January Mentor Meeting - Chat Log

January AM Monthly Meeting Notes - Part One


Jeska Linden: First order of business - Help Island :)
Jeska Linden: So far, we've had some good data come back about usage, but we're still not seeing enough new Residents choose to go to Help Island.
Phoenix Psaltery: What can be done to encourage them?
Tateru Nino: The absolute numbers have improved in the last three weeks.
Misty Rhodes: are they given a choice Jeska?
Trimming Hedges suggests the cattle prod approach.
Jeska Linden: It seems like there have been a pretty steady supply of Mentors on Help Island and for that I commend you all !: )
Misty Rhodes: Maybe HI should be mandatory landing spot
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Misty
Alisa Honey: i live in the back corner
Trimming Hedges: you should just remove the teleport to the mainland off the OI's
Blueman Steele holds sign "Help Island -- get yer freebies"
Jeska Linden: We are researching having HI be mandatory, but that will have to wait until we have the OI redesign complete
Sean Gorham agrees.
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees with trimming
Phoenix Psaltery agrees with Gwyn
Garnet Psaltery: Stack the OIs
Jeska Linden: Has anyone had good luck with going over tot he exit when you see clumps of green dots about to get there?
Sarg Bjornson: Yeah
Garnet Psaltery: a bit
Misty Rhodes: i know the ones i have greeted come back and spend at least a day with me asking questions
Lady Belvedere: is HI open to all?
Lady Belvedere: or just newbies
Garnet Psaltery: but some think you're a bot
Gwyneth Llewelyn usually stays away from the OIs
The Sojourner: speaking of freebies.. there are some in the stacks that you can not obtain
Sarg Bjornson: Some people don't answer back
Trimming Hedges: personally, I don't bug people on the OIs at all, I wait for them to come to HI.... many of them are conentrating and I hate to interrupt them
Jeska Linden: Help Island is attached to the Orientation Island nand is part of the orientation experience - it can not be returned to
Tateru Nino tries sometimes, but I'm usually ignored there as a bot.
Garnet Psaltery: I only fly over OIs top look for people in trouble and see progress
Garnet Psaltery: but I do sometimes wait at the exit
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed, same here, Garnet.
Sarg Bjornson: Yeah, me too
Jeska Linden: *nods*
Trimming Hedges: that'd be easier if there was only one exit :)
Lady Belvedere: very well thank you
Phoenix Psaltery: Perhaps we need a big sign that explains that the people you see here with (these titles) are resis who are here to help
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Alisa Honey: i wanna put a prim on all tps to wa on the ois loll
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Very true, Trimming...
Trimming Hedges: that would be good too, phoenix
Jeska Linden: We could put another sign up, but I'm pretty convinced people don't read much lol
Misty Rhodes: that is true
Tateru Nino agrees with Jeska.
Sarg Bjornson: Yeah hehe. I'd just remove the OI teleports
Garnet Psaltery: Just don't give them the option
Jeska Linden: We could try another sign at the exit, see if it helps ?
Misty Rhodes: maybe better on the signup to sl page
Phoenix Psaltery: assuming the sign rezzes by the time they get ready to go to the WA :)
Trimming Hedges: yeah those funny letter things are hard. :)
Tateru Nino: They don't see the sign for HI, mostly, as it's to one side.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well... sometimes, if no Mentors are around, newbies gather in front of the tutorials by Cid
Blueman Steele: the issue is that clicking one gives a clicky person an accidental transport to the wA
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'd say, perhaps only 1 in 3, or 1 in 4, though
Jeska Linden: Has anyone seen anyone watching the videos at all?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: No
Garnet Psaltery: no
Orchid Glitterbuck: No
Trimming Hedges: maybe the parrot could tell people to go to help island? or another parrot?
Alisa Honey: nope
Blueman Steele: clicking on the HI sign does nothing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nor listening to the Linden Radio :)
Sarg Bjornson: It is obvious that some people get to the WA without wanting to go there
Danyla Zapata: i saw one
Tateru Nino: Anbd newbies wander HI looking for an exit. Often for hours. I have been asked 'how do I leave' by newbies standing right next to an exit sign.
Jeska Linden: We've got a rotating hand with information abuot Help Island once they get closer (thanks to Tateru!)
Sean Gorham: yes, more than once i've handed people a landmark, only to have them immediately click Teleport! now i always say "but don't teleport away yet".
Trimming Hedges: put a collision detect prim up, and have some critter there tell people to go to HI for more help
Alisa Honey: linden radio stinks loll
Phoenix Psaltery: and once they leave HI, they can't ever go back, right?
Sean Gorham: right phoenix.
Jeska Linden: Right, it's just like the OIS, you can't go back.
Blueman Steele: remove teh skip all together...... learned av alts can fly to the center fo HI
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah, excellent suggestion, Trimming...
Phoenix Psaltery: what if we made it so that they could return if they are less than xx days old?
Trimming Hedges: they'd be more likely to see it if it were speech
Garnet Psaltery: yes!!
Sean Gorham: that's not a bad idea, phoenix.
Garnet Psaltery: 14 days old and under
Orchid Glitterbuck: Or a large hamburger.
Trimming Hedges: phoenix that would be great... 14 days would be a good cutoff
Trimming Hedges: right garnet :)
Sarg Bjornson: Uhmmm... not sure
Orchid Glitterbuck: I think a large hamburger says "Look at me"
Tateru Nino: That would require rewriting the teleport system, I would think.
Jeska Linden: Right now it's not technically possible, but this is also a big data gathering, if we determine we need a space which is open to a week or so, we may add it - but currently Help Island is going to be part of the orientation experience.
Trimming Hedges: they could do it with a newbie group
Phoenix Psaltery: I'm leaning towards pizza, myself
Garnet Psaltery: and then the slightly older newbies can help the new newbies
Desiree Petunia: ty :)
Jeska Linden: Especially once the Greeter program is up and running (which should be in the next week or so)
Lady Belvedere: true
Trimming Hedges: have all starting people starti in the newbie group,a nd then kick them out at 15 days
Toy LaFollette: I would be afraid of giving a time that they could return would cause a lot more problems
Data Linden: Anytime
Blueman Steele: it's abig issue to find a noob who is on the main grid unable to walk or talk
Jeska Linden: There will also be people who will need more help on the mainland
Blueman Steele: but a greifer would be out no mater what
Jeska Linden: Which is why volunteers and other helpful people are so important
Alisa Honey: thats y we have nci:)
Sarg Bjornson: The WA is too small and limited
Orchid Glitterbuck: I hunt down new people on the mainland.
The Sojourner: if there is someone who needs more time on the tutorials, I also have a set on Dreams
Trimming Hedges: griefers can always just make a new account
Trimming Hedges: it's not like tiat's hard to do, and it's free.
Blueman Steele: we don't have to tell them they can come back
Orchid Glitterbuck: You wouldn't believe the numbers of people who skip orientaion and help island.
Misty Rhodes: the issue with letting them back in is that we are gonna have more running around and may miss a new arrival
Jeska Linden: I have discussed with the Greeters how to recommend helpful places once new residents have gotten to the mainland as well
Tateru Nino: 50%+
Sean Gorham: no, i'd believe it, orchid.
Blueman Steele: only take them back if they got booted off
Sarg Bjornson: Perhaps there should be a huge orientation WA at the mainland
Sean Gorham: people want to get out there RIGHT NOW.
Jeska Linden: Misty - that's a great poiint and one of the reasons I like HI as part of the OI.
Phoenix Psaltery: well, what about a secondary help area on the mainland, similar to HI but open to those under a certain age?
Lady Belvedere: really that high
Lady Belvedere: but does that take into account people who have alts?
Misty Rhodes: maybe a separate returnees island
Jeska Linden: I believe there several resident-ran locations which cater to helping new residents - such as the shelter and the teazer island
Trimming Hedges: sean, those folks ... I just give them a landmark or two and wave... HI is not for them :)
Misty Rhodes: but we don't want to mix them all up together
Alisa Honey: there is a help island sort of place on the main land its called new citizens inc
Phoenix Psaltery: that's true
Blueman Steele: an OI on the main grid woudl be greifer bait
The Sojourner: Jeska.. how do I get ahold of Greeters... very often someone requests them and I dont have a ay other than the Mentor call
Jeska Linden: I'd rather route new residents who have already mastered the basics to these spaces
Sean Gorham: there's also New Citizens Incorporated.
Alisa Honey: add me soj:)
Jeska Linden: Soj - you can always send an IM to a Liaison or even Live Help (since Lindens monitor that channel)
Trimming Hedges: I wonder if there should be a mentor-run area on the mainland too?
Sarg Bjornson: Yeah
Garnet Psaltery: yes - the WA!
Garnet Psaltery: hehe
Orchid Glitterbuck: lol
Sean Gorham: ick.
Jeska Linden: Garnet - there you go ;)
Lady Belvedere: May I add something here before the meeting ends data
Sarg Bjornson: A decent WA
Alisa Honey: i hate the wa
Trimming Hedges: but where the mentors could remove people that are being troublesome without needing a linden
Jeska Linden: Or the Infohubs
Jeska Linden: Sure go ahead Lady
Garnet Psaltery: no VIPs hanging round
Blueman Steele: what about a place off limit ot odler residents on the main grid?
Phoenix Psaltery: agreed, Trimming
Garnet Psaltery: too many Infohubs
Jeska Linden: Since there are "Info I's" on the map now - it might be helpful to see if there are people looking for help at the infohubs
Ginny Gremlin: Yes I agree with Trimming too
Lady Belvedere: its separate dont want to break this line if topic yet
Garnet Psaltery: one WA - it's easy to remember
Sarg Bjornson: I also want to arise another topic after Lady, Jeska :)
Trimming Hedges: I think we'd have to be officers, though, in the group that 'owned' the land, which could be a problem
Jeska Linden: I think focusing our attention on Help Island and the Welcome Area are good goals for now, since so many people aren't going to HI, but straight to WA
Sarg Bjornson: You are right there
Tateru Nino: The WA is....sad.
