteers could spend more time with residents before they come to the main land.
The Sojourner: Im with you ginnh
The Sojourner: they would be bored
Archibald Loveless: just introduce them to new things
Lo Jacobs: I like helping newbies but I don't relish the thought of a newbie following me around all day.
Katt Kongo: I love the idea, Jeska
Jeska Linden: Hence the "Help Island" idea. (which is not the name!)
Archibald Loveless: well an hour or so then
Lo Jacobs: I love the idea Jeska
Archibald Loveless: ahhh
Jeska Linden: Basically the way it will work is that the orientation islands would be connected to another island, where only new residents and volunteers (and Lindens) would be allowed
Erika Thereian: Sounds awesome
ReallyRick Metropolitan whispers NOthing wrong with Help Island as a name.
Ginny Gremlin: I love the idea Jeska
Jeska Linden: It would have 'next level' tutorials, videos and a place wher eresidents could sign up and meet a greeter (hence removing some of the coordination issues the greeters were having)
The Sojourner: Jeska.. will there be an area closer to set down wehre you can rez objects? B/c going over to the building area is too far to show someone something
Jeska Linden: The best part is that the set up will also allow volunteers to go 'help' people on orientation island if they appear to be having trouble.
Jeska Linden: Yes, there will be places to build, etc.
Lo Jacobs: Oh great idea Sojourner
Jeska Linden: My hope is that this Help Island space will be used as a sort of way-point for those residents who want to learn more before hitting hte main land
The Sojourner:
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Ah so new residents wont be able to go back once they leave
Jeska Linden: It could allow for further apperance tweaking - posisbly freebies from merchants so that new residents don't feel "odd" in their template outfits
Erika Thereian: Makes perfect sense
Helen Dayton: yes
Weedy Herbst: yup
Jeska Linden: No, it will be limited to new residents and volunteers, but I'm hoping to repeat the content (tutorials, etc) on the main grid
Lo Jacobs: Have a freebie store set up too for clothes etc?
Jeska Linden: Ok, I might've missed some questions while I was typing...and I'm very interested in yrou feedback
The Sojourner: I havent been finding many people showing up in the welcome area in their template outfits
Nathan Stewart: i like the ideas of freebies
Erika Thereian: Might we have a demo store set up?
Archibald Loveless: sounds like a good idea, cant have too much help in here
The Sojourner: makes it hard to know who is who
Jeska Linden: Lo - that's what I'm thinking, a place to pick up some freebies - not tooo much, but enough to get started.
Erika Thereian: So they can learn how to buy and such?
Weedy Herbst: just a few items
Lo Jacobs: Yae
Ginny Gremlin: I have tons of freebie stuff
Lo Jacobs: *Yar
Jeska Linden: Erika - that's a good idea as well
Weedy Herbst: there is something to be said by "outfitting" personally
Jeska Linden: If you have anything you wouldn't mind giving away for free, drop me a note
Lo Jacobs: And Get Stuff out of Boxes
Renee Riva: well i .. alot of the times bring a newbe to where i am.. the chatter is confusing to alot of newbes... could that still happen?
Katt Kongo: I think it's a great idea... coming in to such a complex worl like SL can be very scary... and the WA doesn't alleviate that at all
Lo Jacobs: And you bump into stuff all the time
Ginny Gremlin: brb
Lo Jacobs: And it's hard to sit down
annie Lily: is it correct once they leave there they cant return?
Phoenix Byrd: I'm working on a hud attachment ... benn thinking bout giving it out to noobies free
Jeska Linden: Renee - yes, of course - the Greeter portion of the island willa llow for that sort of "hey you want to go take an air balloon trip?"
Erika Thereian: Might have higher retention of new ppl also
Jeska Linden: We will also have rotating content -
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Correct Annie
Jeska Linden: ie: maybe a model house one week and a mocked up store the next
Renee Riva: good
Weedy Herbst: will we be allowed scripts and builds Jeska?
Jeska Linden: To help people learn skills.
Jeska Linden: Yes, there will be areas where scripting/building will be allowed.
Weedy Herbst: cool!
Lo Jacobs: Cool beans
Jeska Linden: One thing that I need to remind everyone is that the "mess up once and you're out rule" will be in effect with all volunteers on help Island.
