Deal or decline

Can anyone tell me if the game "Deal or Decline" still allowed on Second Life.
Some people told me it is illegal, some people told me it is legal.

Who can give me the answer?

Hi. im the creator of deal or decline.

ok. i guess it could be one of those fine line things.

within the whole illegal thing it must forfil 3 things

1. Pay in
2. Random Number Generation to determine Outcome
3. Pay out dependant on that outcome

now. the fine line is there in number 2.

Deal or decline isnt fixed. nor does it rely on random number generation to determine
the outcome. it actually shuffle the set ammounts to different places and you win something no matter what.

the argument here is that the max payout is available at all times and the user has
a choice on their entire outcome.

many people feel that because of the fact that the game doesnt rely on this random number generator that it is or can be considered legal.

personally i give warning to anyone buying the full version that your taking a risk dependant on how quick to the gun the linden is.

so far ive never had someone come back and tell me that it has taken away. even a few have told me that the lindens took everything EXCEPT the deal or decline game.

i would assume that because of the recent increase of sales ive had for the full version that it most likely is considered legal.

Feel free to contact me (Kain Cleaver) if you wish to talk about it.

If you wish to purchase the game i have the entire set which has 7 different versions of the game. 2 of them being the full payout and the rest being pay per play or freeplay
the whole kit is 1000 and its Copy

I actually understood it to be defined as a game of chance involving any kind of betting.

To my mind that would make it illegal in SL.

The only way to get a 100% sure answer on this is to ask the Lindens.

I think if you play this Game without paying a Linden$ it is legal

:\ i must concur with some summation - 'does the participant have to 'pay-to-play' without guarantee of equal payout?' kain, i'm sorry you're hard work goes into something that ended up not playing out, but 'that's gambling'. :\

i've wondered about if these ol' gambilng games could be folded into 'lucky chair' wrappers... i've just made a 'lucky chair' for myself with some simple contests, but wonder about making nifty 'two participant' games (where it's 'invite a friend, play for the prize') out of it...

From what I've read, if the outcome is entirely based on skill then paying and winning lindens is ok.

So some things that are ok would be:
Sword fights, motorcycle racing, first person to complete a puzzle, treasure hunts.

Things that are not ok:
Picking the queen from 3 shuffled cards, guessing a random number, anything else where a random number is part of the outcome.

well dispite what may be thought of gambling. deal or declines havent really been being pulled by lindens.

the outcome isnt random. and it does require skill. the outcome is based on your choice and mathmatical equasion of the remainder of the balances. the entire game is controlled by the player. i believe thats why it hasnt been removed from places that are hosting them.

the cases totals dont move around per round. once they are in they are locked in.

but thats just my opinion. like i said. ive had many people tell me that they dont have problems and a few even tell me that lindens took everything EXCEPT the deal or decline.

I think this is an over simplification. Just that a game either pays out more than paid in or less than paid in is not the determiner. The line is drawn at the point where the player has control of his possibility of winning based upon skill or dexterity. Another words, is the player presented with an equal opputunity to win based upon how hard he concentrates and participates and if he can practice and get better. In playing a game that "shuffles" or randomly selects, limits the skill of the user to determine their chance of winning. It just ends up being luck. If the game does something that everyone has a fair shot at winning based upon clicking real fast or figuring out something, that is skill.

My thinking is Deal or Decline is illegal, based upon the shuffle and dispersment aspect. Something very similar but I feel would be legal is the Minefield game found in windows and many other OSs. Even though the game shuffles the mines, one can use their skill to find the mines through reasoning, trial and error and practice. Although it's still a close call.