Second Life Forums Archive - End the "Stalking", allow privacy on SL

Kathmandu Gilman

Fearful Symmetry Baby!

Join date: 21 May 2004

Posts: 1,418

02-09-2006 00:22

Sometimes I just wanna pop on SL, look at something and pop back off. Instead I have customers and friends wanting to chat etc and i can't get anything done. Busy mode pisses them off or will cause them to map you and see why you aren't answering. You can't take people off your friends list without them getting this big, heartbreaking message that you are no longer friends when all it is you just don't want them to know when you are on 24/7.

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Torley Linden

Enlightenment!

Join date: 15 Sep 2004

Posts: 16,530

02-09-2006 00:44

This strikes a chord with me right now--because there are times I want to reply to all the queued IMs, but they're put immediately in front of me the next time I log on, with no way to simply tuck them aside for later, when I can reply assuredly with comfort. Often, I need to pop on and off to check things inworld very quickly. I don't like losing track of things, because then I end up not replying to peeps, which makes them unhappy... and I don't like to do that. Yet, I wish I could turn off my IMs periodically like a cellphone and localize more. Putting everything in its right place.

I can't say with any certainty at this point whether this will come true, but I have been sharing my opinions with other Lindens and discussions continue to come up in the process. Keeping it alive in the SL Forums for Residents of all ages will continue to light the flame.

Necessity is truely the mother of this invention.

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ColdFire Bigwig

Anthro Techi Dragon

Join date: 11 Dec 2005

Posts: 93

02-09-2006 07:39

Maybe a check box in the prfrences to allow an Anonyms login, so it will not show you as online untill you take it off, and will Hold the IMs till you turn it off?

cruiser Gilman

Registered User

Join date: 22 Apr 2004

Posts: 28

02-09-2006 07:52

I'd love to be able to log on quickly to check something out.

Yesterday, I got an email IRL that I recieved something from someone I didn't know, and logged for a second to check it out.

I rezzed in between two friends. Well, there went 5 minutes!! Enjoyable, but not what I'd intended.

There is, unfortunately, a "gotcha" with this concept. That is, as the title alludes to, the unfortunate problem that "annomonous" logon would facilitate wholescale 'stalking'.

Yes, there is the "invisible" device (which I find totally repugnant), but at least one knows when someone is in World (and most good detectors still show avatar presence).

Maybe some new type of "Busy" is a solution (i.e. "REAL Busy"

. Might let you work totally unmolested with no IM's or contact possible.

But, no "logged in" notice. I think not.

Just floating an idea.

Elvawin Rainbow

Registered User

Join date: 30 Aug 2005

Posts: 172

02-09-2006 08:38

Well you could always create an alt with no friends thats rude and obnoxious so nobody talks to you (oh wait thats me) well anyway and give them permissions to edit your stuff

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Marcus Moreau

frand

Join date: 25 Dec 2004

Posts: 602

02-09-2006 08:43

From: ColdFire Bigwig

Maybe a check box in the prfrences to allow an Anonyms login, so it will not show you as online untill you take it off, and will Hold the IMs till you turn it off?

I kind of like this. Another word for it would be "Invisible login". As soon as you turn it off in-world, it is as if you logged in - friends know you're there and you get all your backlogged IMs. I'm sure this has been discussed much in previous threads. Just stating my agreement.

MM

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User #121869 or something close

Kathmandu Gilman

Fearful Symmetry Baby!

Join date: 21 May 2004

Posts: 1,418

02-09-2006 12:06

From: Elvawin Rainbow

Well you could always create an alt with no friends thats rude and obnoxious so nobody talks to you (oh wait thats me) well anyway and give them permissions to edit your stuff

Heh, yes there is that solution and I have tried it but you can't really make anything without it being a major pain in the butt. Even though your alt has build permissions you can't link mixed objects. You need something from the main account you have to log them in and the purpose is defeated. Again shifting money around is an annoyance as well. If alts were a really good solution then people wouldn't be asking for this feature on a regular basis for years.

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Madame Maracas

Not who you think I am...

