GOV (Gathering of Volunteers) log 13 January 2006

Tateru Nino: Got a bit of an agenda to start. A couple discussion items, and any gassbagging, noteswaping, freebieswapping you want to do while we're all together.
Tateru Nino: Well, the different groups of volunteers all have their own meetings. I thought it would be nice for a whole bunch of us to get together more regularly.
Shaun Altman: Heya Bluweman
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: ^^ good idea
Tony Zadoq: yeah totaly
Tateru Nino: We're a team, even though we don't necessarily feel a whole lot of community spirit. We're all over the place doing our thing.
Tateru Nino: Plus it's handy too compare notes and info, orientation kits and the like.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sorry!
Lo Jacobs: Hey Gwyn
Sean Gorham: hi carl and gwyn! *waves*
priceless Shaw: =)
Lo Jacobs: Geesh. Lag for me
Tateru Nino: And thankyou all for coming, dear ones. When you hold any sort of event, you can never be sure if people are going to.
Gwyneth Llewelyn rezzes properly and apologises for stepping on Tat's toes!
Tateru Nino smiles. Not a problem, Gwyn.
Blueman Steele: we shall end teh meeting by loading all the textures right?
Sean Gorham nods.
Moon Adamant: lol blue
Gwyneth Llewelyn: pfft Blue
Blueman Steele turns off particles.. shadows... furries.. and uhm color
Tateru Nino: Now, I've got a short agenda, then some things for general discussion. Respect each-other, and each-other's right to speak in turn. I'm the chair, so pipe down if I say so, huh?
Shaun Altman salutes.
Lethe Naumova: rabblerabblerabblerabble!
Tateru Nino: Now. First thing I've got here..... Rules on Help Island have changed, particularly with respect to Freebies. I've got the latest info card for Help Island here, explaining everything, but I'll summarise the change.
Tateru Nino: Basically what it boils down to is no freebies or free-to-copy items in the sandbox. Jeska's staging something of an experiment which dovetails with the things she's doing with the freebie store.
Lo Jacobs: o.O
Tateru Nino: You can give items out of your inventory, at your discretion, but don't leave them about the sandbox.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ok...
priceless Shaw: almost 3 am dont think i can stay up gonna afk get kids in bed
Tateru Nino: Freebie should be distributed through the freebies store, and that means giving a full-permission copy of the item to Jeska, with explanatory notecard, and having the creator's permission.
Tateru Nino: Sleep priceless. Try to get this to you on a card or in the forum.
priceless Shaw: ok ty
Ginny Gremlin: does this mean no more arcade game or cars in the sandbox?
Tateru Nino: Obviously that means that we'll have fewer duplicates, and the freebie store on the island is going to get a WHOLE lot bigger
Lo Jacobs: Schweet!
Tateru Nino: The games, the demonstrative things, the great wonders. They're all fine.
Tateru Nino: Just not the copiables/buyables.
Ginny Gremlin: ok, the jeep is a copyable
Ginny Gremlin: it isn't ok?
Tateru Nino: The green moke? It's also already available in the store.
Sean Gorham: what about the red car?
Ginny Gremlin: no, not the moke
Lo Jacobs: Maybe they should move the freebie shop closer to the sandbox
Ginny Gremlin: yes, the red one
Carl Metropolitan: Excuse me, Tateru? The events posting said this meeting was for Instructors as well as Mentors and Greeters. Is it all going to be about Help Island? I can't go there, and I might as well get back to the sandbox?
Blueman Steele: that big lake south of the sandbox cuts off a lot
Stan Pomeray: Whats the reason for the change? Simply to prevent clutter, or is it supposed to structure things better for newbies?
Tateru Nino: Part of the problem is that LL thinks we (newbies and volunteers) are spending too much time clustered up in the northeast corner. Part of this is an experiment to see if it's really the freebies causing that draw.
Lethe Naumova: plus protecting people's property stan, I think
Tateru Nino: The WHOLE island is now +build. You can rez stuff anywhere. Don't go nuts
Ginny Gremlin: that is a good thing
Ginny Gremlin: will it be autoswept/
Tateru Nino: Not at this time :/
Ginny Gremlin: ugh!
Blueman Steele: can noobs build anywhere?
Ginny Gremlin visions of clutter dancing in her head
Tateru Nino: Perhaps when it is closer to complete. Advantage, you may set out useful displays. Disadvantage, LL must come and clean up.
Lo Jacobs nods
Aphrodite Wishbringer: thank you
Tateru Nino: I believe so, Blue.
Sean Gorham: np, aphrodite.
Lo Jacobs: But, the newbies' builds *do* get cleaned up, right?
Blueman Steele: but only lindens can clen it
Lo Jacobs: As opposed to Mentor stuff.
Tateru Nino: Newbies builds only get autoreturned in the sandbox area.
Lo Jacobs: Ah
Tateru Nino: This is not ideal, I know.
Ginny Gremlin: thats what I thought you meant
Blueman Steele: I'd noticed greeter builds get returned if in sandbox.. is this still true
Ginny Gremlin: I've seen newbies scatter stuff everywhere
Tateru Nino: Yes. Only the Mentor Group persists in the corner sandbox.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, that's why the gingerbread house disappeared a while ago...
Tateru Nino: Greeters and LH who want to put up a semi-perm build for the newbies in that corner should get help from a Mentor.
Blueman Steele: I've seen that blueman scatter stuff.. we need auto return for like say.. if he forgot to turn off phyiscs while unlinking something *blush
Lethe Naumova: heh
Moon Adamant: =D
Blueman Steele: I've been cleaning it up for days
Ginny Gremlin: lol poor Blueman
Tateru Nino: Occasionally a Community Team member or a Liaison will sweep the place and make ad-hoc value judgements about builds too. Everyone thinks differently.
Julliette Westerburg: -_o
Blueman Steele: speaking of ad-hoc
Tateru Nino: Yes, Blue?
Blueman Steele: is there a plan for giving a purpose to different parts of th HI?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: jeska mentioned something to that effect....
Lethe Naumova: you mean the sheep statue isn't purpose enough?
Moon Adamant: lol
Blueman Steele: *snrk
Tateru Nino: The Community Team have been talking about placing more informational vendors and tutorials about. I placed a few in the last hour. I'm not convinced they are getting the use though.
Tateru Nino: But they've asked us not to all cluster in the sandbox. We should be forming two or three clusters about the island, if there are enough of us there.
Lethe Naumova: we need more big tutorials, like the prim displays
Blueman Steele: does anyone here work inthe area of store set up?
Tateru Nino: I spend some time near the freebies store when there's coverage in the sandbox.
Ginny Gremlin: I spend time there
Ginny Gremlin: when I see blips
Blueman Steele: stores (in RL, and some in SL) have a "flow" to guide you if you don't have an idea where to go
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm sometimes in front of the store...
Sean Gorham has also been going to the building tutorial area when she sees more than a couple dots there.
Stan Pomeray: I just go whereever there's someone standing around looking clueless )
Bobby Dayton: Hiya First hugss
Lethe Naumova: didn't jeska mention changing the flow patterns of the island?
Aphrodite Wishbringer: hugs First
Toy LaFollette: thats usually me Stan
First Page: lol if im standing on anyone sorry x.x
Stan Pomeray: heh
Moon Adamant: if no one needs help in the sandbox, i give a walk around - but they tend to flock there, seeing is the first thing they see when they enter HI
Lo Jacobs: It's hard for me to stand around when no one else is there.
Ginny Gremlin: for the build tutorials, if there is no autoreturn, it will be chaos
First Page: *stalked aphor*
Tateru Nino: Very true, Lo.
Aphrodite Wishbringer: lol as if
Lethe Naumova: the build tut area gets messy
Lo Jacobs: It's true that we do need to form more clusters
Tateru Nino: There's never been autoreturn for the build tutorials, and yes. Sometimes it is.
Lo Jacobs: I just find the sandbox fun and interesting
Toy LaFollette: that area should be a lot larger
Blueman Steele: I'd liek to bring up the point of voluteer clutter (since I make the most of it) inthe sand box
Tateru Nino: I'm inclined to agree. And Blueman just beat me to the punch =)
Ginny Gremlin: sometimes the newbies aren't really all that interested until they
Ginny Gremlin: get to the sandbox and see the fun going on there
Julliette Westerburg:
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes
Lo Jacobs nods at Ginny
Moon Adamant: indeed ginny
Gwyneth Llewelyn: However, Jeska would prefer a more evenly "spreading" . but this means mostly spreading content around as well
Shaun Altman: i gotta run
Lo Jacobs: Bye Shaun
Blueman Steele: I think we can make HI fun.. AND educational.. but I see extreams of each
Moon Adamant: and they see other people asking questions and so feel less shy about asking help, i guess