Blueman Steele: dynamite worked for the previous WA...
Lady Belvedere: good idea
Sean Gorham: right. a lot of this doesn't matter if people stay on HI.
Sarg Bjornson: Yeah
Phoenix Psaltery: true
Jeska Linden: If we open it up to HI being mandatory, then we can focus more attention on HI and perhaps the infohubs.
Ginny Gremlin: The WA is tragic, not sad
Trimming Hedges: lol blue :)
Blueman Steele: WA turns into a real study group..people builld and even start ehlpiong each other
Toy LaFollette: yes... then there is no excuse for missing it
Blueman Steele: ack..HI not WA
Jeska Linden: *nods*
Garnet Psaltery: we had a great time today with a ctaapult
Orchid Glitterbuck: teehee
Sarg Bjornson: Should certainly be mandatory
Blueman Steele: ahem.. phyics demo
Garnet Psaltery: the catapult?
Phoenix Psaltery: I agree
Jeska Linden: I've seen lots of kewl stuff happening on HI, we just need to get more people to it and hand out as much info as possible while people are there ;)
Trimming Hedges: lol blue :)
Sean Gorham: "fetchez la vache!"
Sarg Bjornson: Yep, mandatory catapult
Garnet Psaltery: hehe
Jeska Linden: Yeah catapults!
Blueman Steele: "quoi?
Garnet Psaltery: graduation ceremony
Sean Gorham: "GET THE COW!!" "oh, oh..."
Trimming Hedges: yes jeska, blue was saying that this should be the new required delivery method to the mainland... catapult.
Phoenix Psaltery: new resis dont understand how helpful it is and thats why they skip it... everybody wants instant gratification
Blueman Steele: the catapult shoudl be tnhe new way off the island
Jeska Linden: I think the inclusion of the greeters will help with this, because it'll give new residents a way to jump into the mainland.
Phoenix Psaltery: LOL
Sean Gorham: exactly, phoenix.
Misty Rhodes: lol only if its easy
Alisa Honey: if we can have ejector seats here y not ejector things from oi to hi
Tateru Nino: I'm good with delayed gratification. So long as I can have mine now.
Garnet Psaltery: hehe
Trimming Hedges: lol tateru :)
Sean Gorham: i get a lot of "how do i get out of here?" they all want to see the mainland.
Misty Rhodes: took me 3 days to get off the OI when i started
Misty Rhodes: lol
The Sojourner: Is there a notecard giver for places like Dreams, The Shelter, NCI etc. that specialize in new residents?
Sarg Bjornson: I'd like to see a SINGLE exit point from HI too
Garnet Psaltery: the help manual
Jeska Linden: The Soj- no, but that's a good idea, the Infonet has some of this information, but a simple notecard giver might help.
Lady Belvedere: giggle thats trruwe i walked aroun the board for hours
Garnet Psaltery: Yes a big thing over the mid-point
Sean Gorham: yes. HI could use one of those "Ready to Explore Second Life?" kiosks.
Jeska Linden: I want to build a bunch of 'information spaces' for HI as well.
Garnet Psaltery: because i keep forgetting where the exits are
Sean Gorham: right in the sandbox, maybe.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm, the "signle" exit point for a newbie is simply "Teleport home" :)
Toy LaFollette: when I get the question of how do I get outa here, I will tell them but after giving some advice
Blueman Steele: what about an extra bonus in linden for those who stay on hi..I swaer it breeds content creation
The Sojourner: lol.. Misty.. I never went through OI... I crashed and that was the end of that
Lady Belvedere: yes that is part of my idea
Misty Rhodes: yes I agree that a single exit directly to HI would be great
Lady Belvedere: that I want to bring up
Jeska Linden: There are multiple exit points for HI currently
Blueman Steele: woudl be worth oh.. dobuling the start bonus
Sean Gorham: blue - it'll get gamed.
Misty Rhodes: i got stuck on the ball in the box thing
Lady Belvedere: lol
Jeska Linden: :)
Sean Gorham: do NOT bring money into this - it'll just cause problems.
Toy LaFollette: heck I remember when the parrot gave money hehehe
Lady Belvedere: no need
Blueman Steele: not if we make it per test and nto tiem LOL
Garnet Psaltery: Inever heard the parrot, I didn;lt have my speakers on
Lady Belvedere: the freebies are attractive enough
Trimming Hedges: I don't think it made noise, just chatted
Garnet Psaltery: it kisses
Jeska Linden: What are some other things you'd like to see on Help Island to help new residents?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, hmm, I'm also not so sure about "incentives" for staying at HI. For me, it's important that newbies *understand* that HI is there and make a conscient choice to leave it if they don't wish to stay there.
Lady Belvedere: when I was a newbie and people showerd me with stuff i was amazzed money not necessary
Garnet Psaltery: clean clothes!!
Lady Belvedere: yers
Trimming Hedges: taht building class area is really excellent
Trimming Hedges: maybe more stuff like that?
Garnet Psaltery: but please can we clean up the clothes?
Tateru Nino: A small racetrack, perhaps. A little shooting range. Perhaps with parrots. :)
Jeska Linden: Clean up the clothes?
Trimming Hedges: lol tateru :)
Sarg Bjornson: OH, IMPORTANT!!!: Cleaning the place
Garnet Psaltery: A lo tof the free clothes are tarty rubbish
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sean Gorham agrees.
Tateru Nino: The ability to /clean up/ :)
Blueman Steele remember his catpul is sill there
Lady Belvedere: yep
Trimming Hedges: yes!! set a timeout on the full island. two hours is a good time.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We keep pushing UFOs and cars and bikes into the ocean...
Misty Rhodes: nods but they all love tarty
Jeska Linden: So more tutorials?
Data Linden: Ask a Linden to clean up =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
Tateru Nino: We do. Frequently.
Garnet Psaltery: I didn;t
Lady Belvedere: autoreturn
Sarg Bjornson: There are few Linden around at my hours
Jeska Linden: I usually clean up at least 2-3 times a day
Blueman Steele: I love to add soem tutorials
Jeska Linden: a little bit of stuff aroudn should be ok
Phoenix Psaltery: "tarty rubbish?" sis, you are SUCH a prude. LOL
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What, Data, and miss all the fun? Some newbies gaze at us for hours :)
Trimming Hedges: is there a reason not to have a timeout on the full island?
Garnet Psaltery: newbies end up trying on tarty rubbish in front of other people
Misty Rhodes: why not one area or vendor ideally to hold all freebies
Data Linden: I do too on my shift
Misty Rhodes: let one person load it
Misty Rhodes: thereby eliminating duplicates
Garnet Psaltery: I mean it I'm serious
Sarg Bjornson: You should have seen how it was when Blue cleaned it lol
Garnet Psaltery: it gives a rottenimpression of us
Misty Rhodes: lol
Jeska Linden: I don't think we need a timeout, but encouraging new residents to pick a Greeter once the selection is on the island will be effective in moving people in-world.
The Sojourner: I would suggest a sign that tells them that tehre will be a cleanup.. someone recently panicked when their stuff disappeared
Garnet Psaltery: I don;t want people thinking I like it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: True, and a simple 30 min auto-return should do the trick.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Outside of the sandbox area, at least.
Jeska Linden: Everything should return to them, not just be deleted.
Trimming Hedges: jeska it just keeps things clean without needing any attention -- save you guys work
Blueman Steele: I have a crash course on building. that includes the idea of cleaning up
Lady Belvedere: I agree they get th message stuff i returned
Blueman Steele: anyoen want a copy?
Trimming Hedges: a long timeout like two hours is good, it's enought hat people don't have to think about it much
Phoenix Psaltery: Of COURSE you don't like the tartware, sissy G... you're a CAT.
Garnet Psaltery: pfft
Tateru Nino: Jeska, make the greeter selection hub the point-of-exit. We send everyone up there to select a greeter or to select no-greeter.
Lady Belvedere: hey Ive seen me hoochie cats around
Jeska Linden: Tateru - once the greeter selection is up - that is the place where the Greeter will rez
Jeska Linden: Then we can add an exit there as well.
The Sojourner: ahhh that answers part of my qustion thing
Sarg Bjornson: Cool
Sean Gorham doesn't care for the trashy clothes either, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Question: why do sometimes newbies teleport in at the Greeter area??
Phoenix Psaltery: I'd like a copy, Blue.
The Sojourner: how do we get a greeter until then
Desiree Petunia: ty :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I thought only 2 islands were connected to HI yet...
Jeska Linden doesn't think the freebies in the store are that trashy
Trimming Hedges: sojourner's question is a good one
Jeska Linden: Yes, currently only the 2 islands are connected to HI
Alisa Honey: i am a greeter also
Sarg Bjornson: The ones in the store are ok for me
Phoenix Psaltery: ty blue
Data Linden: Ask the on duty Liaison Sojourner
Jeska Linden: Currently greeters are selected on the web site
Alisa Honey: and can do a call out if i cant greet them myself
Garnet Psaltery: I look at it this way - if you wouldn't want your daughter going out in public in them whu give them to newbies?
Jeska Linden: We'll hopefully be beta testing the in-world method with the web site as back up next week
Sarg Bjornson: Problem is with the freebies around the island, out of the store
Tateru Nino: I've collected a few calling cards from greeters and put them in a folder so I can holler.
The Sojourner: ok
Sean Gorham: when i asked nicole about that the other night, she told me that new residents should be getting the name of their greeter in an email.
Trimming Hedges: garnet in theory, at lest, everyone in the game is over 18, we probably don't have to worry that much about it :)
Jeska Linden: If you see any freebies outside of the store that aren't appropriate, please let me know
Garnet Psaltery: No I'm sorry I'm adamant on this
Sarg Bjornson: Ok
Garnet Psaltery: some people hav ebeen embarrassed
Alisa Honey: did someone fix the hair in the store yet?
The Sojourner: (dont know if anyone picked up on an earlier comment.. but I found the otehr day that not all freebies are obtainable)
Jeska Linden: There shouldn't be any non-PG items on Help Island
Trimming Hedges: as long as it's PG, I just don't see a problem
Jeska Linden: Alisa- yes, I think so.