Join date: 7 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,953

Yes Please!

02-09-2006 16:25

If we were talking "sky's the limit" options I'd prefer something even a little bit more flexible.

I'd love to be able to log in and not be seen as online by anyone.
I'd love to choose whether or not IM's will pop up on me while in this state. (sometimes you might want to be able to handle drahma & biz as if from an offline IM and then get back to whatever, sometimes you really need 100% focus and nothing pulling your cursor or filling the screen)
I'd love to be able to have "tiers" within my calling card list such that I could choose who might be able to see me online and/or IM me while "hidden".

Let's say that there are 5 or 10 folks I'd want to hear from but no one else, or open it up to everyone or just a flagged, set of folks specific to that "hidden" session. I'm thinking of being able to use an organization system much like how gmail flags stored letters. I could then conceiviably select calling cards for just the folks in my "DJ's" or "Designers" or "Customers" or "Buddies" groupings and of that set, maybe 5 people overlap the different groups. Check boxes would allow for further refinement of the folks by which one could be contacted.

I'd also love to be able to select whether items/snaps dropped on me will pop up on the screen or maybe be minimized and flashing at the bottom, or just a text to me only notifier message. It's awful to be all focused in on something you're building and have some (fill in the blank) thing startle you, covering the page, make you shift your hand, release the prim, lose your place, etc. causing disaster, arythmia, desk pounding and other angst-ridden exhibitions.

The hidden function could certainly have griefers all drooly and such, so maybe it would only be useable on rented land? That would exclude folks, so I don't think that's too cool either. Maybe the thing to do is to only allow outbound IM's when the receipient is someone with which they've already exchanged calling cards or in responce to IM's initiated by others or by switching back to a non-hidden state.

For this to work, of course, it would need to be in Preferences so that one can select settings before one completes the login process.

I know it's a lot to ask but man oh man would it be helpful!

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Persephone Phoenix

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Join date: 5 Nov 2004

Posts: 1,012

Yes

02-09-2006 17:36

Love this idea!

From: ColdFire Bigwig

Maybe a check box in the prfrences to allow an Anonyms login, so it will not show you as online untill you take it off, and will Hold the IMs till you turn it off?

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Timeless Prototype

Humble

Join date: 14 Aug 2004

Posts: 216

02-10-2006 11:00

I strongly endorse any improvements to the IM system.

I don't want to miss the IMs and if my client crashes I lose it all. So I am panicked into giving the IMs priority over talking to the person in front of me.

I would like to see chat logs on my hard drive (optional setting in preferences). I'd like options to log them to folders by Name then by Date or Date then Name. Maybe even to my local database.

And yeah, IM overload is scary at times. When I log in, could everyone wait about 5 mins then IM me, kthxbye.

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MIRAGE Zephyr

Registered User

Join date: 12 Sep 2004

Posts: 45

02-10-2006 12:24

Ahhh how about an extendable timer? Not shown on line for xx min. Sorta like my microwave oven. 1 hit =10min ect. to a max of xx min.

The reasion i would like that is so i dont have to remember to turn it off when im ready.

Still anything is better than 14ims hitting me b4 ive evan rezed fully!

Xanshin Paz

Registered User

Join date: 24 Oct 2005

Posts: 17

hidden login option

02-10-2006 13:21

This could be a good idea, but best limited to when you are land you own or rent. This would lessen the stalking potential, and increase percieved property value. If you really want to, you should be able to 'pull in the welcome mat' on your little piece of SL if that's how you feel, but if you're in public, you should be all-in. Same for IMs.

In my own group of friends, we tend to ask first before popping in and , as far as I know, no one gets upset if they're told some version of 'not right now'. I'm not yet running a business, so I don't have the hassles connected with that.

Some of my best experiences in SL have happened after being 'dragged' into some 'obligatory' social situation.