Stan Pomeray: Maybe the build tutorials should be in the sandbox, since thats specifically there for building in
Blueman Steele: it honestly seems odd that they are not alraedy in the sandbox
Tateru Nino: Before we move on to the next item, please /do/ try to keep the middle of the sandbox area free of clutter, so we've got room for newbies to rez vehicles, or space to fire Blueman from a Trebuchet.
Moon Adamant: i agree with Stan
Toy LaFollette: I was also wondering today that are we trying to do a sensory overload on new rezzies?
Blueman Steele: *i* felt sensory overload.. it was crowed
Tateru Nino: It's very difficult to pick the right level of stimulation, Toy. Too much or too little are both discouraging.
Lethe Naumova: I think the general impression is a positive one
Tateru Nino: I would rather err on the side of too little, being that we're sort of Nerf Island.
Tateru Nino: Moving right along - so I can get my boring stuff out of the way =)
Tateru Nino: The Linden Legal team would like us to give out these cards. The question on copyright and trademark policies keeps coming up.
Lo Jacobs: o.O
Lethe Naumova: speaking of information overload...
Lo Jacobs: Hahah
Toy LaFollette: =)
Tateru Nino: This is a clear summation of LL's stance on things. You'll find a copy of this notecard vendor at various places around the island. No need to read it all now =)
Sean Gorham: i assume we shouldn't hand these out unless the topic comes up?
Toy LaFollette: I wouldnt Sean
Lethe Naumova: I don't plan to, certainly
Tateru Nino: Kona Linden said he would like us to include it in our standard information packs.
Lo Jacobs: Ah
Tateru Nino: But it is your choice how and when.
Sean Gorham: ok, good enough.
Sean Gorham: i have a whole pack of stuff i give out, but almost never all at once.
Ginny Gremlin: same here
Tateru Nino: With dispensors like these around the island, an interested newbie can pick themselves up a copy of the card.
Sean Gorham nods.
Bobby Dayton: Is there a standard package as I have never had one. Just made my own up
Ginny Gremlin: same here
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not yet, Bobby, hehe
Lethe Naumova: there's nearly as many of those as there are exit signs
Ginny Gremlin: and it keeps getting bigger
Moon Adamant: and here
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But it would be great to thinking towards creating a "standard package" yes
Tateru Nino: Next agenda item: Should there be a standard orientation/info pack?
Moon Adamant: indeed Gwyn
Bobby Dayton: YES!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Tats!
Moon Adamant: yes!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ´Sorry!
Aphrodite Wishbringer: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And aye on that
Ginny Gremlin: most definitely yes
Sean Gorham: even if it's just a base to build on.
Stan Pomeray: It would make sense I think
Lo Jacobs nods
Aphrodite Wishbringer: wouldn't it be easier to start all Newbies on the basic and the same and then branch out
Ginny Gremlin: with the option of adding to it at the mentors discretion
Julliette Westerburg: yep
Bobby Dayton: With a system of updates
Lo Jacobs: I do think the base pack should be rather Spartan
Sean Gorham agrees.
Lo Jacobs: When I was a newbie people bombarded me with clothes.
Lo Jacobs: I deleted most of them ._.
Lethe Naumova: I don't think the base pack should have much in the way of just Cool Stuff(tm) freebies
Julliette Westerburg: me too
Moon Adamant: also a point for it is that it would only have to be corrected once - instead of people having to correct dozens of notecards on tehir packs
Sean Gorham: a couple notecards, a couple landmarks, maybe a t-shirt or something. leave the rest up to each mentor.
Toy LaFollette: when I was a newbie didnt see a soul for 2 days hehehe
Lethe Naumova: stick to useful cards, landmarks, items
Lo Jacobs nods at Sean
Lethe Naumova nods
Sean Gorham: the smaller it is, the easier to keep current.
Ginny Gremlin: I ended up at WA when I was a newbie
SuezanneC Baskerville: avatars have no souls anyway
Ginny Gremlin: I had no idea what was going on
Sean Gorham: oh! and also - info on changing video settings.
Tateru Nino: Can I have 3 nominations for people to work out what we should have, and sort out the details, then? Suggestions and content to go to that tribunal.
Sean Gorham: since the defaults are "crushingly high"
Tateru Nino: I nominate Sean for one.
Lethe Naumova: ginny
Ginny Gremlin: sure
Toy LaFollette: I nominate Gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: well lol
Moon Adamant: gwyn =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww sure, Tats, count me in....
Sean Gorham: i'll help, sure. =)
Sean Gorham: helping IS the idea, after all!
Tateru Nino smiles. Sean, Gwyn, Ginny. Anyone got an objection to that?
Lo Jacobs: Newp
Moon Adamant: none at all!
Toy LaFollette: nope =)
Stan Pomeray: no
Aphrodite Wishbringer: sounds good
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I promise not to put too many bad puns on the notecards...
Ginny Gremlin: hahaha
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or at least ask Blue first =)
Lo Jacobs: lol
Tateru Nino: I have one more agenda item, then Blue gets a turn at the floor.
Moon Adamant: lol, there's always taht risk, i agree...
Blueman Steele: *nods
Tateru Nino: THis is a bit of a hot one.
Tateru Nino: Now. We're going to take turns on this one, since I'm sure everyone will have something to say. I'll give you the topic. IM me to get a turn. Be brief.
Lo Jacobs: Ew I would duck cabbage too
Lethe Naumova: cabbage? I threw a rock!
Lo Jacobs: Ok Tateru
Tateru Nino: Joining newbies to groups while they are still on HI or OI. Is it appropriate? Is the NCI/Shelter appropriate? Or do those also smack of favouratism?
Tateru Nino: Who's first?
Lo Jacobs: Hmm, interesting
Sean Gorham: i'll go.
Ginny Gremlin: I don't like it
Blueman Steele: I'll go next
Toy LaFollette: okay
Tateru Nino: Sean. Go for it.
Ginny Gremlin: they should go see the places first
Lo Jacobs: I'll have a turn too
Ginny Gremlin: and make up their own minds
Sean Gorham: simply put, no need for it on HI/OI. wait until they hit the mainland. they have enough to deal with.
Lethe Naumova: I'll disagree with everyone else after you're all done
Molten Magpie: maybe the helping hand would be appropriate...
Sean Gorham: landmarks are one thing, group invites another.
Sean Gorham is done.
Tateru Nino: Blue next.
Blueman Steele: regarding groups
Toy LaFollette: I like the idea of NCI/Shelter but I dont like the idea of a new rezzie to be grouped on HI
Blueman Steele: what are they for?..... think about it.. I think SOME are ok
Tateru Nino: Hush, dear. Blue's turn to talk =)
Blueman Steele: I would nto give any that are tied to a location..
Blueman Steele: but I did set up one noob into the elves (after he spend 3 days turning hobbit)
Toy LaFollette: =)
Blueman Steele: and I myself give out my Segunda Vida to anyone who speaks spanish
Blueman Steele: mind you.. I ask and explain it first
Blueman Steele: it often serves as a lesson on how to IM in a gorup
Blueman Steele: *done
Lo Jacobs: Ok, here's my 2 cents
Ginny Gremlin: I think that is fine if there is a language difficulty
Tateru Nino: Hold on, Lo. Ginny's up.
Lo Jacobs: Oh
Bobby Dayton: Sorry folks. After 2am here. I have to go. Nite all
Tateru Nino: Lo, after that.
Lo Jacobs: o.O
Lo Jacobs: Sorry
Tateru Nino: Thanks for coming, Bobby.
Ginny Gremlin: I'm finished
Aphrodite Wishbringer: sorry RL .. supper time this is really interesting
Tateru Nino: Okay, language groups. Hmm. Had forgotten those. Lo, then Toy.
Lo Jacobs: Alright: I am familiar with NCI and the Shelter groups
Lo Jacobs: And I do think they can be really helpful places.
Lo Jacobs: I do not think it is necessary to offer membership on Help Island, because it isn't needed until the new member decides to leave HI.
Lo Jacobs: However
Lo Jacobs: There are other obvious pluses to grouping -- like, as Blue pointed out, languages
Lo Jacobs: So, while I think inviting members to groups should be discouraged
Lo Jacobs: I don't think it really needs to be an issue yet --
Lo Jacobs: I don't really see anyone offering membership to Sex Club 101 or anything
Lo Jacobs: k done
Tateru Nino: (such things have happened)
Tateru Nino: Toy, your turn.
Ginny Gremlin: I think that a landmark to go visit the location
Help Island for New Residents: Jon Itoku took an HIFNR card.
Lo Jacobs: Yes, but more on WA, right?
Ginny Gremlin: and make their own determination is appropriate
Toy LaFollette: okay.... I have rethought my initial thoughts.....
Tateru Nino: (Lethe next after Toy is done, then everyone can make a one-line comment for the chat history, in case we choose to revisit)
Toy LaFollette: since we have started a ummm small group of people for selecting what to go in the handouts, why not have one that could determine groups that would also be good for the handouts..... say....