Katt Kongo: good!!
Helen Dayton:
Lo Jacobs: Nice
Weedy Herbst: excellent
Jeska Linden: That means if anyone is found to be abusing the setup, they will be immediately removed from the group. This should prevent any sort of griefing that could occur
Jeska Linden: Plus LL will be keeping a close eye on it, especially at the outset.
Nathan Stewart: good
annie Lily: good
Erika Thereian: Nods
Helen Dayton: great
The Sojourner: I like the old setup for the welcome center than the new one. It allows a mentor to talk to incoming people as they come in without a group setting... will the help center have the telehubs spread apart?
Erika Thereian: Well some one could be neglected then :/
Nathan Stewart: yea the new welcome area is very compact
The Sojourner: they could still have a central greeting area
Jeska Linden: Well the help island set up should also relieve some of the overload in the WA - since people will be able to go other places with their volunteers
The Sojourner: but if you IM a newbie.. you look like you are a stone wall
The Sojourner: but if you chat.. it is confusing
Lo Jacobs: Heh
Lo Jacobs: Well
Renee Riva: one more question, as a mentor, teacher and greeter.. can i sort of work using all three skills with a newbe?? or shoukld i turn them over to soneone else?
Lo Jacobs: In Waterhead the scene is much more peaceful
Lo Jacobs: For some reason we have newbies more receptive to our help
Jeska Linden: Renee - that would be up to you.
Lo Jacobs: Mostly because there isn't a lot of other crap going on
Erika Thereian: Well they are not distracted
Lo Jacobs: Yeah
Renee Riva: k
Lo Jacobs: So I figure the Help Island'll be like that too
Katt Kongo: maybe bc Waterhead is not as confusing as the WA is
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Maybe LL should just make Waterhead the new Welcome Point and not tell anyone.
Lo Jacobs: Heh
annie Lily: lol'
Nathan Stewart: how will traffic be managed, im assuming people will be wanting to stay on the help island longer so wont people kinda backup as they pass through?
Erika Thereian: They'd know yesterday lol
Jeska Linden: Also, remember not every new Resident will want help
Jeska Linden: Some want to explore on their own.
Lo Jacobs: That's the best kinda newbie
Weedy Herbst: They usually say so
Erika Thereian: So we can't hold em hostage and make em learn? Drat.
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Good point Nathan, but with 1.7 we can have 106 avies in a sim so shouldnt be a problem.
Helen Dayton: lol
Nathan Stewart: 107 rick lol
Jeska Linden: Nathan, we'll be watching the number of people on the island and will be encouraging greeters and mentors too - to take new residents to other places for more help as well.
Lo Jacobs: Cool beans
Erika Thereian: I will be good to havs a 'nutreal' place though
Lo Jacobs: Will newbies be able to return to the Help Island after they leave?
ReallyRick Metropolitan: That was all teh points brought up in the Forum. IF anyone else has another topic
Erika Thereian: no she said
Erika Thereian: I have one?
Jeska Linden: No, but the content will be availble in other places - this brings up a good point though, because Help Island will not replace the welcome area in that new residents will still need help there
Lo Jacobs: Sorry I must have missed that
Erika Thereian: Goes back to earlier and handling griefers in th WA's
Jeska Linden: So we'll still need mentors in other spaces in -world.
Erika Thereian: A call went out about someone griefing ppl there.
Nathan Stewart: i think that content should be moved from the other corner of dore more tot he central area so people know where it is
Erika Thereian: A bunch of mentors showed up which is kinda good
Erika Thereian: but then they got it a shouting match persay
Erika Thereian: and a mentor started cursing at him
Erika Thereian: not good
Lo Jacobs: Yeesh
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Nothing says you cant AR a Mentor
Erika Thereian: We look as bad as the griefers when that happens
The Sojourner: jAR?
Erika Thereian: True
The Sojourner: AR?
Helen Dayton: Abuse Report#
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Sorry Abuse Report
Erika Thereian: Abuse Report
The Sojourner: oh.. thanks
Lo Jacobs: We're such know-it-alls
Helen Dayton: lol
Erika Thereian: Just concerned me was all :/
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Thanks Erika.
Erika Thereian: Not out to make drama, but....
Jeska Linden: Yes, you can abus report anyone in-world.
