SL bans all gaming?

Today my skill based games Streetz, Gemdz and Dragonz where returned to me! Again the lindens are showing they just wanna kill gaming in all it's forms and LL just uses this casino ban to remove every aspect of gameplay provided by 3rd party and show they wanna claim a monopoly on games based on skill, and declaring even their own game called second life illegal in the us. If they find skill based games illegal they can't just say that second life itself is legal.

I informed myself about these games with their creator before placing them and was assured these games are as advertized skill based. A linden even advised him that a sign next to the games explaining the gameplay would make sure a linden would not just blindly go and remove objects that might look like a slot but are in no case a slot.

The lindens should stop these gestapo ressembling acts and should get their act together because they just use their blogpost to harras everyone just as they please.

How dou you block indecent lindens from your land?

There's much more, but we are just primitive animals that don't understand it, only the lindens are able to understand, we don't, so stop complaining!

"Residents of Second Life may not operate games which accept wagers, rely on chance or the outcome of real-life sports events to determine winners, *and* provide winnings in either Linden Dollars or any real-world currency or things of value."

So if they say Sudoku is banned, nomatter how you view it, your view is wrong!

Another good example wich we "primitive animals" don't understand is this:

"Another item that ****** returned is my L$1 ‘lucky dip’. Players pay L$1 for a random freebie."

It doesnt matter if its a freebie, if they say it's gambling, don't argue, they have a higher intelligence we are unable to understand!

Ok, end of sarcasm... we realy need to get some answers from lindens and they need to include this in both community standards and the TOS, eventualy fire some employees that cause trouble doing own actions instead of following the policiy wich was described in BLOG.

Well people making games should stop doing it because they get people in to trouble. Whatever the game might be, if it is a game, it's a risk to buy it because the lindens don't care about game you build or bought, if it's a game it's forbidden. The gambing policy was just an excuse to kill every game in-world.


So game builders : stop making games and stop trying to sell them! Every game sold in-world is a risk for the owner. Having a game wether its chess or a casino game! The lindens will remove it and they might even ban you for having chess on your land!

I think you are giving them far too much credit.

Someone probably thought they were doing good and reported your machines. For the Linden charged with "investigating" these reports, it is so much easier to just delete the machines than to spend the time to figure out that they are in fact in compliance with the gaming policy. I expect to resemble gestapo action requires far more effort and devotion than they want to or can afford it.

Unfortunately, I expect you have approximately no chance of a succesful appeal. *sigh*

I was prepared for lazy lindens and had a big info sign next to the games, wich clearly explained the games being skill games. It's indeed easier just to delete then rather read and in doubt contact the owner.

LL has to abide by the laws that govern them, and they will do what they think best to do that.

They will sometimes make mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes.

Type 1: Banning an activity that is in fact legal.
Type 2: Allowing an activity that is in fact illegal.

Sounds like you believe they have made a Type 1 mistake. Go talk to them about it. It certainly does no good to rant here.

There is also a

Type 3: Activities which might or might not be illegal depending on your point of view.

In those cases, LL's opinions will rule, since it is there world.

Like I already said their was a info sign that informed everybody about the nature of those games, so it was easy to not to make a mistake like type 1

And why do you think I rant overhere? Because they don't reply on my ticket. If it was actually so that this was a one time mistake I could understand but I'm not the only one.

So if they don't want me to rant here they need to answer my ticket wich they don't.

Hi

This type of action carried out by LL is absurb, they make rules, we follow them then they delete your items anyway. And with the way that policy was so broadly written, it could include anything as gambling, from land purchases to vendor purchases "IF" they so desired it to be. Sad really, but i am also believing some sharp attorney will pick up on the "legalities" of this and find an easy win in a real life court, making them alot of money and further hurting SL.

My heart goes out to you.....I hope you get some type of resolution and are allowed your NON Gambling games to be in world.

The owners of Second Life just did it on their own will, probably because they assumed it was, or felt threatened when the FBI saw that it had gambling areas in the game, but the FBI didn't do anything about it.

I have never played these games, but how is the winner determined? Are playing pieces randomly given to the player who must then use skill to put them into a winning combination? If so, that is still gambling. Any randomly generated game piece is illegal in SL now, if it is used for gambling. Chess and checkers aren't outlawed, because every time you sit down to a chess board every player has the same pieces placed on the board in the same order. Poker, even tho it is a "skill" game is considered gambling because the cards are randomly dealt.

So the question is, was there any random feature to your games?

Actually, the FBI announced that they had agents entering the game and would be looking at the situation. Now I don't think anyone can say that the gambling in SL was not in violation of US law, so, the only outcome of the FBI attention would be either "knock it off", "Mr. Linden come with us" or the best case scenario, "Oh it's not that big just ignore it". Is it your suggestion that the Lindens run a multi-million dollar corporation based upon the hope of the third (most unlikely) outcome. I truely hope they aren't running things that way...

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heh maybe it will give people a reason to get rid of those ugly ass malls full of slots

hi Bobo Decosta,

like i see your streetz are still online ) and i got new informations look at this:

[14:08] xxx Slade: they are played most often anyway
[14:06] xxx Slade: what about streetz /
[14:06] xxx Linden: devil may care w/o the pot payout
[14:06] xxx Linden: yes, streetz is fine
[14:06] xxx Linden: so is suduko
[14:06] xxx Slade: ok

only as an information to all of you)

and i know that then more of my games are legal for sure, like the newest one: PictZ

thx

your Talirion Lon