Toy LaFollette: each group that wishes to be part of it turn in a note about the group
Toy LaFollette: then they can recieve the notes and decide themselves... thats all
Tateru Nino: Thanks, Toy. Lethe's turn.
Lethe Naumova: I think a middle ground would be a policy to the effect of: we can't ask them to join a group, but we can describe...
Julliette Westerburg: heh
Lethe Naumova: we can describe groups and if they ask to join, sign them up
Lethe Naumova: toy's card idea would work well in that case, I think
Lethe Naumova: the trick is places like teazers (I might be misrepresenting here, btw) which BOTH help new people and make a profit
Lethe Naumova: should we stick to non-profit type places, or just places that might help newbies?
Lo Jacobs: Non-profit
Lo Jacobs: Definitely
Sean Gorham agrees.
Toy LaFollette agrees
Ginny Gremlin: /agrees
Lethe Naumova: that's where I lean, but how can we tell?
Sean Gorham: send in a mole.
Lethe Naumova: I'm tiny, I can sneak in!
Toy LaFollette: knowing and talking to the creator of the groups
Lethe Naumova: (I'm done, btw)
Tateru Nino giggles.
Lo Jacobs: It's usually clubs that have those types of things and their name usually tips them off
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: i like Toy's idea, and with what Lethe was saying .. i think non-profit would be better. just my opinion :/
Tateru Nino: Everyone who wants to make a one chat-line statement at this point, go for it. Then Blue would like to take the floor, followed by Gwyn.
Molten Magpie: excuse me, teazers doesn't make aprofit on it's university
Lethe Naumova: but it uses it to draw in customers, does it not?
Molten Magpie: we're for profit because there's amall on the property?
Blueman Steele: yes but that is moot.. it's not Help Island which this ois about
Lethe Naumova: tis a fine line =)
Molten Magpie: sure it does
Moon Adamant: i totally agree with Toy's idea - let the groups present an introductory notecard
Stan Pomeray: Newbies need to know about groups, so I think Toy's idea is good. Whether profit or non-profit; no strong feelings either way
Blueman Steele: Teazers is a great place to send them
Tateru Nino would like to ruthlessly supress any debate on the profit/non-profit status of individual groups today.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: =)
Lo Jacobs: Hehe
Tateru Nino: With extra 'ruth'.
Moon Adamant: =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl
Lo Jacobs: I have nothing more to add to this particular topic.
Stan Pomeray: Just as well I had no strong feelings )
Sean Gorham: yes. let's lay the groundwork for now. we can always expand on it.
Lo Jacobs: (at the moment)
Ginny Gremlin: what is the consensus then?
Sean Gorham: the goal should be to present choices to the new resident while not endorsing anyone in particular. let the new resident make the choice.
Lethe Naumova: perhaps we can start putting together notecards for our groups, vote on then next meeting?
Molten Magpie: gosh, include us as a footnote at least, you can write (for profit) next to us
Molten Magpie: is the goal to educate people?
Tateru Nino: I think at this point it was more important to talk about it than reach a final decision today. We'll follow up next meeting.
Sean Gorham: as unofficial representatives of LL we should at least attempt to remain neutral.
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: ^^
Lethe Naumova: we're OFFICIAL representatives, I would think =)
Lethe Naumova: at least while we're on HI
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh hmm well
Sean Gorham: then we should definitely try to be neutral, if possible.
Lo Jacobs: That's not a bad idea Molten ... denote "for profit" or "not for profit". Anyway.
Lethe Naumova: but! I have no strong feelings about the subject really
Molten Magpie: why not offer them a section in your note for universities then
Ginny Gremlin: what should be uppermost here is the welfare of the newbie
Tateru Nino: Welcome, Maxx =)
Sean Gorham: what ginny said.
Lethe Naumova: if we wanted to be fair, would we post a call for notecards on the forums?
Molten Magpie: we all take different approaches, shouldn't the idea of help island be to get them out in the world and learning quickly?
Stan Pomeray: yes, they key thing is providing useful information
Tateru Nino: ******* Okay. Topic over now for this week. We still have a couple more things to get to. We've had a good talk and have much to think about.
Tateru Nino: So pipe down, and Momma Tat will drag Blueman up onto the floor for his bit.
Sean Gorham: get them into the world, yes. how quickly should be left to the new resident.
Lethe Naumova: will there be trebuchet?!
Blueman Steele: thanks tat
Tateru Nino: Possibly Trebuchet for afters, if you're all good.
Moon Adamant: lol
Blueman Steele: I've made a notecard to make this fast.. so bear with me as I capy and paste
Blueman Steele: First of all I want to say this is an idea.. and I hope it catches on... but only ideas as we've had tonight.
Blueman Steele: We are voluteers and welcome to help anyway we choose but I think we all agree we dont' want favoritizm and other junk which is really grey and nto waht I'm going to talk about
Blueman Steele: I wanted to talk about a system that friends and I use in a place where we sort of mentor.
Blueman Steele: But first I need to talk about.... social dancing.
Blueman Steele: Social dancing includes Ballroom, Salasa and Swing, and has the unique quality of being more often with strangers than not.
[Some text elided in this section due to a disruptive resident]
Blueman Steele: You want to meet good dancers so it's hard to not keep dancing with the best, and amoung experts a clique can form.
Blueman Steele: But really long term dancers know we all go through a cycle.. and that nwebie dancers need to be encoraged..or soon there are no good dancers.
Ginny Gremlin: I was chastized for showing newbies how to dance
Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww Ginny...
Lo Jacobs: You were?
Toy LaFollette: hmmm I dance all the time in HI
Ginny Gremlin: by another mentor
Moon Adamant: ginny =(
Ginny Gremlin: I had a floor out
Ginny Gremlin: and several people dancing
Sean Gorham: since when is dancing verboten?
Lo Jacobs: You guys
Ginny Gremlin: and the comment was it looked like the WA
Sean Gorham: it's a big part of SL. new residents should know about it.
Toy LaFollette: one that slipped thruthe cracks =)
Lo Jacobs: You guys
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: *smacks head*
Blueman Steele: I'll continue as soon as I can
Lethe Naumova: please do blue =)
Toy LaFollette: nothing wrong with dancing as far as Im concerned and it is a part of learning and we all teach
Maxx Mackenzie raises hand
Tateru Nino: Pipe down everyone and let Blue finish.
Maxx Mackenzie: >.>
Maxx Mackenzie raises hand
[Disruption from resident is more or less over]
Blueman Steele: well as I was saying before interuped
Blueman Steele: But really long term dancers know we all go through a cycle.. and that nwebie dancers need to be encoraged..or soon there are no good dancers.
Blueman Steele: So my friends and I have this rule, if 3 of us are together, there shalt not be a 4th. We see 4 or more of us together and one of us has to ask a noob to dance
Blueman Steele: mind you.. this is nto about dancing.. it's abotu not clustering
Lo Jacobs nods
Blueman Steele: We remind each other til lit's reflex... and might be a good way to keep us from being too clustered on HI.
Ginny Gremlin: good Idea Blue
Moon Adamant: good idea Blue =)
Tateru Nino sensed the analogy with her wide array of super powers.
Maxx Mackenzie: good stuff
Blueman Steele: It WILL mean felling a bit.... well bored, but I'd ask that we not "hang" on HI unles we are helping.
Lo Jacobs: Yeah, really good idea
Blueman Steele: If we need to AFK lets do it at the lounge built or at the (hopefully) one the Lindens may add.
Lo Jacobs: Aww
Lo Jacobs: I like to hang though
Blueman Steele: Also, standing and talking "Voluteer Stuff" like TP's being down, AR's, could be an unintentional source of cliqing.
Lo Jacobs: Hang and help
Tateru Nino: Remember we have a staff room 80 metres above the Help Island Sandbox.
Blueman Steele: I'd like to see us spread out and use they sky conference room.
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: *nods*
Blueman Steele: again.. all sugestions...
Blueman Steele: who are we to deterimine what is right.
Sean Gorham nods and sees how it might be intimidating for new resis to approach a group of Mentors gathered 'round.
Maxx Mackenzie raises hand
Maxx Mackenzie waves!
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods* @ Blue
Blueman Steele: ONLY Sue knows for sure
Tateru Nino: Taking questions, Blue?
Ginny Gremlin: they approach a group sometimes, quicker than they do an individual
Blueman Steele: go ahead maxx.. en expañMaxx Mackenzie: lol, ok