Garnet Psaltery: but it isn't
Lady Belvedere: yes put something on and SURPRISE your half naked

Trimming Hedges: ah, ok, M freebies are no good
Sarg Bjornson: There are some M, yeah
Misty Rhodes: well its a choice made by the resident how to dress and as long as unmentionables are covered i think we do our job
Gwyneth Llewelyn: PG is PG
Lady Belvedere: I would like to put a set of Gorean clothing out there
Misty Rhodes: i would not want someone telling me how to dress
Garnet Psaltery: but how do they know until they've got them on?
Jeska Linden: How's this - the only freebies should be in the store - if you have a freebie that you want to give away in the store, let me know.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, I like that, Jeska.
Trimming Hedges: the store?
Jeska Linden: Otherwise, they'll be deleted.
Sean Gorham: makes sense to me.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Misty Rhodes: exactly
Tateru Nino: I'd be good with it.
Sean Gorham: they should all be in one convenient place anyway.
Sarg Bjornson: Phew.... We need a BIG store then
Misty Rhodes: all freebies should be screened
Jeska Linden: I made sure to ask all of the people who made the freebies in the store permission and I would prefer that we had express permission for all freebies.
Alisa Honey: i have a box of cars.bots ,planes and bikes i give out on the freebie stand want that jeska??
Lady Belvedere: Garnet that is what I wanted to bring up
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or perhaps more than one store... one for clothes, one for vehicles, one for miscellanea...
Jeska Linden: We can get a bigger store if need be :)
Tateru Nino: Sarg's right though. You've seen how vast our freebie set is.
Blueman Steele: jeska I'l like to have the tutorals on buiding in the sandbox
Trimming Hedges: where is the store? I thought all the freebies were in the sandbox?
Lady Belvedere: dont judge what you dont know
Jeska Linden: We would need permission for all of the creators
Blueman Steele: so that it auto clears
Tateru Nino: Just south of the sandbox, Trimming.
Blueman Steele: and would liek permission to set up more tutorials
Jeska Linden: That leads me to another point - we need to use the whole island, not just the sandbox.
Misty Rhodes: i think its great that u can get hair and want not on HI - much more than we got
Jeska Linden: Blueman - if you have more tutorials, please pass them to me and I will set up another tutorial location
Ginny Gremlin: I like the idea of more tutorials
Tateru Nino: We tend to cluster too much in the northeast corner.
Misty Rhodes: but we then explored more to find what we wanted
Jeska Linden: The idea isn't to all clump in one location but to spread out across the whole island.
Trimming Hedges: that's what people naturally do, we gather... and that's what the newbies will do too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, some people get attracted to lots of green dots on one place ;)
Orchid Glitterbuck: Sometimes I drive around it in my spongebob hamburger car.
Sarg Bjornson: Then, the rest of the HI should have something worth of visiting
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, beyond the tutorials and the shop, there is not much interesting around
Trimming Hedges: this morning was lots of fun, and the newbies were learning like mad by having us all together
Tateru Nino: A group of five people DOES attract a better percentage of newbies than 2 people do.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps the house...
Sarg Bjornson: Exactly
Jeska Linden: We can add more tutorials
Orchid Glitterbuck: Unless you're in a drivable hamburger.
Trimming Hedges: if we're spread out, we don't have multiple viewpoints on questions and things
Jeska Linden: There's the freebies, which should be attracting people
Sarg Bjornson: Some interactivity
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also true, Trimming
Tateru Nino: But I would still like to see separate clumps.
Sarg Bjornson: HI needs interactivity a LOT
Trimming Hedges: plus, it's BORING to be in HI by yourself
Jeska Linden: But if we want to have more people, we're going to need multiple points of entry for different learning types
Phoenix Psaltery: are you saying that the new resis know to look for the green dots? most of them don't even know how to walk, much less read the map
Orchid Glitterbuck: If anyone is ever on Hi :) alone - let me know.
Gwyneth Llewelyn tends to hop from the shop to the tutorials and back again, unless *nobody* is around hehe
Tateru Nino: That almost never happens anymore, Trimming.
Orchid Glitterbuck: I'll come and we'll crash things and have a laugh.
Trimming Hedges: jeska is saying we need to spread out,so we'll be alone again
Orchid Glitterbuck: Then the new residents will be like "Wow what are they doing" and join right in. Its a good ice breaker.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And yes, Phoenix, *most* of the newbies I've seen are pretty knowledgeable...
Jeska Linden: You don't have to be alone, but it'd be nice to see everyone spread out to show other parts of the island besides the sandbox to new residents.
Trimming Hedges: that's what was happening this am, it was really great
Orchid Glitterbuck: They aren't as nervous and will ask more questions if they see you're fun.
Toy LaFollette: Im wondering if HI shouldnt have a central area, being the sandbox and then the other things spread but closer... I have lost a new rezzie just taking them to the building tutorial
Jeska Linden: Taking new residents over to the store or on a tour of the house or to view one of the videos or infonet is also giving them more information/teaching them things
Ginny Gremlin: Yes, a lot are afraid of seeming stupid
Orchid Glitterbuck: Its why so many new residents talk to me - I've got purple skin. I'm something different from what they're already used to seeing.
Alisa Honey gave you FREE CARS BIKES PLANES AND WHAT NOT.
Sarg Bjornson: I have noticed attaching a car to your head helps too...
Blueman Steele: if we sit and "do" somethign.. we attract more attention
Trimming Hedges: lol sarg :)
Jeska Linden: :)
Orchid Glitterbuck: I walk around with boxes on my head on purpose.
Blueman Steele: and inspire questions
Orchid Glitterbuck: To show new residents that its not a big deal.
Tateru Nino: Good point, Toy. The distance from the building Tute to the sandbox can seem like forvever.
Sarg Bjornson: lol
Jeska Linden: There's nothing wrong with using humour to help teach things
Phoenix Psaltery: mmhmm, Orchid, we believe you. :)
Desiree Petunia: lol
Orchid Glitterbuck: teehee
Alisa Honey: when i teach my ao class i have a wedgie animation loll
Orchid Glitterbuck: That's awesome
Lady Belvedere: lol
Toy LaFollette: I walk around a lot with my head up my bum but its not noticale :)
Trimming Hedges: maybe putting the sandbox in the dead center would help?
Tateru Nino grins. We're all about the fun.
Blueman Steele: would crashing the sim teach them aobut limits?
Orchid Glitterbuck: That would be nice.
Orchid Glitterbuck: Big Bullseye sandbox.
Phoenix Psaltery: LOL Blueman
Jeska Linden: That is something to consider - moving the sandbox, but the greeter selection/exit point needs to be easy to locate as well
Blueman Steele: one guy was making a chain link....
Alisa Honey: when hi crashes they land all over the main grid
Sarg Bjornson: Uhmmmm... No, I think the sandbox is cool where it is
Blueman Steele: we asked and he was happy to remove it
Jeska Linden: I guess the sandbox, while a nice gathering spot, shouldn't be the central focus of Help Island
Blueman Steele: tilme dialation was at .01
Gwyneth Llewelyn: BTW, why does HI crash so much?
Trimming Hedges: the sandbox is the most natural place to greet people and answer questions, because it's easy for both you and the newbie to rez objects and play with things
Sarg Bjornson: A huge number of resis are overwhelmed by building
Lady Belvedere: too much dead air between the avi temples lol
Blueman Steele: maybe we make a place outside the sand box for non building questions?
Sarg Bjornson: They just want to open the damned boxes
Tateru Nino: Jeska? The /floor/ prims across the island need to be textured on more than just the upper side. The plywood edges make for visible seams. The floor of the freebie store could do with some of the same love.
Alisa Honey: well if u turn on biuld and scripts by other parts the island loll liek the swing set area ill work on my jewlry there and wait for newbs
Jeska Linden: The big middle structure almost never has anyone on it - it has lots of spaces for discussions/etc
Sarg Bjornson: Oh, one thing we need to do: a consensus on how to open the blasted boxes!
Phoenix Psaltery: Oh, I agree. It took me probably 3 or 4 months before I tried seriously to build anything.
Jeska Linden: Why isn't it being used?
Trimming Hedges: it's no build and no script, why would we go there?
Blueman Steele: nothing on it... unless teh videos have startd
Sean Gorham: i wondered about that, too.
Jeska Linden: So you only build and script on Help Island? There are videos in several spaces
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, it helps newbies to open their boxes :)
Jeska Linden: (i'm just trying to figure out what needs to be changed)
Tateru Nino: It's hard to demonstrate things in a no-build and no-script area.
Blueman Steele: that is the main draw.. we leave the rest to greeters as they take the noob to the MG
Misty Rhodes: maybe better to have the screenings in one area
Trimming Hedges: for me at least, there are three basic functions in SL: building, scripting, and chatting. Only the sandbox allows me to both do and demonstrate all three.
Misty Rhodes: so we can direct them there
Jeska Linden: We could make the whole island build/script but have autoreturn set to a higher number, would that help?
Toy LaFollette: I started building my first day in SL but didnt have aa clue wth I was doing :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah good idea...
Sarg Bjornson: Certainly!
Phoenix Psaltery: I think so
Blueman Steele: YES!
Trimming Hedges: that would work very well
Jeska Linden: Trimming - i agree those are three major things, but there is also more social things like shopping, land/house cultivation/appearance tweaking/etc.
Alisa Honey: lets make a bueaty parlor:)
Ginny Gremlin: the appearance is a major item with the newbies
Trimming Hedges: yeah the avatar stuff, good point
Phoenix Psaltery: abooty parlor?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Perhaps only have the sandbox with a looong autoreturn time... some newbies drop their things tehre and expect them to be back the next day... but have the rest of the island on low (30 minutes or so) auto-return
Trimming Hedges: and that can be done anywhere
Tateru Nino: We can't really demo much in the way of shopping or land buying.
Jeska Linden: There is a video about apperance next to the store
Sean Gorham: yes, one thing i hear a lot is "i really need to work on my avatar."