Erika Thereian nods
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I have Ar'ed Jeska several times
Jeska Linden: If you believe them to be breaking the Community Standards.
Lo Jacobs: lol
Jeska Linden sticks her tongue out at Rick
Ginny Gremlin: back
The Sojourner: Jeska.. when you said that we cant mess up... what if a griefer decides to complain aobut the mentor.. what happens then?
Erika Thereian: Only a cpl?
Phoenix Psaltery AR's Jeska for the tongue stickout
Ginny Gremlin: sorry, rl stuff interfering
Luth Brodie: but mentors really should be held up to higher standards
Erika Thereian: We you can appeal I would guess?
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I agree and I think we are Luth
Jeska Linden: We will investigate all Abuse reports and take them very seriously.
Erika Thereian: Yes well we represent their first contact a lot of times.
annie Lily: any idea when help island will be ready?
Jeska Linden: annie - no time frama at the moment, but it is being worked on currently as a somewhat high priority
annie Lily: sweeet
annie Lily: : D
Erika Thereian: Agreed

Erika Thereian: Another touchy subject if I may?
ReallyRick Metropolitan: My preferance Help Island first - lag and missing textures and lost inventory second.
Erika Thereian: Since I have Jeska here
Lo Jacobs: Go ahead Erika
Nathan Stewart: poor jeska
Erika Thereian: Some other groups acting as greeter /mentors
Jeska Linden: hmm
Ginny Gremlin: its her fault for being a Linden
Jeska Linden: Scaling first, Help Island second.
Jeska Linden:
Erika Thereian: Using terms such as scouts
Lo Jacobs: The NCI?
Erika Thereian: and was another...
Erika Thereian: Not sure Lo
Phoenix Psaltery: Helpful SL Scouts from the teen grid?
Lo Jacobs: Yeah, it's the NCI
Lo Jacobs: They call members scouts
Jeska Linden: I don't believe there are any rules against being helpful...
Lo Jacobs: I'm an Officer
Lo Jacobs: I don't know what my title is ._.
Jeska Linden: Unless these groups are breaking the Community standards, it sounds like a good thing to me
Erika Thereian: But there were a few there and the shied off when mentors showed dunno
Lo Jacobs: So hang on, what's the issue?
Erika Thereian: Just seems weird dunno
ReallyRick Metropolitan: The issue is it okay to wear white after Labor Day even in a virtual world Lo.
Jeska Linden: hmm white shoes?
Erika Thereian: Some how misrepresenting
Lo Jacobs: As long as they dont' seem to be breaking any rules .... or actively griefing newbies ....
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Well I think the notecard in teh WA helps Erika
Jeska Linden: I think that the more people we have helping other residents the better.
Lo Jacobs: I don't see how it would be an issue ....
ReallyRick Metropolitan: That says look for Mentors Greeters Live Help
ReallyRick Metropolitan: But I can see why some would be confused
Lo Jacobs: Yeah I could see that too Rick
Lo Jacobs: However, help's help, ya know?
Weedy Herbst: Can't discourage those who wish to help
Erika Thereian: hun
Lo Jacobs: When you're a newbie you don't care too much what the title is
Jeska Linden: There are 'official' groups which are referred to on the website, in-world, etc -- but that doesn't mean that other residents who want to help can't do so as well. Might be harder to locate
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Right and they represent SL as much as we do technically
Ginny Gremlin: the NCI have set up a sandbox for new people
Katt Kongo: the one person I met from that group was VERY good at mentoring and has her application in to be an official one
Lo Jacobs: Brace is wonderful
Erika Thereian: K
Lo Jacobs: I'm a member too Katt
Katt Kongo: )
Ginny Gremlin: there are some very good potential mentors in the group
Ginny Gremlin: but don't yet qualify for mentoring yet
Jeska Linden: And I have no problem with you recruiting them for Mentors
Katt Kongo: right
Erika Thereian: afk IM helping newbie
Lo Jacobs: Hee
Archibald Loveless: great ideas , dang rl calls see you all soon TC
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Okay so we got Katt and Phoenix working on a Helper Guide
ReallyRick Metropolitan: We have discussed what the Group IM is acceptable
Renee Riva: ty
Lo Jacobs: I think we should have meetings after each new batch of Mentors.