Maxx Mackenzie: if you other mentors don't mind =)
Lo Jacobs: o.O
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: ^^
Blueman Steele: *looks for shirt
Lethe Naumova opens up google language tools
Maxx Mackenzie: ok, Blue
Toy LaFollette: I mind but go ahead anyway Maxx hehehehehe
OnnaYokai Yamabushi does too
Ginny Gremlin: I don't understand spanish
Maxx Mackenzie: well, i tend to be around the building tutorial a bit
Maxx Mackenzie: but at the time i am in HI
Maxx Mackenzie: there's hardly no more than 4-5 mentors average
Maxx Mackenzie: it would be nice as you say to spread out a bit
Blueman Steele: I'd liek to see 3 in the sand box.. one in the house, one in the hand and two inthe bush
Maxx Mackenzie: even if it is for exchanging tips, i think that blue's suggestion is great
Gwyneth Llewelyn: =)
Maxx Mackenzie: i sometimes find myself answering questions from 3-4 new citizens at a single time
Blueman Steele: I know we can get very thin
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: so basically go where you dont see amillion other green dots?
Maxx Mackenzie: its not that i can't handle it
Maxx Mackenzie: but it would be nice to have another fellow mentor
Ginny Gremlin: how long is a person supposed to stand around all by themselves on the island?
Toy LaFollette: go stand in a corner =)
Lo Jacobs nods at Maxx
Lethe Naumova: part of the trouble is the whole thing is a feedback loop, you go where the people are, because you can't teach a bush to build
Maxx Mackenzie: and i know this may be a bit out of place....
Blueman Steele: Onna: yes.. be willing to "stand alone" .. though.. it is a good point that small groups attarct noobs
Tateru Nino likes to be with a fellow mentor. Especially with a new one. There is much for both of us to learn.
Ginny Gremlin: same here Tat
Maxx Mackenzie: but it really ticks me to no end, that when someone asks a question, the spam you get from the channel is not from text from answers, but from people leaving
Blueman Steele feels cold and wished his shirt would rez
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Ginny Gremlin: if there is no interaction between mentors, the group becomes static
Moon Adamant: indeed tat, i learn a lot from watching you guys who have more xperience
Blueman Steele: for now.. we will usually have too few to cluster.. but we will be growing soon
Toy LaFollette: could use bots then instead of Mentors
Lo Jacobs: Personally I find the atmosphere to be very helpful and positive for newbies -- I really do think that newbies with other newbies are more inclined to stick around and pay attention
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: yes im a new mentor and i dont really know what im doing half the time, i just kind of wing it, so being with other mentors helps a lot, or being where everyone else is help i should say
Tateru Nino learns a lot from everyone. =)
Lo Jacobs: And so are we
Ginny Gremlin learns a lot from the expert builders
Fairge Kinsella: I rally take Blue's point about going AFK, and i think that getting ties up in IMs, which I am especially guilty of, is not good. But I have found that a 'non expert' conversation between mentors has drawn new people into general conversation.
Lo Jacobs: People are drawn naturally to other people
Tateru Nino nods. Some people are drawn to our social chatter.
Lethe Naumova: I think we can cut down on jargon
Lo Jacobs: If someone is standing around by themselves
Lo Jacobs: Then I tend to think they're busy
Ginny Gremlin: they think they are a robot
Ginny Gremlin: and ignore the person
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *bleep* ro. bot. *bleep*
Lethe Naumova: I believe blue has the stage guys =)
Blueman Steele: all of these are good points
Tateru Nino: Blue does, yes.
Cherry Charming stumbles across the SL mentor appreciation society and waves ...
Cherry Charming: Hi =)
Lo Jacobs: Hi Cherry
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: hi lol
Maxx Mackenzie poses for cameras
Moon Adamant: hi Cherry =)
Blueman Steele: and I think we won't forget how muchthe groups help
Julliette Westerburg: Hi Cherry
Blueman Steele: just a planted seed
Cherry Charming: hey everyon =)
Blueman Steele: thanks for coming.. I"ll pass things back to tat...
Angelique LaFollette: Bonjour Cherry.
Lethe Naumova: thank you blue
Lo Jacobs: Blue, I agree that in the future as SL grows this will be needed and then down the line we'll have little clusters
Cherry Charming: bonjpour Angelic
Lo Jacobs: And as Help Island grows
Tateru Nino: Alrighty. Brief final thoughts on the topic,then Gwyn.
Moon Adamant: i think also that some more definite areas would help not to cluster
Lethe Naumova: I do do do do, think (and I do this too) that we use too many SL specific terms on help island, espec when talking to other mentors =)
Blueman Steele: <---- guilty
Lo Jacobs: I also *do* help people for fun, and standing around by myself is NOT fun. And as much as it might help people, it's boring.
Gwyneth Llewelyn has a slide on SL slang
Tateru Nino: <-guilty
Moon Adamant: i mean, the changing appearance is in middle of sandbox... so you gets newbies building AND changing appearance
Sean Gorham nods. "it's easy to slip into the jargon without realizing it."
Ginny Gremlin: or dancing in the middle of the sandbox
Cherry Charming: Noobies need to hear sl slang
Lo Jacobs: I'm not trying to be difficult
Ginny Gremlin: gets the newbies into the fun
Maxx Mackenzie nods
Lo Jacobs: I just think that having people together actually improves the experience
Ginny Gremlin: I just would be bored out of my mind
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: tru dat
Tateru Nino: On the plus side it /is/ an opportunity to teach it to them. If they don't learn the slang they will feel excluded on the mainland. I did, after all.
Lethe Naumova: jargon + context = good
Ginny Gremlin: standing around by myself for hours at a time
Stan Pomeray: I don't think you need to hang around on your own, just move to wherever newbies might be, if you believe there are sufficient mentors already present in one area
Lethe Naumova: jargon + jargon = bad
Blueman Steele: I mean WTF the NOOB gets from OI to HI without TP and askes about SL till you want to AR them, before they REZZ
Lethe Naumova: lolz
Toy LaFollette: I tend to get in trouble if Im left alone hehehehehe
Moon Adamant: LOL
Ginny Gremlin: we do tha already
Gwyneth Llewelyn: rofl Blue!
Ginny Gremlin: we go check the blips
Ginny Gremlin: see who they are
Ginny Gremlin: ask to help
Maxx Mackenzie: i shot a linden out of a cannon today :3
Angelique LaFollette: Sit among a group of computer techs speaking technobabble for half an Hour, and see how interesting it is if you don't understand a word.
Ginny Gremlin: yes
Lo Jacobs: Hehehe
Ginny Gremlin: and Garnet took pictures
Cherry Charming: O rez n texture that prim so lagged...
Tateru Nino looks at the clock. Okay, people. Pipe down now for Gwyn!
Cherry Charming: oh ye great alt of FIC
Lethe Naumova: gwyyyyyyyyyn
Lo Jacobs: Heh Cherry
Cherry Charming: wonders what O lag will be or where on high or near
Cherry Charming: or far
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll be brief, guys...
Tateru Nino: Gwyn? Your turn, honey.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just like tateru suggested a group to work on notecards...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Since it looks like several ideas we have are related to the way HI is "built"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and Jeska wants/needs to rebuild it anyway
Gwyneth Llewelyn: what about a task force to propose a layout?
Maxx Mackenzie: woot
Maxx Mackenzie: i mean aye
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and some good ideas, like in-world teleporters...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sort of rounding up what so many have already talked here
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and in the other two meetings with Jeska
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, that's just a thought, mind you =)
Ginny Gremlin has trouble planning her garden
Lethe Naumova: a unified set of suggestions would be much more likely to be used by the lindens
Tateru Nino: Jeska /is/ keen for feedback and suggestions. Might as well funnel that through a small group to save flooding her.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, I'm *slightly* (not much, just a bit) concerned on a certain "image" that most people have about us volunteers
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, that was my idea, Tats.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now... there are around 500+ volunteers
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But we *know* it's always the usual 100 or so that are around
Tateru Nino usually figures 50 or less.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, plus Greeters, tats.
Maxx Mackenzie: LH's too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and instructors and LHers
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: so perhaps 100, 120
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, sadly for us, *some* of the volunteers, well... stories are told
