Casino Owners & Zyngo Games Resprcipted
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Lashing Druth
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09-08-2008 17:39
Hello All
Not one to complain much but has anyone else noticed that it seems the major Casinos in SL that have Zyngo machines have changed the odds lately ? I know it is impossible to prove but it seems about 8/9 days ago The machines I constantly played no longer have the same odds they once used to have. I have been thru over 35,000 lindens for a pay out of less than 5,000L and that is playing anywhere from 50L games to 1000L games. Prior to this winning was much more reliable.
I have spoken with a lot of other hard core players and they see the changes as well. As far as I can tell this is what I have been seeing. getting the devil 7 to 9 times per game and ALWAYS, without fail at round 19 or 20 if you have the game beat to win the devil will appear. Also 5 to 7 times per game no matching numbers at all. And the last major change I have noticed is 7 to 9 times the same number coming up...sometimes multiple times in a row and of course that number is useless.
I know there was some issue with Zyngo being gambling in the past and the casino owners I have talked to call it a game of skill...which it is NOT. So...I ask
Could the machines have been RESCRIPTED to set the odds in their favor even more than they were without the players knowledge? And does this seem fair to any one ? And what can be done about it ?
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Starfire Desade
Can I play with YOUR mind
Join date: 10 Jul 2006
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09-08-2008 18:36
From: Lashing Druth As far as I can tell this is what I have been seeing. getting the devil 7 to 9 times per game and ALWAYS, without fail at round 19 or 20 if you have the game beat to win the devil will appear. This is the RANDOM number generated part of this game which should make it illegal. You can NOT have any kind of skill game on a computer programmed game. It can be partially skill, but randomness has to be programmed in. Poker in RL consists of the shuffling of cards by a dealer and usually cut by a player. Poker on a computer means the deck is shuffled by a computer program (this includes LSL) and the cards dealt randomly by the same computer using a random number system. No matter the game, it is still random numbers which determine the winner.
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Crunch Underwood
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Join date: 25 Sep 2007
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09-08-2008 18:52
the devil is random and there is no way for anyone except argyle zymergy himself to change it (and he wouldn't). i can show you what the notecard from the insides of the machines look like if you want, just send me an IM. actually, send Dunkin Underwood an IM, he's my alt. you'll be able to see what the owners of the games can control and it's pretty much just score, payment, ect. ect. I would say seeing the devil come up more often is just your imagination...that bastard does come up at the worst times tho  -Crunch
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Briana Dawson
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09-08-2008 18:53
From: Lashing Druth I have been thru over 35,000 lindens for a pay out of less than 5,000L and that is playing anywhere from 50L games to 1000L games. *facepalm* 
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Avion Raymaker
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Join date: 18 Jun 2007
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09-08-2008 18:59
I own 2 Zyngo parlors, and for a while, my partner and I were about to give it up because the machines were paying out ridiculously like free ATMs. We are honest, but this is still a business and you have to be able to set the scores so that there is at least some semblance of a statistical trend, allowing the house to win predictably over time. I also notice that it changed, but, as you can see, from my perspective it appears to have been "fixed." There was an update to the game recently (perhaps it was maybe 9 days ago).
Zyngo owners do not have any control whatsoever over the inner workings of the machines. We can't see the scripts, and we have no ability to change them or cheat with them. Aargle, the Zyngo creator, is the only person who knows what is in the scripts.
I don't know scripting, but I do know that when SL gets updated, some scripts behave differently. This is why some devices need to be updated: because sometimes they simply break.
I know it's no fun from the players' perspective now that the free ride appears to be over, but it would have put all Zyngo houses out of business if something weren't done. (I don't know this for a fact, but it's a theory that fits what happened).
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Starfire Desade
Can I play with YOUR mind
Join date: 10 Jul 2006
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09-08-2008 19:45
The players are winning less? Same players? After an update? This just proves they aren't skill based. Shouldn't a player's skill increase with practice?
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Crunch Underwood
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Join date: 25 Sep 2007
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09-08-2008 20:35
the latest updates where created to stop a hack that had been created to cheat the machines by some SL residents. from memory it was only the zyngo wild machines.