Blueman Steele: ok going out on a limb here.. .what about a small disco
Trimming Hedges: the two hours we have now in the sandbox seems to work pretty well
Jeska Linden: And the house has information about land ownerships
Ginny Gremlin: a video is one thing
Orchid Glitterbuck: I don't know of anyone who watches those videos.
Ginny Gremlin: doing it themselves is another
Sarg Bjornson: A disco sounds nice :D
Jeska Linden: Taking someone to the store and showing them how to buy freebies is teaching them about commerce :)
Orchid Glitterbuck: Not a single new resident I've come across has seen them.
Misty Rhodes: oh no disco lol
Alisa Honey: yes but alot cant even watch a vid without crashing
Trimming Hedges: I didn't even know they were there, they must have gone in after I explored
Blueman Steele: dancing teaching about attchments (braceltes) and turning on / off animations
Misty Rhodes: we have enuf of those in world
Ginny Gremlin: and having someone there to coach them
Misty Rhodes: but a dancing machinge
Alisa Honey: and do they even knwo how to turn on vid controls
Blueman Steele: well nto disco muisc.. but a dance hall
Blueman Steele: one parcel set to music
Misty Rhodes: or some free dance anims would be fun for them
Trimming Hedges: jeska that might be part of it, when HI opened, there wasn't anything BUT the sandbox and we all got in the habit of going there
Ginny Gremlin: they love the dancing aspect
Jeska Linden: If no one is watching the videos, you could take people over to them - say "Hey want to watch a video" and show them where it is...
Sarg Bjornson: Something to actually HAVE fun
Ginny Gremlin: and its a lot of fun
Orchid Glitterbuck: Everywhere I go is a dance hall - I either wear a dance machine or pass out free spaz-tastic dances to have fun with.
Blueman Steele: when we have fun.. they want to join ans aks ask ask
Toy LaFollette: HI does have it all it seems but the distances between them bothers me
Trimming Hedges: lol orchid :)
Blueman Steele: "how do I dance? how do I stop " etc
Orchid Glitterbuck: And say 'This is how you shake your groove thing yeah yeah.'
Sean Gorham: maybe set up some teleporters?
Sarg Bjornson: I don't have much fun dancing, but many people do
Phoenix Psaltery: LOL Orchid
Jeska Linden: Ok, so the distance is an issue, because we're having technical problems with teleporting - I'll see if we can get a workaround for that.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm, an in-sim teleporting network? Say, looking like road signs?
Trimming Hedges: having a controller that would let us change the station around in the 'dance' area would be good too
Orchid Glitterbuck: 'And this is how you stop' 'This is how you record gestures (insert random gesture I did here)'
Toy LaFollette: that may work, Sean
Gwyneth Llewelyn: using the usual sit-to-teleport?
Jeska Linden: In the meantime, can you all try to recommend some of the other content on the Island to see if it helps teach some more things?
Misty Rhodes: i think that is a good idea Gwyn
Sean Gorham: and dancing - that's just a social prop. makes it easier to talk. :)
Sean Gorham: yes gwyn.
Trimming Hedges: you could put in a bunch of pre-approved stuff.... like Radio Paradise for instance
Jeska Linden: Gwyn - that's probably a way to work around
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just brainstorming... hmm
Misty Rhodes: want to learn to build click her to see the video
Sean Gorham: or, trim... get Help Radio STREAMING already! :P
Gwyneth Llewelyn: There are roads in HI, after all, so road signs would work.
Phoenix Psaltery: agreed, sean
Ginny Gremlin: watching a video and learning is a lot more difficult
Lady Belvedere: is there another club other than the edge newbie go to
Trimming Hedges: that would be nice too, the mp3 is a pain :)
Sean Gorham: Help Radio really REALLY needs to be streaming, not a static mp3.
Orchid Glitterbuck: Few can watch the videos I think. When I ask if they watch it they either say "Yeah - but I'm so ADD I couldn't watch all of it" or say "It crashed me"
Ginny Gremlin: than a live person there to ask questions of
Alisa Honey: help radio talks to much loll and when is that blue linden ever gonna show up any way
Misty Rhodes: maybe have the video for building in the sandbox
Misty Rhodes: so they can try it as they watch
Toy LaFollette: signs!!!!! there should be a lot more signs
Garnet Psaltery: like my outfit?
Lady Belvedere: that place so sucks ad you cant get in without being approached sexually it gives this place a bad feel
Jeska Linden: The videos are very short and it would be a nice learning experience to teach them how to play it
Garnet Psaltery: as offered on HI
Blueman Steele: yes.. and themed signs so that they can be recognized while rezzing
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Sean Gorham: that's in the freebie boxes, garnet? O.O
Trimming Hedges: good idea, blue
The Sojourner: I am working on getting a tutorial made with pages for all the basic info we are asked about and the ability to hand out a notecard..
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Sean Gorham: ack! that's not right at all.
Desiree Petunia: Business Skills
Garnet Psaltery: and there's worse
The Sojourner: if anyone has requests for what should go in it, please let me know
Jeska Linden: Garnet - please let me know wher ethat was and I'll be sure to remove it
Blueman Steele: oh .. and update geeters and mentors on changes
Jeska Linden: I have looked for freebies and not found them - a location would help :)
Trimming Hedges: maybe you guys could keep a master list of what features are offered on the island, jeska? I didn't even know there WERE videos, they weren't there when I was first exploring
Blueman Steele: I didn't knwo the videos hwher eup still I stumbled on hoe
Phoenix Psaltery: who dumped water on you, sissy G? I'm telling Mom that you're showing your hoo-hoos again...
Trimming Hedges: that way we can check the master list every week or so and see if there's anything new we need to know about
Jeska Linden: Trimming - that's a good recommendation - I'll work out a list of things to do on HI
The Sojourner: thanks Gwyn
Garnet Psaltery: Boxes labelled FREE FEMALE OUTFITS
Sarg Bjornson: Yeah, we need to use the forums more :)
Sean Gorham: argh. the clothes definitely need screening, then.
Garnet Psaltery: Jeska, I'm sorting through the whole lot to clean them up
Blueman Steele: Jeska there was a talk of a meeting place for voluteers.. still on the list?
Trimming Hedges: jeska just an updated notecard in a click box would work well for me
Jeska Linden: The only freebies we've approved are the ones in the store.
Ginny Gremlin: I didn't realize that about the clothes
Sean Gorham: i mean, if new residents want to wear something like that later on that's ok, but it's bad for a first impression.
Jeska Linden: We'll get rid of the rest.
Alisa Honey: one thing on the forums i have said before and will say again i think we need a place just for us and not for any one who feels liek it to write and read on the forum
Phoenix Psaltery: agreed. I mean, I like breasts, but that really is inappropriate for HI.
Garnet Psaltery: thi sis another
Jeska Linden: Trimming - Will do :)
Sean Gorham: *telling* them about mature content is one thing. *dunking* them in it is quite another.
Garnet Psaltery: it's calles a lace angel shirt - no way you'd know what it was
Blueman Steele: Jeska.. about shape changers
Trimming Hedges: good point, sean
Blueman Steele: I get a lot of avis askign how to ge ttheir "orignal shape back
Jeska Linden: It's in their Inventory, in the library.
Blueman Steele: that is hard because you don't kwno what they nammed it if anything
Alisa Honey: ]apperence-make outfit
Blueman Steele: yes but which. .htye edit one of the dafuts
Trimming Hedges: they often have lost it, I lost my first avatar
Tateru Nino: 'original' being the shape they spent some time making.
Sean Gorham: yes, jeska, but getting new resis to navigate the inventory is sometimes problematic.
Trimming Hedges: they don't realize that changes instantly change the one in their inventory
Blueman Steele: they work on it for hours on OI sometimes
Jeska Linden: Under "Ruth" - Oh, if they don't save it as an outfit you mean?
Garnet Psaltery: reverting to my own clothes :o)
Trimming Hedges: right
Sean Gorham: that's often the case, jeska.
Sarg Bjornson: Getting ANYONE to navigate the inv is problematic
Tateru Nino: Jeska - yes.
Alisa Honey: teach them to save there aperence by makeing a outfit of it in apperence mode
Trimming Hedges: that's a big pain point for new folks, they need to save their outfit TWICE and most don't realize that
Blueman Steele: someof the outifts put another shape on them, if they dont' knwo what the one they edite dwas called
Jeska Linden: UI problems aside, would it be helpful to have an "Inventory" video? Or tutorial?
Sean Gorham: absolutely.
Sarg Bjornson: SURE
Phoenix Psaltery: definitely.
Blueman Steele: invetory woudl be great
Jeska Linden: Ok, has anyone seen a good how-to Inventory tutorial?
Ginny Gremlin: and then the newbie is really upset
The Sojourner: Jeska.. You already have one
Sean Gorham: make a default shape/outfit dispenser.
The Sojourner: on HI
Jeska Linden: Oh! I have one?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :)
Trimming Hedges: that would be great, jeska, it's a hard thing to explain. A video on permissions (marked 'advanced concepts' or something) might be good too
The Sojourner: it is the first of my tutorials
Sean Gorham: same as the ones in the Library, but much more convenient for new resis.
Blueman Steele: wait.. on the shape issue
Jeska Linden: Well there we go :)
The Sojourner: Mighty Prim I
Blueman Steele: getting an ew deafult is not what I mean
Jeska Linden: Soj comes through on the tutorial :)
Sarg Bjornson hasn't seen Soj's tutorials
The Sojourner: lol
Blueman Steele: they edit it.. so it becomes new..
Misty Rhodes: Should add a tutorial about saving your original AV
Alisa Honey: how bout u also make a spot on the website to watche all these visioes maybe some can watch them on the web that can not view them in game becuase of crash ect
Desiree Petunia: what about basic note tututorials
Orchid Glitterbuck: YAHTZEE for Soj
Misty Rhodes: many lose them in the beginning
Blueman Steele: so one of many tha tall have similar names gets taken off them before they know how to find it
Trimming Hedges: also a good idea, alisa
Blueman Steele: the OI shoudl ad how to "save as"
Alisa Honey: i can noit watch viseos on sl it freezes me and takes to much band width
Trimming Hedges: and tell them to save as TWICE, because further changes change the thing they just saved
Jeska Linden: I think the video on apperance helps with that.