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I know one to share, about a Mentor that didn't even speak *English*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Is there anything we can do about presenting a "good" image?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Is it pointless? Worth thinking about it?
Blueman Steele: yea.. we could define it
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Lethe Naumova: I'm quite strongly against pruning mentors
Lethe Naumova: even bad ones
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Or it's better not to give much importance to it, and expect that people judge us by our *actions*, not anedoctal evidence?
Tateru Nino: I think the bad ones generally become inert and don't bother anyone after awhile. If it's a rules-violation, that's what the AR tool is for.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Sue, what I mean is that these days it looks like "being a volunteer" is mostly clicking on a web site, and having a clean record in terms of ARs
Lo Jacobs nods
Toy LaFollette: I like to think of us all when wearing the titles to be not only representatives of LL but ALL the people in SL
Blueman Steele: so youcan voluteer if you have been good.... or good at not getting caught
Lethe Naumova: especially on HI, where we are the community. the whole community
Moon Adamant: indeed Toy - we're the first SL people they meet
Gwyneth Llewelyn: See, Toy, I agree so much with that... there is a degree of *responsability*. Newbies and others alike judge LL and SL by looking at *us*
SuezanneC Baskerville: or have a friend in the right spot
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yep Sue =)
Angelique LaFollette: When i Applied. I know they only asked for a Clean record, and a willingness to help,
Tateru Nino: For them, we /are/ SL, and we make the difference if the new people become new residents or not.
Lethe Naumova: I'm a horrible mentor, I'm just here because I'm FIC =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Angelique, those are usually the only "requirements", so to speak.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL Lethe!!!
Angelique LaFollette: But i didn't apply until i had been here over 18 months, and was sure myself i had something useful to Offer.
Ginny Gremlin: you had them spellbound today
Blueman Steele: yea how long till I get FIC status. I keep applying
Maxx Mackenzie: FIC?
Angelique LaFollette: ??
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: yea FIC?
Moon Adamant: indeed Angelique - i applied only after one year myself for the same reason =)
Tateru Nino: FIC == Long story. To be explained later.
Maxx Mackenzie: noted
Lethe Naumova: there is no FIC, these are not the droids you're looking for *waves hand*
Angelique LaFollette: OH,, that Inner core thing.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Rulers Of The World. A Secret Society That Determines All That Goes Around In SL
Angelique LaFollette: I thought that was a Joke.
Lethe Naumova: it is a joke
Lo Jacobs: Prokofy's one lasting contribution to SL
Ginny Gremlin: oh oh
Lethe Naumova: but that's an issue for another day =)
Ginny Gremlin: I gotta leave
Moon Adamant: uh gywn - isn't that the SIC?
Ginny Gremlin: ugh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah sorry, Moon. Yes. Sure.
Tateru Nino: Gwyn's specific question was, I thought, is there anything we can do to improve the image we project?
Ginny Gremlin: by youse guys!
Lo Jacobs: Later Ginny =) Have a good night
Ginny Gremlin: cya all later
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, that was my question, Tats.
Stan Pomeray: bye Ginny
Sean Gorham: bye ginny!
Julliette Westerburg: bye Gwyn
Moon Adamant: see you Ginny =)
Tateru Nino: G'night, Ginny. Thanks for coming.
Julliette Westerburg: ooh GInny
Lethe Naumova: we all do the best we can, that's how we improve the image
Sean Gorham: ginny, gwyn - we'll need to get together sometime soon.
Lethe Naumova: we help mentors who are struggling
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And also, if we *should* attempt to do anything beyond Lethe's suggestion
Lo Jacobs: Yeah, I don't really know if we could do anything
Lethe Naumova: but we do it out of earshot of the newbies
Lo Jacobs: Other than hold an event "Get to know your local Mentor" lol
Angelique LaFollette: Behave Professionally, and remember why you Volenteered in the first place.
Lethe Naumova: and most of all, /we/ accept critism ourselves
Lethe Naumova: er, mind my spelling, I'm caffinated =D
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That sounds a good start, Angelique. Also, many have suggested Volunteer Education Classes =) Sort of, learning from your peers, presenting an organised, semi-professional image
Lethe Naumova: mentor mentors =D
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I think that's mostly wishful thinking, though
Maxx Mackenzie: image is nothing, obey your thirst!!
Stan Pomeray: I don't think we can really do anything specific to promote ourselves. Newbies who get useful help will hopefully go off with a good image of us
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Maxx =)
Angelique LaFollette: In RL, i work in a Field of Public service.
Moon Adamant: well, these meetings if tehy become regular are a bit that, i guess
Lethe Naumova: ach, mine thirsten
Maxx Mackenzie: i think that the only way to improve "an image" is to do something about it, like helping out, volunteering, dying for your country and telling nazis how they will be shot, so mentors, go forth and kick n00b butt!
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: LOL
Lethe Naumova: for the motherland!
Toy LaFollette: I tell you what.... the firsttime I became LH it was damn scarry, had no clue wasnt given any instruction so I would like to see some sort of class we could give to new Mentors, LH, Instrctors and Greeters
Stan Pomeray: )
Maxx Mackenzie: in a good sense of course
Sean Gorham: absolutely, toy.
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: good idea =D
Julliette Westerburg: I hear ya Toy
Blueman Steele: and a sobriety test
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: wa?
Sean Gorham: we need an orientation course of some kind for volunteers.
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: sobriety test? noooooo
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: lol jk
Sean Gorham: we're here to orient new residents - it only makes sense that somebody should orient US.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I like those ideas
Lethe Naumova: but there's no one right way to mentor
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, I think we should draft some Liaisons =)
Tateru Nino: Unless something can be come up with, I'm the orientation for everyone else at the moment =)
Lethe Naumova: it's just something you get a feel for as you do it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: True true Tats =)
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: but it would be nice to have tips on mentoring
Julliette Westerburg:
Tateru Nino teaches newbies, oldbies, volunteers, baby lindens. Whatever.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "baby lindens" sounds cool =)
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: awww
Moon Adamant: lol
Lethe Naumova: I like how freeform the volunteer program is, myself
Stan Pomeray: lindens in diapers? hmmmmm
Lethe Naumova: I think the benifits outweigh the costs
Toy LaFollette: no, we are all different and should be, Im not suggesting a certain objective for a class just some pointers and support amoungst ourselves
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: ^^
Tateru Nino: The overall agenda is now done with. I'm thinking of trying 11pm on the 20th (SLT) for the next one, to try to catch some more of our out-of-towners.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I would also hate too much "uniformity"!
Moon Adamant: is good just to watch other people doing their work, i find
Lo Jacobs: Well, y'know, maybe not pointers, but, these meetings could also help new mentors.
Sean Gorham: i'm not saying we should all be identical in how we help others.
Lethe Naumova: the only real issue is when new mentors are on the island alone =)
Lo Jacobs: I mean, just being around other mentors
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Spam the group then, Lethe
Maxx Mackenzie: yeah, for that follow blue's advice
Toy LaFollette: very true Lo..... these should happen more often
Lethe Naumova: so we should just make a point of having two people on the island if one is new
Tateru Nino: I do have one or two more personal things I'd like to say before letting you all start the gasbagging part of our gathering.
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Sean Gorham: but i can imagine the first question out of many volunteers' mouths being "ok, so what do i do now?" sound familiar? =)
Lethe Naumova: rabblerabblerabblerabble
Julliette Westerburg: amen
Lo Jacobs: In this conversation, many of us have pointed out how we personally handle things
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mm hmm Sean =)