-Crunch
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loan1wolf Turbo
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09-10-2008 00:22
damb ass not a hack zyngo it ok on run zyngo sl you r not in usa add i to i play game fun you not go to win on zyngo you need make hier 65000point you not do not play game pass 79900 the max you points you make you r lucky and free games not win L on games newb and pros players make 30k to 40k points all time new zyngo and zyngo not make cash you cash and 2 do not play to win not go to win and you do win big give up go home do not blow winings r you will loss all time
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Tegg Bode
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09-10-2008 03:05
From: Starfire Desade The players are winning less? Same players? After an update? This just proves they aren't skill based. Shouldn't a player's skill increase with practice? "Not one to complain much but has anyone else noticed that it seems the major Casinos in SL that have Zyngo machines have changed the odds lately ? I know it is impossible to prove but it seems about 8/9 days ago The machines I constantly played no longer have the same odds they once used to have. I have been thru over 35,000 lindens for a pay out of less than 5,000L and that is playing anywhere from 50L games to 1000L games. Prior to this winning was much more reliable." You weren't winning at all you were losing and still are losing, no reliability problem there  It's like playing a video game except you put more quarters in, it remembers your Avatar name and you have to play harder & harder levels  Really it's a gambling system code written by the owners or their partners and not subject to any regulating authority, do you really think the odds are as good as a real life gambling machine? You're better off putting that $130US on the horses or greyhounds. Of course not, please bend over as you buy your "chips" please.....................
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Cappy Frantisek
Open Source is the Devil!
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09-10-2008 18:24
If you think for one second there is any skill involved in any game in SL, I have a wonderful bridge over some water you can buy for cheap!
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Sasi Bomazi
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09-11-2008 11:12
From: Crunch Underwood the latest updates where created to stop a hack that had been created to cheat the machines by some SL residents. from memory it was only the zyngo wild machines.
-Crunch and since this update its harder to win? Sounds like the creators changed the odds which would not surprise me.
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Starfire Desade
Can I play with YOUR mind
Join date: 10 Jul 2006
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09-11-2008 11:19
From: Sasi Bomazi and since this update its harder to win? Sounds like the creators changed the odds which would not surprise me. But.. having odds makes it not a skill game.. hence making it illegal in SL.
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Dilbert Dilweg
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Join date: 27 Jun 2006
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09-12-2008 02:17
Casinos don't make money off of winners
It's a losers market
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Beezle Warburton
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09-12-2008 04:49
35,000 lindens for a pay out of less than 5,000L
BUAH HAH HAH HAH.
Idiot.
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McLovin Mai
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10-05-2008 14:25
No doubt I noticed the same thing. I play the exact same machines at one place with a payout of 2:1, score to beat 37777 on wyld zyngo. It was still a gamble but odds in the players favor. Suddenly this last week, week and a half ive noticed im loosing about 8-10 games now. Ive given up playing at game rooms and play my own machine for fun.
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Rocketman Raymaker
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10-05-2008 16:09
From: Cappy Frantisek If you think for one second there is any skill involved in any game in SL, I have a wonderful bridge over some water you can buy for cheap! Chess?
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Andy Grant
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10-06-2008 03:23
From: Rocketman Raymaker Chess? Hahaha, Chessmate.
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Cappy Frantisek
Open Source is the Devil!
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10-08-2008 13:09
From: someone Originally Posted by Cappy Frantisek If you think for one second there is any skill involved in any game in SL, I have a wonderful bridge over some water you can buy for cheap!
From: someone Originally Posted by Rocketman Raymaker Chess?
I should have prefaced this with ANY GAME YOU CAN WIN LINDENS. My bad!
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Andy Grant
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10-14-2008 07:39
From: Cappy Frantisek I should have prefaced this with ANY GAME YOU CAN WIN LINDENS. My bad! That lead to interesting conclusions if you play chess for money 
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Danielllo Bernard
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10-18-2008 08:15
I completely disagree. As a game parlor owner, i have noticed exactly the opposite. I'm noticing players scoring higher and higher then i've ever seen before. At least once a week now, a player scores over 100K on WYLD! 6 months ago i almost NEVER saw a score that high, but now it seems its easier to score higher.
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Cappy Frantisek
Open Source is the Devil!
Join date: 27 Oct 2006
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10-18-2008 09:39
From: Danielllo Bernard I completely disagree. As a game parlor owner, i have noticed exactly the opposite. I'm noticing players scoring higher and higher then i've ever seen before. At least once a week now, a player scores over 100K on WYLD! 6 months ago i almost NEVER saw a score that high, but now it seems its easier to score higher. Zyngo Wild was hacked, didn't you know? http://slfix.com/?p=459
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