Trimming Hedges: the save doesn't work at all how they think it will
Phoenix Psaltery: would it be possible to add a step to the appearance tab to REQUIRE "save as"?
Jeska Linden: But we could duplicate it with another tutorial.
Alisa Honey: i think i need a light on i cant see the keyboard loll
Tateru Nino: Mmm. If you're outside the USA, Japan or Korea, the videos are probably not usable for you.
Toy LaFollette: lets dont make HI so its a place the new rezzies will never want to leave either hehehehehe
Trimming Hedges: I have one small question....where are we supposed to hear about these meetings?
Lady Belvedere: I need to bring up am issue
Jeska Linden: This is the standing meeting Trimming - it's posted on the forums and everyone should have gotten a notecard about it when they were added to the Mentors group :)
Misty Rhodes: good point. maybe video tutorials could be added to the wiki
Jeska Linden: Lady - go ahead.
The Sojourner: I appreciateed the heads up on the Mentor IM this morning
Lady Belvedere: My general announcement is that I am setting up a weekly event that is an intro to Gorean Life. It is curious who people with no knowledge assume the worst because of what they have seen from wanna be Goreans that travel out into non gorean territories
Trimming Hedges: not sure I got one, I was added a long time ago :)
Lady Belvedere: Gorean lifestyle is based on Honor Loyalty and Respect. It is funny how many here inclusive of Garnets comment bad mouth us, yet have NO PROBLEM WITH bdsm WHICH PROMOTES CRUELTY. It is so imporant to know that everyonr in Gor Chooses their roleplay character Master, Free Man, Free Woman , Mistress, Slave kajira, or kajirus
Misty Rhodes: i never get notecards
Garnet Psaltery: I do have a problem with BDSM
Lady Belvedere: there are laws and rules to each city and when we travel out we are abused and bad mouthed by Mentors Grewets and others that have no clue. I aim to change that. There I plan to have the event and offer know;edge to those interested and those that THINK they know what it is all about, and ask that you be as tolerant with us as you are with the furry with the equine penis
Garnet Psaltery: not on HI
Sarg Bjornson: Ugh
Jeska Linden: Thank you Lady, I think that brings a good point up about tolerance. Although you may not agree with every behavior that goes on inside of SL - as volutneers, we need to all be tolerant
Phoenix Psaltery: Tolerance should be a given in SL.
Garnet Psaltery: I don't give a tinker's cuss about Gor on the mainland
Lady Belvedere: it is hard to go out and immediately be confronted with peoples comments like garnet is here
Garnet Psaltery: I'm saying not on HI
Lady Belvedere: that is NOT the role of a Mentor
Jeska Linden: It is one of the "Big Six" in the community standards after all.
Sarg Bjornson: I think however that HI should be neutral
Jeska Linden: One thing to remember, is that if you don't feel comfortable talking about something - it's ok to simply say that.
Lady Belvedere: and I hear from people interested that greeters and mentor routinely bad mouth us and that is wrong
Sarg Bjornson: No, uhmmm... equine penises...
Sean Gorham: no furries? that would be difficult, i think.
Alisa Honey: see this is y we need our own section of the forum get it off our chest and the non mentor greeter instructor ect cant read it
Lady Belvedere: furries are not permitted in Gor becaue it is role play
Tateru Nino is holding a gathering for all volunteers tomorrow at 5:30pm in Pooley. Details posted to the forum and in a notecard giver in the Help Island staff-room (above the sandbox).
Lady Belvedere: however we DO Have Bosks and sucj which are animals
Alisa Honey: remind me please tat
Jeska Linden: For example, if someone asks you if you can find "get the sex for them" - you can either say that you're not aware of where that happens or point them to the Find menu
Alisa Honey: will this meeting be loged?
Jeska Linden: Ok Lady, thank you for the reminder about tolerance :)
Toy LaFollette: we all have to realize when we wear the title of Mentor, Instructor, LH or Greeter we not only represent LL we represent ALL the people in SL
Jeska Linden: Toy - exactly! :)
Sean Gorham: very true, toy.
Garnet Psaltery: Soem of us have offered to build a Mature area off teh WA to introduce people to Mature offerings in an adult manner
Ginny Gremlin: exactly Toy
Sarg Bjornson: I have a final point to make after the current topic ends
Misty Rhodes: much easier to say u can find what u are looking for in Find
Lady Belvedere: I will have an event every wednesday
Lady Belvedere: anyone interested can be sent to me
Jeska Linden: Misty - that's a good thing to remember :)
Alisa Honey: this the one lala was talking bout?
Garnet Psaltery: Did you hear that Lady?
Lady Belvedere: what?
Jeska Linden: Ok, go ahead Sarg, I've got back/back meetings :)
Garnet Psaltery: I said soem of us have offered to build a Mature intro area off the WA
Sarg Bjornson: Ok, basically, it is about that "Best of SL" thread in the forums
Alisa Honey: sorry i got to go i hate being late
Garnet Psaltery: introoduce people to all the options in an adult manner
Lady Belvedere: I would be interested in that
Sarg Bjornson: I think it would be positive to vote a group of cool places in SL to give it to newbies
Garnet Psaltery: see- we're not so far apart
Lady Belvedere: Alisa you know my sister?
Garnet Psaltery: I just want to keep it off HI
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right, Sarg, I have also been thinking about that.
Jeska Linden: Sarg - that sounds like a great idea, would you like to take a stab at it?
Phoenix Psaltery: I'd just be happy if everyone here would be civil to each other. :P
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Right now, many people have complained that volunteers are able to "influence" people's decisions on what they should visit.
Sean Gorham: YES, phoenix.
Lady Belvedere: but on HI you have all the sexy things there FW and FM clothing is covered up so you know
Orchid Glitterbuck: I think everyone would get along better if they rode a pig that shoots particles.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, an "official" list...
Sarg Bjornson: I have been working on a prim alternative to notecards to contain cool places (it still uses notecards to put lots of text)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Would make sense.
The Sojourner: what if were each took our 10 most itneresting places and sent them to Sarg?
Tateru Nino: We're all on the same team. We all feel very strongly about what we do. We all have different ideas about how it should be done.
Jeska Linden: Gwyn - I can talk to Path and see if he wants to start up the picks again
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sounds a good suggestion, Soj
Jeska Linden: But I like the idea of ya'll self organziing
Jeska Linden: :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Jeska — if has time, lol
Blueman Steele: a guy told me to take him to where teh "action" is.... dropped himin a combat sim
The Sojourner: lol Bule
Phoenix Psaltery: rofl blueman
The Sojourner: Blue
Jeska Linden: Gywn, Sarg - would you like to take a stab of polling the community for picks?
Phoenix Psaltery: genius
Sarg Bjornson: I'm completely willing to try to organize it, of course
Sean Gorham: lol blueman!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: jeska, some of path's pick are terribly outdated, but I still give them out...
Toy LaFollette: I love it Blue hehehe
Jeska Linden: Sarg - awesome - is anyone else wnat to help? :)
The Sojourner: I saw him the other day, Gwyn.. I think he is starting a few up again
Lady Belvedere: i an getting lost in the imsand chat
Tateru Nino: Pathfinder's Picks. Need a new edition.
Lady Belvedere: help with what
The Sojourner: I am willing to help
Blueman Steele: help for the pics
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, I'll skip helping on that, if you don't mind. But I'll drop some landmarks on Sarg :)
Garnet Psaltery: I'll see what i can find and send it to you Sarg
Sarg Bjornson: Cool
Phoenix Psaltery: Sarg, you know my free time is pretty limited, but if you want some help, holler at me
Jeska Linden: Ok, I want to thank you all again for coming and for being SO helpful on Help Island :)
Misty Rhodes: Thank YOU Jeska!
Jeska Linden: it seems to have become a very cool space for learning and welcoming new residents and I'd love to see it continue to grow :)
Jeska Linden: Bye everyone! I'll post a cleaned up version to the forums :)

Jeska Linden: Welcome to the monthly Mentor meeting everyone!
Jeska Linden: Ok, I've got a few things to chat about and then we can open it up to discussion...
Jeska Linden: First I wanted to touch base on how Help Island has been going so far.
Jeska Linden: We've got about a month's worth of data and the intial numbers have been very promising
Hildeguard Psaltery: yay!
Bryce Juergens: awsomeness
Raven Singer: WooT
Lethe Naumova: good to hear
Ginny Gremlin: YAY
Jeska Linden: We've obviously still got a few kinks to work out and a few more tweaks to make (most obviously the inclusion of the Greeter program on the island)
Jeska Linden: I wanted to thank everyone who's been spending time over there and make a few recommendations as far as ways to better utilize the island.
Jeska Linden: I've noticed that most of the volunteers hang out in the sandbox and I'd like to ask all of you to try to pull new residents to some of the other tutorials, demos, freebie store, videos, etc on the island, so we can begin to get some feedback on...
Jeska Linden: how those work.
Jeska Linden: And perhaps gather suggestions for other things that should be included.
Jesse Mackenzie: good idea
Bryce Juergens: can do :)
Psyra Extraordinaire: Sure sure. :D
Raven Singer: will do
Nala Galatea writes down stuff
Garnet Psaltery: A map! You are here,sort of thing
Jeska Linden: The greeter program on-help island selction will also be starting soon - so you should recommend that new residents get a greeter if they seem interested :)
Tateru Nino has some preliminary feedback on today's efforts in that regard, when you're ready.
Ginny Gremlin: good idea Garnet
Amethyst DeFarge: i like the map idea
Katt Kongo copies offa Nala
Usagi Musashi: great!
Jeska Linden: Yes! Garnet - after this morning's meeting, I've been talking with our content team about the creation of a map
Nala Galatea giggles
Bryce Juergens: yeah that will help out alot :)
Jeska Linden: :)
Raven Singer: I'm finding one thing out
Jeska Linden: Does anyone else have anything to add on that topic?