Blueman Steele: funny the nobs say that too
Gwyneth Llewelyn: LOL
Sean Gorham: exactly.
Lo Jacobs: Which helps more than being told, in my opinion
Lethe Naumova: it's like raiiiiiiiin...
Sean Gorham: there's nothing wrong with having your own way of teaching. that's important, i feel. but getting a leg up on the basics can't hurt.
Tateru Nino: First thing is. Thankyou all. about 14,000 newbies so far this year. I know we did not handle all of them ourselves, but...wow. Great work.
Sean Gorham: especially for those who want to help, but don't know how.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: whew!!!
Lo Jacobs: Yar
Maxx Mackenzie: woot!
Moon Adamant: =D
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: wooo
Moon Adamant: whee =)
Lethe Naumova: any word from jeska on how many stuck around?
Maxx Mackenzie: of all my newbs only one turned sith, now that's a record! =D
Blueman Steele: get a leg up on the pile, and follow your dreams.. dial 55-55-55-585-SENORCARGAGE
Tateru Nino: Inworld populations seem to be about 30-50% up.
Maxx Mackenzie: wow
Lethe Naumova: guys, we need to be terrible mentors to keep the lag down
Maxx Mackenzie: well, for what its worth i'll be there, count on me and whatever i can do for you guys
Julliette Westerburg: hahah
Tateru Nino: Second, yes, we all have different styles. We all care deeply for the new folks, and feel very strongly about the right and wrong way of doing things. Respect each-other, and your fellow volunteer's shamanistic ways.
Blueman Steele: is anyone keeping a log?
Tateru Nino: We all do it differently, and our passions can lead to tensions.
Tateru Nino is, but I might have missed some of Sue.
Toy LaFollette loves LH IM's asking why there are guns in SL and sends them to Jessie =)
Blueman Steele: Follow your dreams.. they can come true... beef cake.. BEEFCAAAKE
Maxx Mackenzie: Snoogans
Tateru Nino grins. Some of us are stern and serious. Some of us are silly and fun-loving. Not all of us are good or fast typists.
Tateru Nino: Don't cut in on someone just because they can't keep up.
Cherry Charming: I think guns are in sl so those people who want to kill other people in real lifee can do it in sl instead =)
Blueman Steele: and escorts?
Maxx Mackenzie: O_o
Tateru Nino: What's good for the newbies is good for SL, and friction between us is NOT good for the newbies. Got a problem? File an AR or talk to Momma Tat.
Blueman Steele: watches as tehmeeting ends not with a whimper.. but with a bang
Toy LaFollette: =)
Tateru Nino: Got a problem with me? Talk to me, for FSM's sake.
Maxx Mackenzie: lol
Cherry Charming: lol
Lethe Naumova: ramen
Moon Adamant: Ramen!
Toy LaFollette: no problem here, Im not shy =)
Cherry Charming: I onlty said that to se if i got jumped by security gaurds
Maxx Mackenzie: btw, i think that also its important to point out something....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: May His Noodly Appendage Touch Us All!
Lethe Naumova: if I'm doing something you think I should do differently, IM me
Maxx Mackenzie: communication!
Blueman Steele: hey if anyone has an issue with me...... well.. it's probably a normal day
Lethe Naumova: so I can cuss you out =D
Lo Jacobs: Oh yeah one more thing that bugs me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Blue =D
Tateru Nino: Next meeting, 11pm 20 Jan SLT. Not all of you may make it, but others may. We'll keep shifting the time, and maybe the day a little.
Maxx Mackenzie: ask questions, dig, bother, all for the sake of more knowledge
Lo Jacobs: Why do some mentors feel that it's ok to berate other mentors?
Tateru Nino: I need to contemplate my eventual evolution into a Maniacal Dark Goddess, whose every random whim becomes unyielding brutal law
Tateru Nino: Ummm... Feel free to talk among yourselves for a minute.
Maxx Mackenzie: eh?
Maxx Mackenzie: berate?
Maxx Mackenzie: how come?
Lo Jacobs: Ok while Tateru is busy
Tateru Nino smiles. Basically. Meeting over. Cut loose. Chat.
Toy LaFollette: I wouldnt ever want to see that Lo
Blueman Steele: dance !
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: FINALLY
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: jk
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: lol
Angelique LaFollette: Berate=Criticice Vehemently
Gwyneth Llewelyn: =)
Moon Adamant: lol
Maxx Mackenzie: xD
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, Lo, you mean in public?
Maxx Mackenzie: lethe you rock =D
Gwyneth Llewelyn: In front of newbies?
Lo Jacobs: Hmm, I don't know -- it's never happened to me
Lo Jacobs: But other people have complained about it?
Moon Adamant: hmmm, Lo, have never yet seen anyone do that - does it happen?
Lethe Naumova: we're like doctors guys, never in front of the patient
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah. I haven't seen it yet
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope I never will
Maxx Mackenzie: neither here
Cherry Charming: START
Lo Jacobs: What about that guy who told someone to quit showing someone else how to dance?
Lo Jacobs: What was the situation there?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh!
Lo Jacobs: That sounds rally weird
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It does
Blueman Steele: What's wrong with shwoing someone how to dancE?
Sean Gorham: absolutely nothing.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed.... what's wrong with that person?!
Lethe Naumova: this is just a theory, but I'm guessing it wasn't one of us who told them to s top
Gwyneth Llewelyn:
Sean Gorham: i would venture to say - so long as it's ok to do in a PG sim, you can probably show or demonstrate it.
Blueman Steele: afk
Lethe Naumova: I don't care who you are, sound spamming will get an angry IM from me though. Fair warning
Lo Jacobs: Besides it is a skill in SL -- a small one, but still one that should be learned
Sean Gorham: yes. sound spamming is right out. leave that for the WA.
Julliette Westerburg:
Lo Jacobs: Heh well I haven't seen much of an issue with sound spamming so far ....
Sean Gorham: ESPECIALLY the ones we've heard 18,982,165 times.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And that only in the past month!
Sean Gorham: no kidding, gwyn.
Lethe Naumova: maybe we can use this time to bitch about stuff? Set aside 10 minutes right now? =D
Blueman Steele: I say we bitch
Julliette Westerburg: yes!
Lethe Naumova grumbles about kids these days
Sean Gorham: a little vent time can be good.
Blueman Steele: as youcan see... guys get porpositioned too
Tateru Nino: Up to you folks. I'm done with my bit.
Moon Adamant is selling her PC that doesn't play Blueman's sounds... =)
Toy LaFollette: someone called me a bitch once like it was a bad thing !!! =)
Maxx Mackenzie: ok, mentors that flee at the sign of a question
Lethe Naumova: screw all you people with cooler avatars than me!
Maxx Mackenzie: that irks me to no end >.<
Julliette Westerburg: hahah
Maxx Mackenzie: screw you Lethe i want that avatar! @.@
Tateru Nino: That would be a short list, Lethe. Hamlet thinks your av is very cool =)
Sean Gorham thinks Lethe's av IS the cool one.
Moon Adamant: lol
Lethe Naumova: time I spend outdoing you is time that I could be helping n00bs! >
Blueman Steele doesn't knwo how he's screw a darwinian
Angelique LaFollette: Like when people ask me if i'm Gay or something toy. Lol.
Toy LaFollette: yes hehehe
Blueman Steele: I got they guys card.... I think I got a date!
Moon Adamant: it's very cool - but my fave is still the penguin disguised asa chicken one =D
Gwyneth Llewelyn: oh pfft Blue =)
Sean Gorham: there we go. pet peeve - getting hit on by newbies. like... right at this meeting, for example. *cough*
Lethe Naumova: I've heard "gay" from mentors before, I'd rather not
Julliette Westerburg: yahoo Blue
Lo Jacobs nods at Lethe
Maxx Mackenzie:
Julliette Westerburg: that's a pet peeve of mine too Sean
Sean Gorham: yes. using "gay" as a synonym for "stupid" isn't something i'd consider professional, coming from a Mentor.
Tateru Nino: Concur!
Lo Jacobs: Yeah
Blueman Steele: yea that is like so gay
Maxx Mackenzie: brb, need a smoke
Gwyneth Llewelyn agrees!!
Angelique LaFollette: Well, I AM gay,, so if someone asks, the answer is Yes. Lol.
Sean Gorham: sadly, i think it's stuck as part of the language these days.
Toy LaFollette: I just tell them, hon, think about it.... there's n way in hell you could apy for my upkeep =)
Lo Jacobs: Ok I really need to run to the shop for a smoke real quick, be back in 5
Lethe Naumova: I don't take that as an excuse from mentors though sean (I do agree though)
Blueman Steele: nothing is stuck if you berate it enough
Sean Gorham: my solution to being hit on, if they won't stop, is to put on a guy av. they stop REAL fast then.
Tateru Nino: Not in this country thankfully, Sean. At least not in anyone over ten.
Angelique LaFollette: LOL.
Blueman Steele: oh btw! who here speaks other languages?
Lethe Naumova: not many people want to have sex with evil penguins and darwinians
Sean Gorham: as i said elsewhere earlier today - hit them where it counts - their homophobia.
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: i speak francais

