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Biggest Illegal Online Gambling Service = SL

Chuchaki Slade
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Join date: 21 Apr 2007
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06-12-2008 03:50
I Abused Some games who uses "rely on chance or random number generation to determine a winner"

Support told me if i think a game is Illegal (not policy Conform i should send abuse reports.

I done this Last month 100times but Nothing Change.
So Linden Labs Supports the Illegal games and do nothing Against !!

Else Linden Labs is an Illegal Gambling Service !!
Robin Sprocket
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Join date: 5 Mar 2006
Posts: 11
Why?
06-12-2008 09:04
Why does this worry you so?
Minky Mousehold
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Join date: 5 Jan 2005
Posts: 382
my two cents worth
06-12-2008 23:49
Not possible for Linden Labs to check out on every single location in SL for illegal activity. They rely on residents who see it and report. They might come across some and do something about it but SL is big, not possible to weed out every single one.

This does not mean they Support it.

You not being caught, doesnt mean it is allowed.
Pygar Standish
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Join date: 15 Aug 2006
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06-13-2008 09:06
Heya,

Not sure why it bothers you (and personaly, I thought the original gambling ban was to be the death of SL) but it is possible the "gambling" you are reporting is legit under the rules the lindens made up.

When the Lindens "banned" gambling, the did so under pressure from outside sources, not because they hated gambling. They worded their gambling rules in such a way that some makers of SL games quickly found ways around the rules.... Slingo is the best example (I was so happy when I saw parrothead bay alive and well a few months ago), it seems that while slingo throws random numbers at you, you have to physicaly pick the numbers in order to win, so its a skill game.... other makers loopholed the money side of the rule by creating tipjars that would pop-up a disclamer that said you were just tipping the owner and didnt expect your money back, and when the game starts the tipjar puts the money into the game machine instead of you or other patrons.

So it's entirely possible that the lindens are looking into your reports, but only finding places that are using the new loopholes to have legit gambling. (and if my theory is correct, they really don't care)

NOW- having taken the time to patiently explain all that to you- I'm afraid I must tell you I despise people who snitch, and I despise people who stomp on others freedom in the name of "morality" or "decency". Trying so hard at this point to contain my opinions of you and not say something here that will get me banned.... I'l just finish by saying that not only do I not share your point of view on this subject, but your point of view here outrages me, and I bet (haha) that more people feel as I do about the subject as opposed to feeling like gambling in SL is a problem- so maybe from here on you should just keep your pie hole shut about the issue and find something else in SL to amuse yourself with besides taking it on yourself to "combat" gambling. k. thx. bai.
Kain Cleaver
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Join date: 24 Jan 2006
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06-13-2008 20:19
From: Pygar Standish


NOW- having taken the time to patiently explain all that to you- I'm afraid I must tell you I despise people who snitch, and I despise people who stomp on others freedom in the name of "morality" or "decency". Trying so hard at this point to contain my opinions of you and not say something here that will get me banned.... I'l just finish by saying that not only do I not share your point of view on this subject, but your point of view here outrages me, and I bet (haha) that more people feel as I do about the subject as opposed to feeling like gambling in SL is a problem- so maybe from here on you should just keep your pie hole shut about the issue and find something else in SL to amuse yourself with besides taking it on yourself to "combat" gambling. k. thx. bai.



AMEN BROTHA!!! :)
Nexii Malthus
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06-14-2008 03:38
Ah yes, I can feel the familiar presence of Denial Of Addiction in here. :)
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Champie Jack
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06-14-2008 13:50
From: Kain Cleaver
AMEN BROTHA!!! :)


I'll second that emotion
Ordinal Malaprop
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06-14-2008 14:02
Relying on chance to determine the winner of a game is not prohibited, even under LL's regulations; there has to be some sort of negotiable reward at the end of it. I can play Russian Roulette indefinitely if there is no transferrable prize (well, until every player is dead I suppose).

I have to say, mind you, that there are quite a few "Linden-legal" games out there to which an "official" response from any body trying to prohibit internet gambling would be (a) "ha ha ha" and (b) "no". It does not bother me personally as long as their use does not lag my sim, but, you know, if anyone _does_ ever care to take a look at SL, this could be an issue. Hopefully they will continue to think it beneath their notice, certainly compared to more professional sites.
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Kristian Ming
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06-14-2008 14:06
You fail at drama.
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06-14-2008 14:12
I am bad at it, yes.
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Bicky Burger
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06-16-2008 06:35
Indeed, it is not because a place looks like a casino, that it is a casino.
It's not becauce a game looks like a gambling game, it is a gambling game.
SL is a virtual world, there is always a roleplay element involved.

All depends on the rules and internal scripts a game or system is operating on.

There are many freeplay slotmachines out there in SL, that only rely on chance to determine the winner of the free L$, but are not agains the TOS because no payin is necessary. I think thats an old one everybody knows.

Other creative ways to organise gaming, like the pink slingo piggy, are no problem as long as it is within the TOS. Indeed, even more advanced systems are popping up.

If Linden Lab should have to follow every person's opinion on those systems, SL would be death in no time.

I'm glad Linden Lab tries to act like a judge, based on laws and rules (like the TOS) and judging avatars behaviour, content and the way scripts work based on those rules. It gives us a bit of reliability in a virtual world where no courts exist.

And eurm, one last thing: if you want to see another example of 'things are not always what they appear to be', come see my latest gamingsystem in BickyBeans Palace. I warn you: chances are big you will be more outrageous when you dont understand how it works! But if you need explanation, I will be happy to explain to you why this system is perfectly operating within the TOS.
Lear Cale
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06-16-2008 07:55
If *I* were making decisions at LL, my policy on gambling would be to whatever was necessary to avoid having credit card companies cut off funds transfers, and no more. Of course, I'd never be so foolish as to say so.