Raven Singer: there happy to learn the basic use of the tool bar first
Jesse Mackenzie: hehe
Tatiana Stravinsky: will a map help with teh ones getting lost on orientationisalnd itslef?
Nala Galatea needs to do more research before she comments
Raven Singer: then they pick up pretty fast
Jeska Linden: Excellent
Bryce Juergens: well somthing i noticed they seem to leave the freebie boxes out after they are done and leave
Usagi Musashi: hey della
Lethe Naumova: perhaps include an autodelete script in the boxes?
Nala Galatea: I agree
Bryce Juergens: it gets kinda packed at times
Lethe Naumova: set for a longish period
Jeska Linden: That's another thing I'm hoping to set up, autoreturn -- it might take some content finagling, but I'm hoping to get that going in the next week.
Nala Galatea: Yay!
Ginny Gremlin: they are so excited about just getting things out of boxes
Lethe Naumova: that works too =)
Jeska Linden: Also, if things get too crowded, let a Linden or myself know and we can clean it up
Bryce Juergens: :D
Ginny Gremlin: they don't think of the box iteself
Jeska Linden: One more thing, while we're on thye subject of frebies
Tateru Nino: If autoreturn goes in without Jeska owning the floor prims, everyone will be sad :)
Jeska Linden: All of the freebies in the store were posted with the permission of the creator.
Jeska Linden: Going forward, I'd prefer if we had other freebies to give out, that we do so through the store, so we're sure that we have permission
Raven Singer: I wish there was a way for us to clean up some of the boxes when we get slow and are waiting for newo nes to come in
Jeska Linden: This also prevents non-PG content from being given away as freebies.
Nala Galatea nodnods
Bryce Juergens understands
Jeska Linden: So if you have any freebies you'd like to see in the store, let me know and I'll get them into the rotation
Alazarin Mondrian: what happens now as regards freebies we want to give out?
Ginny Gremlin: I'm guilty of not having looked in the boxes
Lethe Naumova: what's the policy on giving away free items from our personal inventories?
Jeska Linden: And if you see any freebies in boxes - let me know!
Alazarin Mondrian: ok... we give them to you, Jeska?
Jeska Linden: As long as it's PG-friendly
Amethyst DeFarge: same ..
Usagi Musashi: ok
Toy LaFollette: Ive been watching a lot today since the morning meeting and I think the most needed thing is signs
Lethe Naumova: kk
Jeska Linden: Toy - that's good info to have, I'm hoping to work on signs next week.
Moon Adamant: i agree with Toy
Nala Galatea: Hmmm
Sean Gorham nods and sketches out a sign: "THIS WAY TO THE GREAT SANDBOX"
Raven Singer: I give the alla free BMW motor bike to teach them to open a box with
Lethe Naumova: new people seem to be drawn to clumps, so generally they head to the sandbox first anyway
Raven Singer: then they get to keep the bike
Raven Singer: they seem to love that
Jeska Linden: :)
Jeska Linden: That sounds like a good strategy Raven
Amethyst DeFarge: nods simple but fun
Raven Singer: yes
Jeska Linden: I'd also love to see more tutorials on the island, since I usually see one or more people working with those
Nala Galatea: What kind of tutorials do we need/want?
Raven Singer: then they have a gift from me to keep so it's woth learnig
Jeska Linden: I think the Soj is working on one, but if you're interested in making one as well , please let me know
Psyra Extraordinaire: Well, as there is there is a basic building tutorial and an appearance tutorial.
Jesse Mackenzie: I've noticed some profanity by newbies in the pg areas..seems to be younger residents who shouldnt be here..whats the best way to handle this?
Psyra Extraordinaire: that I know of.
Jeska Linden: Anything that teaches a secondary skill - there are several tutorials already on building and appearance and I think one on scripting is being made - so anything else that seems fun :)
Nala Galatea needs to go exploring again. =D
Jeska Linden: Jesse - if you suspect a minor in HI you should do just as you would on the mainland and report them via report abuse.
Amethyst DeFarge: he i need the scripting one myself
Jeska Linden: :)
Lethe Naumova: a clothing tutorial would be nice, where to get the templates, how to upload, etc
Jeska Linden: It should be a basic tutorial
Jesse Mackenzie: ok
Ginny Gremlin: me too
Raven Singer: is there anything on making cloths , my biggest request from the ladies
Sean Gorham: yes. i directed at least two new resis to the clothing tutorials today.
Psyra Extraordinaire: The general Q I hear the most is simply "What do I do here?"
Joelle Tardis: I tend to try to steer them to the newbie friendly areas like New Citizens Inc and Yandi's
Raven Singer: yay
Sean Gorham: er. templates.
Sean Gorham: gah.
Sean Gorham needs sleep.
Nala Galatea: Yes, I get that too Psyra
Jeska Linden: That's a great suggestion and leads well into my next toppic -- how to move new residents off HI and into the mainland/community
Joelle Tardis smiles
Ginny Gremlin: can we by-pass the WA?
Raven Singer: I hope so
Lethe Naumova: it was probably said before, but the welcome area is not a good way to keep new citizens
Jeska Linden: With the Greeters, this will become somewhat easier, sicne they'll hand out a "where to find help" card to all new residents they take.
Jesse Mackenzie: I try to give LMs of interesting sites :)
Raven Singer: it's the worse
Ginny Gremlin: I try to go there
Raven Singer: I was there the other night and don't wish to do that again soon
Nala Galatea: Well, Waterhead is nice =)
Ginny Gremlin: but they are generally surrounded
Jeska Linden: Currently when new residents leave HI they do go direcly to the WA, but that will be a bit different if they select a greeter.
Ginny Gremlin: and so confused
Amethyst DeFarge: its nice enough but some ppl just go there to newbie stir ...
Lethe Naumova: waterhead is quite nice, yes. Much prefered to the WA if a mentor can hang out there
Joelle Tardis: I usually try to take them to the sim and then teach them how to create a LM
Jeska Linden: One idea we have is to let new residents select an Infohub as their first location off the OIs
Ginny Gremlin: I'd gladly go to waterhead
Ginny Gremlin: its quiet there
Jesse Mackenzie: theres some beautiful places in SL ..with lots of creativity..I think they need to see that :) I made up a folder of the most beautiful places to check out
Moon Adamant: in my experience, just the fast chat in WA can bewilder someone who is not used to multiple conversations simultaneously
Raven Singer: I tired and warned like 5 times then salty had to get us help
Toy LaFollette: let me see, I think I have the url here
Toy LaFollette: oooops
Raven Singer: it was so bad
Jesse Mackenzie: and i give to newbies
Alazarin Mondrian: waterhead would be good for a while, but it wouldn't take long for it to end up like the DAMB welcome area
Hildeguard Psaltery: Can i have a copy Jesse?
Jesse Mackenzie: sure :)
Amethyst DeFarge: and me jesse?? please
Katt Kongo: when I was new, I landed in the WA, saw what was there, and left asap
Nala Galatea giggles
Lethe Naumova: it would be a temporary fix, but the WA issue is immediate
Tateru Nino: Alazarin's correct. The problem will go to the newbies so long as the newbies continue to hit the mainlaind in a single place.
Moon Adamant: Alazarin is right - if they go consistently to one place only it will become another WA
Nala Galatea: Does Path still update his picks notecard?
Lethe Naumova: the multiple infohub idea is a good one
Raven Singer: I made a packet and sugest they Tp to someplace there like the shelter and pass the welcome area
Psyra Extraordinaire: I rather liked the idea of the 'rotation' of spots to port to.
Jeska Linden: Well they would be able to select from the 50 or so infohubs if we did it that way, plus greeters will pull people away from those spaces.
Alazarin Mondrian: even if you had a selection of fixed smaller Welcome areas you'd get the same problem
Ginny Gremlin: NCI is another good place
Nala Galatea: hmmmm...50 places might be a bit too confusing
Hildeguard Psaltery: that would be better
Tatiana Stravinsky: me too psy
Joelle Tardis: yes
Hildeguard Psaltery: ty Jesse
Alazarin Mondrian: ove possible answer would be to use the various infohubs in roatation
Garnet Psaltery: Rotation is great - we just need to know where to go
Sean Gorham: yes... NCI has a little spot where you can set your home, too.
Lethe Naumova: routing newbies directly to NCI would kill NCI though =(
Jeska Linden: Another thing that relates to this is that while there is a lot of great stuff going on at Help Island, many new residents are still being routed to the WA
Sean Gorham: true.
Moon Adamant: indeed
Ginny Gremlin: I go there all the time Jeska
Lethe Naumova: Help island as a requirement?
Ginny Gremlin: and others do too
Tateru Nino: Thre were so many at the WA in fact, that it was impossible to help them.
Psyra Extraordinaire: It's VERY difficult to be helpful there.
Joelle Tardis: NCI, The Shelter,Chattnoir Estates has low rent
Jeska Linden: I'll be adding more Mentors again this week, so it'll be nice to see everyone spread out a bit.
Psyra Extraordinaire: There's a thousand distractions.
Jesse Mackenzie: I think they need to explore a little on their own to get the hang of it..or we should take them to some nice places
Ginny Gremlin: but its getting impossible to get to the new people
Nala Galatea: I think it would be nice to have the exit to the WA at the "end of HI
Raven Singer: the worst is the launge used there in WA and the other night people trying to get them to casinos and join maffias
Lethe Naumova: you'd almost need a liason there 24/7 to control the WA
Nala Galatea: There are so many places where they can click on the sign and just poof
Jeska Linden: Nala - we are looking at other ways to route people, but that won't happen until we have the new design for the OIs
Jeska Linden: (another month or so)
Nala Galatea: Gotcha
Usagi Musashi: raven that is a problem and its been that way for a long time
Raven Singer: thank god
Psyra Extraordinaire: I like the idea of numbered stations, but at the same time, making the path to get from one to the next more obvious. like a golf course. :>
Raven Singer: Oh I noticed
Garnet Psaltery: Not so many exits either, because I keep forgetting where they are
Joelle Tardis: You need to remember that people catch on to things at different rates too
Raven Singer: I never knew
Nala Galatea: And yes, it used to take a Liason 24/7 at the WA to control things and that was back in '03
Jeska Linden: Another thing that will be nice - is once the greeter station is working, you can send people there to exit
Nala Galatea: That sounds like the best idea =D
Joelle Tardis: cool
Jeska Linden: Then they can choose a greeter, who will meet them there or they can just leave :)
Ginny Gremlin: anything is better than the WA
Bryce Juergens: you know you should have it so the map shows up and then they pick where they want tot go
Ginny Gremlin: and again if a mentor says anything about language or whatever at the WA
Jeska Linden: And once we have the new OI design with all 4 OIs connected, we'll figure out a way to make walking by HI part of the OI experience -- to see if that makes a difference in Greeter uptake.