Angelique LaFollette: I had a Lady friend,, she was always being Hit on,,
Moon Adamant: lol lethe
Lethe Naumova: I speak a little itallian, and everything google language tools speaks =D
Fairge Kinsella: Hey, I was wondering that last night, I was talking to a new lad who was asking about furry AVs, but he kept on typing anthropomorphic. Is furry a derogatory term?
Gwyneth Llewelyn raised hand to Blue's question
Sean Gorham: i don't think so, fairge.
Tateru Nino: Furry can be considered derogatory, as newbie can be.
Sean Gorham: i've used the term a lot and nobody has ever said boo to me about it.
Tateru Nino: It largely isn't except among the very sensitive.
Lethe Naumova: furry and anthro are actually different, I think =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ulrika uses the designation "animal-avatar" =)
Sean Gorham: i think it would depend on the context and who you use it around.
Fairge Kinsella: OK, is there an alternative easier to type than anthropomorphic so?
Moon Adamant: i guess not fairge - they use teh word freely
Toy LaFollette: its how it used I think, not the word furry itself
Angelique LaFollette: I told her to lead "Romeo"in my direction, then when he propositioned her in front of me, I'd go off on HER for cheating on me,,
Blueman Steele: if anyoen donens' tmidn being put on a call list. im me with what youseapk
Sean Gorham: "animal-avatar"? *eyeroll*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Sean!
Angelique LaFollette: Romeo would head for the hills. Lol.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, I'm not joking =)
Sean Gorham: puh-leeeze.
Lethe Naumova: here's a question for you guys
Sean Gorham hates political correctness.
Lethe Naumova: AR nude newbies who don't respond to polite requests for pants?
Stan Pomeray: don't furries refer to themselves as furries? or am I being very naive?
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: so we im you with the languages we speak blue?
Sean Gorham: they do, stan.
Blueman Steele: please
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: ok^^
Blueman Steele: IF you want to be conteacted
Angelique LaFollette: Some, Not all.
Blueman Steele: always getting dem der foren folks
Angelique LaFollette: Some prefer the term Plush, or Plushie.
Lethe Naumova: dey took our jerbs!
Lethe Naumova: plush is different, that much I know
Toy LaFollette: if I see anyone nude I IM them... it seems to get thru better
Blueman Steele: I am job
Stan Pomeray: I suppose you could just say "he is a.....cat" or whatever the animal is
Tateru Nino: If they don't respond to pants-requests or refuse pants, then I'm inclined to AR. Or you could rez an invisiprim if you are feeling mendacious, I guess.
Angelique LaFollette: I just say, "Nice Av" and leave it at that.
Lethe Naumova: censored bars =D
Blueman Steele: I think H.I. hosudl be all nude
Toy LaFollette: if you tell them outloud they tend to get defensive
Lethe Naumova: oh, maybe I should wear one of those, Darwinians gone wild, volume three!
Sean Gorham: pfft. naked is boring. i prefer creatively unclothed. that takes SKILL.
Moon Adamant: indeed Sean!
Lethe Naumova: does that mean mud wrestling? It means mud wrestling right?
Tateru Nino: Only if we can sell tickets.
Moon Adamant: LOL lethe
Lethe Naumova: I like the way you think!
Sean Gorham: funny you say that. i know of a place in SL that does mud wrestling.
Sean Gorham: ... what?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww we should do more "educational events"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mud Wrestling for Newbies.
Lethe Naumova: it came up in NCI group IM once
Moon Adamant: yup lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn is seriously needing some sleep
Angelique LaFollette: I had considered a Tour of the Mainland, with Selected sims and properties, chosen for their uniqueness.
Sean Gorham: that seems more like a greeter thing, doesn't it?
Lethe Naumova: Second Hell Tourbus olol
Blueman Steele: I take them to the edge and set them up with hot chicks
Angelique LaFollette: Newbies might like that.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
Blueman Steele: actually.. in all seriousness...I try to invluence very little.. I ask and respond to that
Blueman Steele: a few ideas suggestions.. but I ask them what they do in RL.. and then what they DON"T do in RL but wan tto
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah well, guys, this was fun. Tateru, thanks a lot for hosting this meeting!
Gwyneth Llewelyn goes to sleep
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Take care everybody!
Tateru Nino: Not a problem. Please submit itsems for next week.
Tateru Nino: *items
Stan Pomeray: 'night Gwyn
Julliette Westerburg: bye gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: bye all ...
Toy LaFollette: Im heading home, was great seeing everyone again =)
Lethe Naumova: until the greeter system goes live it's hard to get in touch with a greeter to hand a n00b off to
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: ok i should get back to doing what i was doing a while ago see y'all lata^^
Moon Adamant: bye Toy =)
Julliette Westerburg: if I'm ever around, you can use me Lethe
Moon Adamant: and bye Onna =)
OnnaYokai Yamabushi: byes =D
Lethe Naumova: might us mentors talk to jeska about joining greeters (so we can group IM maybe?)
Julliette Westerburg: bye Onna
Sean Gorham: gah. i already have trouble juggling groups.
Moon Adamant: ah yes, lethe - i don't know how to do that - unless is a greeter i know
Tateru Nino: I will leave you with a final thought...
Lethe Naumova: pie is tasty
Tateru Nino: (PG) does /not/ mean "Behave like you need adult supervision."
Moon Adamant: lol
Sean Gorham: right.
SuezanneC Baskerville: blue, do you still ask them for their credit card numbers, social security numbers, date of birth, and all that stuff you used to ask?
Blueman Steele: n-no... what? YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!
Sean Gorham: i tend to think of it this way: could you watch it on TV before 10 PM in america? if so, then it probably meets the PG criteria.
Tateru Nino grins. Thankyou again, dears.