End the "Stalking", allow privacy on SL
Kathmandu Gilman Fearful Symmetry Baby! Join date: 21 May 2004 Posts: 1,418	02-09-2006 00:22 Sometimes I just wanna pop on SL, look at something and pop back off. Instead I have customers and friends wanting to chat etc and i can't get anything done. Busy mode pisses them off or will cause them to map you and see why you aren't answering. You can't take people off your friends list without them getting this big, heartbreaking message that you are no longer friends when all it is you just don't want them to know when you are on 24/7. _____________________ It may be true that the squeaky wheel gets the grease but it is also true that the squeaky wheel gets replaced at the first critical maintenance opportunity.
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	02-09-2006 00:44 This strikes a chord with me right now--because there are times I want to reply to all the queued IMs, but they're put immediately in front of me the next time I log on, with no way to simply tuck them aside for later, when I can reply assuredly with comfort. Often, I need to pop on and off to check things inworld very quickly. I don't like losing track of things, because then I end up not replying to peeps, which makes them unhappy... and I don't like to do that. Yet, I wish I could turn off my IMs periodically like a cellphone and localize more. Putting everything in its right place. I can't say with any certainty at this point whether this will come true, but I have been sharing my opinions with other Lindens and discussions continue to come up in the process. Keeping it alive in the SL Forums for Residents of all ages will continue to light the flame. Necessity is truely the mother of this invention. _____________________
ColdFire Bigwig Anthro Techi Dragon Join date: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 93	02-09-2006 07:39 Maybe a check box in the prfrences to allow an Anonyms login, so it will not show you as online untill you take it off, and will Hold the IMs till you turn it off?
cruiser Gilman Registered User Join date: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 28	02-09-2006 07:52 I'd love to be able to log on quickly to check something out. Yesterday, I got an email IRL that I recieved something from someone I didn't know, and logged for a second to check it out. I rezzed in between two friends. Well, there went 5 minutes!! Enjoyable, but not what I'd intended. There is, unfortunately, a "gotcha" with this concept. That is, as the title alludes to, the unfortunate problem that "annomonous" logon would facilitate wholescale 'stalking'. Yes, there is the "invisible" device (which I find totally repugnant), but at least one knows when someone is in World (and most good detectors still show avatar presence). Maybe some new type of "Busy" is a solution (i.e. "REAL Busy". Might let you work totally unmolested with no IM's or contact possible. But, no "logged in" notice. I think not. Just floating an idea.
Elvawin Rainbow Registered User Join date: 30 Aug 2005 Posts: 172	02-09-2006 08:38 Well you could always create an alt with no friends thats rude and obnoxious so nobody talks to you (oh wait thats me) well anyway and give them permissions to edit your stuff _____________________ "Off with their Heads"
Marcus Moreau frand Join date: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 602	02-09-2006 08:43 From: ColdFire Bigwig Maybe a check box in the prfrences to allow an Anonyms login, so it will not show you as online untill you take it off, and will Hold the IMs till you turn it off? I kind of like this. Another word for it would be "Invisible login". As soon as you turn it off in-world, it is as if you logged in - friends know you're there and you get all your backlogged IMs. I'm sure this has been discussed much in previous threads. Just stating my agreement. MM _____________________ Marcus Moreau Disenfranchised island owner... "This statement is false." User #121869 or something close
Kathmandu Gilman Fearful Symmetry Baby! Join date: 21 May 2004 Posts: 1,418	02-09-2006 12:06 From: Elvawin Rainbow Well you could always create an alt with no friends thats rude and obnoxious so nobody talks to you (oh wait thats me) well anyway and give them permissions to edit your stuff Heh, yes there is that solution and I have tried it but you can't really make anything without it being a major pain in the butt. Even though your alt has build permissions you can't link mixed objects. You need something from the main account you have to log them in and the purpose is defeated. Again shifting money around is an annoyance as well. If alts were a really good solution then people wouldn't be asking for this feature on a regular basis for years. _____________________ It may be true that the squeaky wheel gets the grease but it is also true that the squeaky wheel gets replaced at the first critical maintenance opportunity.