Alazarin Mondrian: one problem i can see is that no matter how you reorganise the flow of newbies from the OI & HI, the predatory types will soon gravitate to the arrival points
Ginny Gremlin: they are sneered at and belittled
Raven Singer: I tell them all to make friends with a greeter or mentor before they leave to get help on the mainland
Jeska Linden: Alazarin - this is why we have such wonderful volunteers to help prevent the less 'nice' folks
Garnet Psaltery: *beam*
Lethe Naumova: heh
Joelle Tardis: yes
Jeska Linden: :)
Sean Gorham: the answer to that is to create so many arrival points that nobody can really group up in any serious numbers.
Usagi Musashi: lost more then my share of just born newbies:( never a good feeling to have
Ginny Gremlin: yes
Alazarin Mondrian: maybe so, Jeska, but as i've epxerienced on stints at DAMB, it's pretty darned hard to police people hassling newbies coming in
Ginny Gremlin: me too
Joelle Tardis: I must have been lucky all I met were nice people :)
Usagi Musashi: we are not the police
Psyra Extraordinaire: The group won't die out because it's just a matter of "I'll get in trouble, theyll slap my hand, I'll go play Quake for a few days until my suspension is over and then I'll be right back at it."
Raven Singer: the island makes a huge difference, i'm told by new people all the time how happy there are to have had that first
Hildeguard Psaltery: What's wrong with them going from HI to anywhere they wish on the mainland, Jeska?
Usagi Musashi: yes it does
Jeska Linden: That's great to hear Raven
Alazarin Mondrian: that is true, Usagi... but i've often has that role thrust on me
Nala Galatea wants to play in the Cornfield, but doesn't want to do something to go there =P
Jeska Linden: Hildeguard, I believe the way the island is set up they have to go to the WA, but I'm not sure.
Usagi Musashi: alaz well that up to the lindens to deal with
Jeska Linden: We'll be testing that next week with the Greeters.
Sean Gorham: if eventually all the new resis are going from OIs to HI, we won't really NEED the WA anymore.
Hildeguard Psaltery: Can that be changed?
Usagi Musashi: I been through that in my early days too
Joelle Tardis: yes you do,but its easy to exit the WA
Nala Galatea: Well, somepeople will still want the WA
Jeska Linden: I can look into if it's possible to change that.
Raven Singer: Jeska I have related problem right now in an im
Jeska Linden: Raven- what's up?
Psyra Extraordinaire: It would be nice if newbies could return to HI any time in the first week or two or something, but I do realize that brings up problems with them bringing 'inappropriate' materials back with them.
Usagi Musashi: AGREED with psrra
Moon Adamant: indeed Psyra
Raven Singer: it seems Zack Jezebel just went off the island by mistake would like to get back
Ginny Gremlin: Agee with Psyra too
Nala Galatea: At the very least, it should be made clear that, right now, they can't come back once they leave
Raven Singer: he wasn't ready to leave
Jesse Mackenzie: I wish we'd had a welcome island when we joined :) its great...i had to find out about SL from reading and from a friend from another online game
Tateru Nino: One determined griefer could wreak and AWFUL lot of havoc on HI if he or she were free to come and go for a day or so.
Jeska Linden: Currently it's not possible to go back to HI as it is part of the orientation experience.
Alazarin Mondrian: mebbe a second 'intermediary' could be set up to provide a return space for new resis
Usagi Musashi: OMG jesse me too
Jesse Mackenzie: there was no friendly faces
Jeska Linden: You should recommend they go to another one of the helpful places in world.
Jesse Mackenzie: or anyone to help
Lethe Naumova: is there a way to disable the map's home button while on HI?
Toy LaFollette: I would think the option to return would be a mistake.... I thought it a good idea at first but once they leave, they leave.... god only knows what would be brought back to HI
Jeska Linden: There are many in-world spaces taht help new residents, such as the shelter or teazer island or the NCI
Ginny Gremlin: If I give them a landmark to go to somewhere else
Usagi Musashi: jeska if i may ask why is that so? because i find alot of newbies that miss hi. and want to go there
Ginny Gremlin: do they still go to the WA?
Alazarin Mondrian: you're right, Jeska
Jeska Linden: The whole idea of Help Island is to allow for an extended orientation for those who want more help
Raven Singer: Ok whats the best palce peole?
Raven Singer: any ideas?
Jeska Linden: Not to allow for ongoing 'private' space.
Raven Singer: the shelter?
Garnet Psaltery: I take rescued newbies to the Shelter
Jeska Linden: The Shelter usually has people there, or NCI or Teazer's island.
Hildeguard Psaltery: the sehlter, Raven
Alazarin Mondrian: the shelter and NCI
Usagi Musashi: shelter is wonder
Raven Singer: my thought too
Amethyst DeFarge: the shelter is great yea
Raven Singer: ok thanks
Jeska Linden: I believe one of the mentors from the earlier meeting was going to put together a lists of recommendations for places to go as well.
Raven Singer: letting him know now
Usagi Musashi: but some newbies need to return th HI because the miss the chance
Ginny Gremlin: I have the Shelter and NCI in my landmark for them
Tateru Nino would vote that a newbie's home is set to any random INFOHUB on the mainland. Where their greeter takes them is the greeter's choice, and need not be the same.
Tatiana Stravinsky: i know people like teazers but unles your sure theyre mature ready ...might be a bit much
Toy LaFollette: Sarg was I believe
Hildeguard Psaltery: Raven, have him ask for Sumar
Raven Singer: ok he loged , hope he wasn't too upset. maybe just crashed
Joelle Tardis: yes, I use NCI and The Shelter for Noobs
Della Street: I hand out a list of landmarks for all my victimes
Alazarin Mondrian: no, new resis should not be allowed to return to HI for obvious reasons, but there should be recommended venues aprroved to process them
Raven Singer: but i'll leave a note
Della Street: they always have me card for help
Toy LaFollette: when giving the landmarks be sure to also mention if they are PG or Mature
Nala Galatea: A thought. When you click on the sign to be taken off OI/HI, would it be possible to add a dialog box to say "Once you leave this area, you won't be able to come back. Would you still like to leave OI/HI for the mainland?"
Tatiana Stravinsky: i normally ask tehm what interests them the most before giving suggestions where to start
Amethyst DeFarge: i wouldnt send a newbie to teasers .. just because ..
Lethe Naumova: better to leave it to the volunteer's discretion rather than have LL take an official position on citizen aid groups
Hildeguard Psaltery: good idea Nala
Nala Galatea apologizes if something like this already exists and is a clueless noob
Moon Adamant: good idea Nala
Alazarin Mondrian: that's a good suggestion, Nala
Psyra Extraordinaire: Hmm, sort of a billboard in the various WA points with "Want to learn more?" ... heh.
Joelle Tardis: Thats Important I tend to just Use PG ones to help keep it simple
Garnet Psaltery: yes
Jesse Mackenzie: i do too tatiana
Usagi Musashi: tat I do the same and then more
Jeska Linden: Nala - that's a good idea, I'll add that to the list of tweaks
Nala Galatea: =D
Toy LaFollette: hmmm You are now leaving the womb BEWARE!!!!!
Nala Galatea: LOL
Sean Gorham chuckles.
Jesse Mackenzie: hehe
Moon Adamant: :D
Tatiana Stravinsky: you know...i billboard of sorts that gives notecards with a few lm imbedded might be nice
Jeska Linden: I'm open to any other suggestions for things to talk about,
Psyra Extraordinaire: I dunno if things are the same here as they were before Help Island, but I discovered that if someone on the mainland ports someone out of the OI's.... the "teleportee"'s home gets set to wherever they land. Dunno if that should be considered a bugrpt. :
Garnet Psaltery: a bugrit report?
Amethyst DeFarge: lol
Jeska Linden: Psyra - that's actually the right behavior
Psyra Extraordinaire: Even if they don't own the land. Ahhhh.
Tateru Nino: I'd like to see the freebies store have a better simulation of some of the common mainland vendors. The way mainland vendors work is hard to teach without actually pulling a real vendor out.
Jesse Mackenzie: ahhh..so thats why i keep getting newbies at my home lol
Jeska Linden: Since when someone leaves OI there homepoint is set to WA
Tateru Nino: Even if it's just one or two.
Nala Galatea: Good idea Tateru
Toy LaFollette: its not a bug, its a feature!!!!!!
Jeska Linden: You might want to take them to an Infohub
Raven Singer: lol me too - they even build on my land
Psyra Extraordinaire: I've heard rumors of club owners trying to tag newbies (through an alt source here perhaps?) and port them to their place.... so that they are stuck being home in their clubs.
Raven Singer: but thats ok
Jesse Mackenzie: hehe
Psyra Extraordinaire: Just a rumor though.
Sean Gorham: :o
Garnet Psaltery: It was reported as fact via group IM
Tateru Nino: Mainland club and casino owners ARE inviting newbies on HI.
Sean Gorham: i hope it's just a rumor, because that's Just Wrong.
Joelle Tardis: I have not seen that one yet
Ginny Gremlin: a couple of club members were at the WA giving out bodies
Raven Singer: i heard it to
Tateru Nino: At least one is. Was AR'ed.
Jeska Linden: If you actually see that happen, please let me know
Psyra Extraordinaire: I think a week ago someone was porting new folk out of HI, which indicated that someone there knew.