Thanks for posting this Tat. If any mentor needs a greeter, they are free to IM me in game. If I not busy with something I can't let go, I will help. If I can't help or don't have time to do it right before logging, I will tell you so.

Also, the Lindens can tap into the greeter channel and IM us.

Heya guys - Sorry I missed the meeting, but thanks for posting the log, Tat!

I noticed one of the things that came up was the discussion over joining New Residents to the Shelter or NCI groups while on Help Island. I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.

I can't speak for Carl on NCI - but as far as the Shelter, I'd actually appreciate it if you didn't join New Residents up to the Shelter group before they've had a chance to get to know us.

I typically try to add folks myself after I've seen them 'return' to the Shelter, or if they ask me specifically. By doing it this way, it both cuts down on group spam from New Residents who don't understand how the group IMs work yet, and also ensures that the folks in the Shelter group actually want to be there.

Giving a landmark to folks, bringing them by, or simply telling them about us - that's fantastic. But the group invite.... not really neccesary.

I just wanted to get that out there, and give a big thanks as always for supporting us, everyone!

id like to see a option to teleport to either the shelter or nci when they leave hi instead of go to the horrid wa

It would be a nice idea, the only potential issue is that if every new resident decides to leave HI for the Shelter or NCI then both of those places could become as over-populated as the WA currently is. Not necessarily a problem, but if could impact the effective operation of both, and the owners of both places would need to check viability.

But you're right; the WA is not the nicest place in the world at times.

I'm not sure I can speak for Carl on NCI, either--but here's goes:

New Citizens Plaza is set up differently from the Shelter, in that there are a whole lot of things a newbie can use and learn from there that don't require anyone else's presence. So from that perspective, I'd not have any strenuous objections to people signing new players up for NCI on HI.

However--I'd like to avoid the politics and drama that come from any percieved favoritism to one group or another. I've also noticed that newbies seem to get the most out of NCI when they go their with a mentor or a greeter.

I'm okay with however you guys want to approach things. I'll be happy to contribute a notecard and LM--actually, I think Tateru already has ours.