Madame Maracas Not who you think I am... Join date: 7 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,953	Yes Please! 02-09-2006 16:25 If we were talking "sky's the limit" options I'd prefer something even a little bit more flexible. I'd love to be able to log in and not be seen as online by anyone. I'd love to choose whether or not IM's will pop up on me while in this state. (sometimes you might want to be able to handle drahma & biz as if from an offline IM and then get back to whatever, sometimes you really need 100% focus and nothing pulling your cursor or filling the screen) I'd love to be able to have "tiers" within my calling card list such that I could choose who might be able to see me online and/or IM me while "hidden". Let's say that there are 5 or 10 folks I'd want to hear from but no one else, or open it up to everyone or just a flagged, set of folks specific to that "hidden" session. I'm thinking of being able to use an organization system much like how gmail flags stored letters. I could then conceiviably select calling cards for just the folks in my "DJ's" or "Designers" or "Customers" or "Buddies" groupings and of that set, maybe 5 people overlap the different groups. Check boxes would allow for further refinement of the folks by which one could be contacted. I'd also love to be able to select whether items/snaps dropped on me will pop up on the screen or maybe be minimized and flashing at the bottom, or just a text to me only notifier message. It's awful to be all focused in on something you're building and have some (fill in the blank) thing startle you, covering the page, make you shift your hand, release the prim, lose your place, etc. causing disaster, arythmia, desk pounding and other angst-ridden exhibitions. The hidden function could certainly have griefers all drooly and such, so maybe it would only be useable on rented land? That would exclude folks, so I don't think that's too cool either. Maybe the thing to do is to only allow outbound IM's when the receipient is someone with which they've already exchanged calling cards or in responce to IM's initiated by others or by switching back to a non-hidden state. For this to work, of course, it would need to be in Preferences so that one can select settings before one completes the login process. I know it's a lot to ask but man oh man would it be helpful! _____________________ RadioRadio - http://radioradiosl.com M 6 Hobbes Abattoir T 7 Sezmra Svorag W 4 Brian Mason W 6 Moira Stern W 8 Nala Galatea Th 6 Chet Neurocam F 6 Vertigo Paris F 9 Madame Maracas S 5 Madame Maracas S 8 TriNala Su 6 Trinity Serpentine http://madamemaracas.wordpress.com - Madame Maracas Blaaagh Plurk - http://www.plurk.com/user/MadameMaracas
Persephone Phoenix loving laptopvideo2go.com Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,012	Yes 02-09-2006 17:36 Love this idea! From: ColdFire Bigwig Maybe a check box in the prfrences to allow an Anonyms login, so it will not show you as online untill you take it off, and will Hold the IMs till you turn it off? _____________________ Events are everyone's business.
Timeless Prototype Humble Join date: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 216	02-10-2006 11:00 I strongly endorse any improvements to the IM system. I don't want to miss the IMs and if my client crashes I lose it all. So I am panicked into giving the IMs priority over talking to the person in front of me. I would like to see chat logs on my hard drive (optional setting in preferences). I'd like options to log them to folders by Name then by Date or Date then Name. Maybe even to my local database. And yeah, IM overload is scary at times. When I log in, could everyone wait about 5 mins then IM me, kthxbye. _____________________ - Timeless llDetectedTouchPos()
MIRAGE Zephyr Registered User Join date: 12 Sep 2004 Posts: 45	02-10-2006 12:24 Ahhh how about an extendable timer? Not shown on line for xx min. Sorta like my microwave oven. 1 hit =10min ect. to a max of xx min. The reasion i would like that is so i dont have to remember to turn it off when im ready. Still anything is better than 14ims hitting me b4 ive evan rezed fully!
Xanshin Paz Registered User Join date: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 17	hidden login option 02-10-2006 13:21 This could be a good idea, but best limited to when you are land you own or rent. This would lessen the stalking potential, and increase percieved property value. If you really want to, you should be able to 'pull in the welcome mat' on your little piece of SL if that's how you feel, but if you're in public, you should be all-in. Same for IMs. In my own group of friends, we tend to ask first before popping in and , as far as I know, no one gets upset if they're told some version of 'not right now'. I'm not yet running a business, so I don't have the hassles connected with that. Some of my best experiences in SL have happened after being 'dragged' into some 'obligatory' social situation.

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