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zyngo/slingo?

Xavion Zaurak
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05-31-2009 23:53
Can someone explain to me how is it slingo/zyngo isn't a form of gambling seeing how it requires money and is a form of bingo/slot machines last i checked bingo doesn't require skill and is won by luck and so is a slot machine so why isn't this game banned from sl?
Xavion Zaurak
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06-04-2009 13:59
If this is gambling which im pretty sure it is i recommend everyone who has a parol of these game and every renamed reskined version of it remove them asap other wise until someone can give me a reason or a LL offical statement saying it is legit with a believeable reason why it isnts gambling i'll be ARing the owners/ creators of these devices as atm they are illegal
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06-04-2009 14:38
The guy who sells these games has blarneyed LL into accepting them as a "game of skill".
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Mickey Vandeverre
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06-04-2009 16:07
From: Xavion Zaurak
If this is gambling which im pretty sure it is i recommend everyone who has a parol of these game and every renamed reskined version of it remove them asap other wise until someone can give me a reason or a LL offical statement saying it is legit with a believeable reason why it isnts gambling i'll be ARing the owners/ creators of these devices as atm they are illegal


And your official police title would be......?

Did you not get the memo about the traffic bots? asap? how are you coming along with those?
Andy Grant
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06-05-2009 05:33
If you guys ever wanna get LL to be clear on their policies and restrict them the proper way, tell LL to post a SPECIFIC policy about their interpretation of "acceptable/not acceptable" wagering.

Here's info about the difference between a game of chance and a game of skill:

From: someone

Game of skill
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A game of skill is a game where the outcome is determined mainly by mental and/or physical skill, rather than by pure chance.

One benefit of games of skill is that they are a means of exploring one's own capabilities. Games encourage the player to look at, understand, and experience things. They teach people lessons about themselves and possibly the world, and allow such insights to be passed on to others.

Most games of skill also involve a degree of chance, due to nature, a randomizing device (such as dice, playing cards, a coin flip, or a random number generator) or guessing by the players.

The distinction between "chance" and "skill" has legal significance in countries where chance games are treated differently than skill games. The legal distinction is OFTEN vague and varies widely from one jurisdiction to the next.


The issue here isn't wether this or that game is legal, it appears it is if it exists on the grid, the issue is: What is the policy ?

Below is a quote from: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2007/08/10/anti-gambling-policy-update-faq

From: someone

Games of pure intellectual or physical skill, such as puzzles or other skill contests, MAY not fall under this definition.


What does MAY not fall mean ? It MAY be the reason why there's such a great ??? around this subject among SL users and such an amount of Abuse Reports.

Go figure, people will spend time making games, and others will spend time doing abuse reports and waste a lot of time in the process.
Yozh Aristocrat
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06-07-2009 08:52
From: Andy Grant
If you guys ever wanna get LL to be clear on their policies and restrict them the proper way, tell LL to post a SPECIFIC policy about their interpretation of "acceptable/not acceptable" wagering


The problem is you can't get any of Lindens to answer your question. There is G-Team. But it seems they dont hold office hours any longer. Not even SL Wiki can help on this matter.

It looks like things are pretty unorganized in LL. And who, I wonder, makes the decision if a game is legal or not?
Argent Stonecutter
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06-07-2009 09:03
From: Yozh Aristocrat
And who, I wonder, makes the decision if a game is legal or not?
Whatever random G-team member happens to investigate.
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Sorina Garrigus
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06-26-2009 05:04
1st: "gambling" was never banned. Games of chance is what was banned.

2nd: It was banned along with slots, blackjack and the rest but was later re-reviewed and allowed. Details are locked away in the secret L files of linden labs I suppose.

3rd: The jokers are where the skill aspects are. Where to play, if to play them etc.

4th: People who abuse abuse reports are hurassing people and its the biggest issue in SL that keeps LL from improving things. People who go out of their way to hurass people for the sake of hurassing do not belong in SL and that kind of action should be legally treated as hurassment. Also they should get a life. People file ARs just be be an ass, or against a competitor using LL as pawns and an instrument of hurassment etc.

LL won't release an official statement saying any game is ok for liability reasons. Say later the game is greatly altered or something.

Unfortunately LL is very organized. For instance did you know that there is absolutely no wagering rules in TOS at all. So in reality a full blown slot machine really isnt violating TOS because nothing is there to violate. All the wagering information is hidden away in knowledge bases and blogs where no noobie will ever find it. LL made what is ok for games and what's not very very muddy. It's not the game makers or owners fault so dont AR them they are only going by LL's established precedents. Neither LL nor game makers are clear on whats ok so they just make their best guesses. Unfortunately LL is pretty random at times with their decisions. Some send back obviously skill games.

Lastly with some luck the laws that forced the bann will be over turned. Many consider them to be a violation of freedoms of residents of the US and violate various international trade treaties. Until then we have skill games.


From: Xavion Zaurak
Can someone explain to me how is it slingo/zyngo isn't a form of gambling seeing how it requires money and is a form of bingo/slot machines last i checked bingo doesn't require skill and is won by luck and so is a slot machine so why isn't this game banned from sl?