ReallyRick Metropolitan: We can Lo
Weedy Herbst: good plan Lo
Jeska Linden: Yes!
Lo Jacobs: Would it be possible for you to notify us when that is Jeska?
Jeska Linden: One more thing I wanted to mention to you all...
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Nothign says we cant "self-organise" like today
Ginny Gremlin: are you going to send a notecard around for the mentors who couldn't make the meeting?
Jeska Linden: As the group gets larger, I'm going to need all of your help in figuring out the new way to grow the Mentors
Jeska Linden: This will include more "self-organized" meetings like this...
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I will keep a log and there is a meeting at 6pm for those at work or who were unable to attend
The Sojourner: oooooo growing mentors
Jeska Linden: and may also involve smaller "teams" --- but I'm getting ahead of myself.
Weedy Herbst: posting to RR?
Katt Kongo: I think the new members, like me, needs more direction in HOW to mentor
ReallyRick Metropolitan: If no one objects I can post it in the Mentor Thread
Jeska Linden: I just wanted to thank all of you for your ongoing help, especially in our quick growth periods where there are tons of new residents
Ginny Gremlin: new people are such fun
Jeska Linden: So THANK YOu for all your help!
Ginny Gremlin: I love mentoring
Lo Jacobs: Yayyy
Erika Thereian: I aplogise if I sounded uppity :/
Katt Kongo: just bc someone has the desire to help doesn't mean they know how to mentor
Jeska Linden: One thing I'm interested in, is maybe a "How to Be a Mentor" class?
Lo Jacobs: That would be great
Ginny Gremlin: yes
Katt Kongo: I agree
Ginny Gremlin: that would help a great deal
Katt Kongo: I would attend
Weedy Herbst: good plan
Helen Dayton: yeah
Ginny Gremlin: I'd go
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I think it is important as Mentors to stay impartial
Weedy Herbst: yes
Renee Riva: it would be a great help on all levels
ReallyRick Metropolitan: If someone asks Where Can I Get Good Womens Clothes
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Sure you might want to direct them to your store if you have one or that of your friends
Jeska Linden: Would anyone be interested in helping with something like that? The How to be a Mentor Class? It seems like it might make more sense coming from the group, instead of LL
Ginny Gremlin: where I get stuck is on the sex issues
Phoenix Psaltery: Do you get continuing education credits?
Erika Thereian: Me to, that's why I send em to Rick's to make money
ReallyRick Metropolitan: But give them as many options as possible
Weedy Herbst: instruct them on the "find".options
Erika Thereian:
Ginny Gremlin: it doesn't happen too often, but it does happen
The Sojourner: I just send them to Find and explain how to use it
Renee Riva: yes i would
Ginny Gremlin: hehe
Lo Jacobs: I could hold a class
Erika Thereian: Sure
Ginny Gremlin: thats a good idea
Jeska Linden: No, but it might qualify for Instrucor "bonus" payment
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Pose Ball Pay?
Ginny Gremlin: hahaha
Phoenix Psaltery: SL Sex Ed 101?
Lo Jacobs: lol
Phoenix Psaltery: Hazardous duty pay?
Helen Dayton: lol...
Katt Kongo: LOL
Ginny Gremlin: I'm killing myself laughing here
Erika Thereian: When to prim and when to not...
Phoenix Psaltery: Sex ball etiquette
ReallyRick Metropolitan: So if people want to help with a How To Mentor Class they should contact you Jeska?
Helen Dayton: hehe
Jeska Linden: Oh, yes, i wanted to ask any class-minded mentors if they wanted to teach classes as well - previously mentors were more involved in the more -instructory side of volunteers as well....
The Sojourner: yeah.. never quite sure what to do when someone comes in saying.. I want to be a prostitute.. how do I do that?