Ginny Gremlin: to lure new people in
Jeska Linden: That would be against hte rules.
Tateru Nino: We do not know who fed the name.
Psyra Extraordinaire: Yeah... hard to tell unless we can track them/have friendship cards.
Joelle Tardis: yes
Nala Galatea: I've seen quite a few "alts" hanging out in OI doing things only a vet would know, so yeah.... *grrrrs*
Garnet Psaltery: I'm a friendship tart to newbies
Amethyst DeFarge: lol
Psyra Extraordinaire: But if they vanish from somewhere that doesn't have a sign (that's what seemed so odd about it)... I tend to do a quick /find on people if they vanish to see if they logged or teleported./
Jeska Linden: If something like that happens, let me know and I can investigate and find out who it was.
Psyra Extraordinaire: Roger. :>
Toy LaFollette: its like anything.... it wont be a secret uless only one person knows
Jeska Linden: That's not appropriate behavior for Help Island.
Psyra Extraordinaire: I've yet to personally experience it, but something like that went through the mentor channel a few days ago.
Raven Singer gave you good places for new folks.
Raven Singer: this is what i hand out Jeska
Psyra Extraordinaire assumes someone is handing out LMs and telling them to 'go here for (something)'
Usagi Musashi: this is happening on hi?
Ginny Gremlin: some that come through you just know are alts
Toy LaFollette: something like that will come out, we just dont know when
Raven Singer: let me know good or bad
Ginny Gremlin: they have too much knowledge about how things go
Tatiana Stravinsky: i saw that too psy
Jeska Linden: Thanks Raven
Raven Singer: your welcome

Part two:


Psyra Extraordinaire: Last week someone mentioned that someone seemed to be porting out of HI.
Jeska Linden: porting out?
Lethe Naumova: there /are/ people who are fast learners
Usagi Musashi: oh gesh!
Garnet Psaltery: or they port straight on arrival
Lethe Naumova: it's been known to happen
Psyra Extraordinaire: Can new folk see/teleport to the mainland from HI, or do they have to use the signs?
Garnet Psaltery: but there's nothing inherently bad with alts
Jeska Linden: I believe they have to use the signs.
Joelle Tardis: hmm well my hubby had given me a lot of info when I started so you cannot jump to conclusions either
Ginny Gremlin: no, there isn't
Psyra Extraordinaire: Errr, someone seemed to be porting newbs out of there.
Nala Galatea: When you see a guy on the bridge with a script over his head saying "Pay me L$50 to cross this bridge", you something's up (and yes, someone got to him =P )
Sean Gorham: easy enough to find out... make an alt. try it.
Usagi Musashi: I know casino owners are playing games on newbies but not that
Jeska Linden: But I'd have to test it
Ginny Gremlin: had one today
Tateru Nino: We've had some excellent newbies lately. Lee Christensen, Inq, Dugan. When they've been doing little but learning building or scripting for a solid week, they get good.
Della Street: i have tp'd a person i was assigned to greet from Help Island
Ginny Gremlin: and was happy to go through the OI
Psyra Extraordinaire: Nala: I heard about that oen too. :P
Della Street: to my home
Ginny Gremlin: missed it the first time around
Jeska Linden: Just to be clear - if you see ANY of this type of behavior happening on OI or HI - please contact a LInden
Tatiana Stravinsky: lol dugan was fun
Psyra Extraordinaire: Okie.
Nala Galatea did immediately =)
Jeska Linden: That is serious abuse and we will not tolerate it
Lethe Naumova: directly or AR?
Joelle Tardis: ok
Lethe Naumova: ah
Jeska Linden: But you ahve to tell us when it's happening
Nala Galatea: Directly I'd think
Jeska Linden: You can also AR it
Tateru Nino: Both.
Nala Galatea: Time is of the essense =)
Joelle Tardis: yes
Jeska Linden: But it's something that LInden would stop while it's happening as well
Psyra Extraordinaire: And assumedly provide the name of the person that was teleported..... they'd be best able to answer the Q.
Garnet Psaltery: Same with minors, i feel
Lethe Naumova: there's no good way to tell somebody's age online
Psyra Extraordinaire: Minors is tricky.
Amethyst DeFarge: isnt thayt the truth lol
Tateru Nino: If they say they are 17 or younger, I AR it.
Alazarin Mondrian: n kidding~
Joelle Tardis: yes, its a diffucult call
Jeska Linden: If someone tells you they are underage, you should find a Liaison
Usagi Musashi: and not fun to find:(
Lethe Naumova: I'm actually 400 years old for example
Psyra Extraordinaire: I know 28-year-olds that act like children RL, and act even younger online. -_-
Jeska Linden: If you just THINK they're underage, you AR it
Garnet Psaltery: well it can be obvious from behaviour and chat
Nala Galatea: Lethe, I believe it =P
Sean Gorham: i didn't have you pegged for a day over 350, lethe.
Joelle Tardis grins
Jesse Mackenzie: lol
Moon Adamant: lol
Psyra Extraordinaire feels ancient now, at 457 :D
Jeska Linden: ;)
Lethe Naumova: y'all are so sweet
Jesse Mackenzie: is that in dog years? lol
Jeska Linden: Ok, it's been a looooong day - was there anything else ya'll wanted to discuss?
Alazarin Mondrian: i'm a dragon in RL and i came to SL to play as a human
Sean Gorham takes away psyra's matches. "no recycling for you yet!"
Lethe Naumova: if I weren't an unfeeling robot I'd hug each of you
Ginny Gremlin: lol
Nala Galatea: Not this month. I'll have more next month =)
Jeska Linden: You guys kill me ;)
Tatiana Stravinsky: lol
Jesse Mackenzie: hehe
Katt Kongo: lol
Sean Gorham: good, then it's working. :D
Psyra Extraordinaire: We do?
Jeska Linden: Thanks for all of your FABULOUS volunteering the last month :)
Lethe Naumova checks off the kill jeska and steal here job box
Psyra Extraordinaire: You better AR each and every one of us, this is a safe zone!
Garnet Psaltery: Yay us!
Jeska Linden: lol
Ginny Gremlin: we try
Raven Singer: nope , just how can we help clean up when not busy?
Jesse Mackenzie: yw :)
Lethe Naumova: er, her*
Usagi Musashi: we try jeska :P
Jeska Linden: Raven = can't yet - but I'll make sure to set the land to autoreturn
Nala Galatea: Jeska, one question.
Jeska Linden: I've got a bunch of tweaks for HI next week - Go head Nala
Raven Singer: yay
Katt Kongo loves tweaks.
Jesse Mackenzie: cool :)
Ginny Gremlin: tweaks are cool
Jeska Linden: Including *hopefully* the greeter "tweak"
Nala Galatea: If the addition of HI is helping to boost retention numbers, please let us know how that goes so we can figure out what's working on our end too =)
Lethe Naumova: yes, I'd be curious about numbers too jeska
Raven Singer: is there a set stay for new people on the island
Raven Singer: I am always asked that question
Jesse Mackenzie: what a character :D
Katt Kongo: lol Psyra
Psyra Extraordinaire: Trampolines... the fifth food group.
Garnet Psaltery: Was it a luxury yacht?
Toy LaFollette: I would like to see if poassible some email questionares sent out to random new rezzies about their experience on HI
Moon Adamant: lol
Usagi Musashi: i see pryra and i hungry do talk about food:P
Nala Galatea: Better? =P
Katt Kongo: yes, it was
Kamael Xevious: Good idea, Toy.
Katt Kongo: hard to lose lol
Joelle Tardis: Thats a great Idea
Nala Galatea: Just blame it all on me.
Jeska Linden: Toy - I'll write that down as well, good idea :)
Sean Gorham: we definitely need feedback from new resis.
Psyra Extraordinaire: I won't. I won't follow The Man!
Sean Gorham: what they liked, what they didn't.
Nala Galatea: Oooooo, good idea - Direct customer feedback =D
Hildeguard Psaltery: Jeska, is it OK if I post the history of this meeting in our forum?
Nala Galatea: Maybe a mail that comes a month after joining to see what people liked and didn't like
Tateru Nino: You said earlier that you had gathered about a month's worth of data, Jeska. Is any of that data insufficiently company confidential to see?
Jesse Mackenzie: ok we're all coming over :D
Toy LaFollette: it can be a simple yes/no and a place for comments
Nala Galatea: Exactly Toy =D
Joelle Tardis: That also is a good idea,
Psyra Extraordinaire: Indeed, if we know what you were gathering we could try to cater to that more. :D
Kamael Xevious: I think it should be hopelessly confusing and complicated.
Jeska Linden: I'll check with RObin and see what type of info we can release.
Nala Galatea: Thanks Jeska. That would help =)
Psyra Extraordinaire: Yes/No works, or the Four-Selection multiple choice, IE Strongly Agree/Agree/Disagree/Strongly Disagree.
Tateru Nino: No panic. More data means the volunteers may be able to organise themselves more efficiently.
Usagi Musashi: jeska if this has not be asked before but is there a way or has there been a idea that newbies can fillout a survey on their first day on sl? mean the mentor or greeter that helped them . to see if these newbies are getting the care they need?
Jeska Linden: We are interested in improving the new user experience - so we have several ways that we track that in-house, I'm not sure what we've made public of that :)
Jeska Linden: Usagi - that's what Toy was just mentioning, it's a good idea and one I'm going to look into
Nala Galatea: Jeska, the only thing I've heard publicly about retention is that the random TP thing to various places before HI didn't work =P
Nala Galatea: Sorry.....I'm filling in again tonight....I eat everything. You should know that
Jeska Linden: Nala - yeah that one was a pretty icky failure.
Jeska Linden: Go ahead
Usagi Musashi: toy i beenthinking about that for months so i have noidea why i said it now
Hildeguard Psaltery: Would it be OK to post the 'minutes' in our forum?
Jeska Linden: That's the plan :)
Jeska Linden: Thanks for coming out everyone - see on on Help Island and out there with the new Resies ;)