Jeska Linden: Rick - yes please - send me an im/email/etc
Ginny Gremlin: hey
Ginny Gremlin: I had one
Lo Jacobs: Ok
Weedy Herbst: ok
Jeska Linden: Ginny
Ginny Gremlin: and I gave her a copy
The Sojourner: I want to teach
Ginny Gremlin: of the "how to earn money"
Katt Kongo: that brings a good point actually.. I had intended the Newcomers' Guide to be pg, but they are a lot of newbies who want to learn about the more mature issues
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I think Jeska mentioned whatever you are comfortable with
Katt Kongo: up*
The Sojourner: and am looking for other teachers to populate my stage and sandbox
Erika Thereian: Reminds self to start sound and gestures classes again doh
Jeska Linden: Rick - yes, always stick to what is in your comfort zone, some volunteers might be more comfortable describing how to do more mature SL activities, others might just point new residents to "find" and tell them to search on "xxx"
Phoenix Psaltery: well, it can be pg without omitting those things... there is a way to explain them in a non-explicit fashion.
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Maybe there would be a way to indicate G and M Mentors, Greeters?
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I mean PG
Jeska Linden: Perhaps in the future Rick
Lo Jacobs: I don't see why it's necessary
Lo Jacobs: Designating PG and M mentors
Phoenix Psaltery: If your Mentor is in a Disney avatar, don't ask them sex related questions.
Weedy Herbst: ask around
Katt Kongo: true.... or maybe we can do a special section that ppl can skip over if they don't want to see that
Jeska Linden: one thing I'd love to see is a volunteer group broken out by interest
Jeska Linden: /skills
Jeska Linden can dream can't she?
Lo Jacobs: Hahah
Katt Kongo: lol
Lo Jacobs: Nice idea
Erika Thereian:
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Make sure you ask for CC verification to see the Mature Helper Guide Katt.
Phoenix Psaltery: Sounds like a great idea, Jeska
Ginny Gremlin: but do new people need indepth skills?
Weedy Herbst: they dont
Katt Kongo sings, "Can't script, can't build, what can she do..?"
Phoenix Psaltery: Maybe you should teah "How to avoid creepy stalkers 101," Jeska
Lo Jacobs: Maybe down the line ... right? I've spoken to a lot of newbies who wanted to learn to script, but I had nothing to tell them ...
Katt Kongo: Phoenix
Lo Jacobs: But the ones who wanted to learn about clothing design or having your own store
Lo Jacobs: I could tell them quite a bit
Ginny Gremlin: I keep how to script 1 2 and 3 and a box of free scripts
The Sojourner: many times I will take groups of newbies over to the building area and give quickie building and texturing classes
Phoenix Psaltery: Yes, Katt?
Ginny Gremlin: and the same with building
Erika Thereian: Some one might text chat abbreviation dictionary.
Jeska Linden: Lo - don't forget to recommend they check for classes in Find -- there are usually scripting classes
Renee Riva: well i think everyone should put down what they could/can do and send it around
Renee Riva: it would help us
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Or post it in the forums
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Start a Area of Expertise thread
Lo Jacobs: I always tell them to check for classes, but there are rarely any
Katt Kongo: I can... umm... correct typos..??
ReallyRick Metropolitan: With subfolders
Weedy Herbst: good plann RR
ReallyRick Metropolitan: so you can click on SCRIPT thread in the Area of Expertice and find someone
Phoenix Psaltery: I'd share some of your more interesting skills, Katt, but I don't think these good people want the details of our married life.
Helen Dayton: lol
Jeska Linden: Mentors Dating Service?
Lo Jacobs: Hahaha
Erika Thereian: ack
Ginny Gremlin: argh!
Weedy Herbst: eep
Jeska Linden: i was kidding
Helen Dayton: yeah....
Erika Thereian: That was a baaaaaad one lol
ReallyRick Metropolitan: I will start that thread today and ask for people to post what they are good at and willing to help with answer questions about etc
Nathan Stewart: haha
Lo Jacobs: Thanks Rick
annie Lily: rofl we outta set up some help like speed dating..have them sit at a table for 4 minutes then pass them around
annie Lily: lol'
Jeska Linden is still waiting for speed dating to hit sl
Lo Jacobs: It HAS
Ginny Gremlin: speed dating?
Lo Jacobs: Doesn't ANYONE check the events anymore?
annie Lily: yea its here
ReallyRick Metropolitan: Does anyone object to this log being posted in the Mentor Forum
annie Lily: lol'
Nathan Stewart: nope
Erika Thereian: nope RR
Ginny Gremlin: nope
Lo Jacobs: Go ahead Rick
Weedy Herbst: np
Jeska Linden: 'Go head

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