Second Life Forums Archive - putting 1.7 on main grid so soon

Julianna Pennyfeather

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10-22-2005 18:15

First of all there are still lots of bug issues on the preview cant believe they are putting it on the main grid so soon. how about constant crashes at duplicating trees that is still there and some of the testing modules i found bugs in why the rush Lindens???? i see very few improvements nothing the common person can use why not just keep 1.6 on the main grid for a while longer til you have bugs worked out of 1.7 ? i guess we can compare 1.7 to Microsoft ME. remember how microsoft forced MS ME on the market bugs and all. it did not last long before xp came along.
so Govt Linden are you going to imitate Bill Gates think there is a certain similiarity in this case between you two and put something on the main grid that is not ready to be put there for all to use.
well folks prepare to crash constantly with 1.7 when it hits the main grid and prepare for things to not work worse than 1.6 and previous versions.
or shall we compare 1.7 to Ford though i had a good ford i have heard the acronymn for Ford is fix and repair daily well think we can give an acronymn to 1.7 and that is crash and reboot hourly.

Malachi Petunia

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10-22-2005 18:28

Like almost every prior release of SL, you can expect one or two "emergency" patches in the first week or so of the release of v1.7.

In general, it is difficult to release bug free software; for LL which uses its customers as testers, it is harder still. There comes a point when code has to be pushed out the door because number of bugs approaches zero as time approaches infinity. Some firms (e.g. Rockstar) seem to produce games that are so well tested that they rarely get past the 1.0 release. Linden Lab isn't quite as assiduous; then again Linden Lab doesn't have tens of millions of customers per title, either.

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Nathan Stewart

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10-22-2005 19:12

Erm what tree bug, It was fixed in build 44 (Oct 13th)

"Duplicating trees from the Library no longer causes crashes."

I've just been on and cant reproduce this, duplicating and copying trees works perfect for me for all the ones in the library, so what kind of tree are you having trouble with?

I've seen many sim/client crashes in this preview all of which have been fixed and closed, that doesnt mean there wont be any as has been said before there is the undiscovered which is one of the reasons to goto the maingrid, as far as what still known on preview these are smaller bugs, most can be seen here https://secondlife.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Preview+Known+Issues although its slightly out of date.

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cua Curie

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10-22-2005 19:48

yeah, 1.7 is ready...

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Torley Linden

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10-22-2005 19:52

^ I got that, in watermelon colors when editing land... but... it should have been fixed now.

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Nathan Stewart

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10-22-2005 20:05

Thats probably one of my favorite minor bugs, nothing like turning the land rainbow when you use landowners, and as the second poster said there is a time when you have to release or you will spend months working on minor bugs and retesting, because with the small test base it takes so much longer to get reports in, when in the field you get more results, and hopefully we have covered most of the major issues in preview, its quite a balancing act

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Lo Jacobs

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10-22-2005 21:05

I always appreciate your wonderfully positive and upbeat posts, Julianna. You are a treasure to the Second Life community.

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Gryphe Padar

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10-23-2005 04:31

The entire community is going to be a bugtester for a while. Not a nice tactic to use, but often done. Quite efficient, really. I agree with Nathan in this thread.

Kazuo Murakami

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10-23-2005 20:10

From: Gryphe Padar

The entire community is going to be a bugtester for a while. Not a nice tactic to use, but often done. Quite efficient, really. I agree with Nathan in this thread.

Considering LL still calls SL just a giant beta (usually this occurs when they cannot fix something), I doubt any of us are that surprised by this.

SuezanneC Baskerville

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10-23-2005 22:14

From: Julianna Pennyfeather

we can give an acronymn to 1.7 and that is crash and reboot hourly.

Starting with a number and ending with a phrase is not how acronym giving works.

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Usagi Musashi

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10-24-2005 07:07

Those who remeber 1.6 back a bunch of moons ago. The Nightmarish few updates. Well this is should not be as bad, but as it was said above. Well have a few patches to fix problems during the first few days. But then again why keep on previewing when at the moment its the best it can get, without having the true testing happen during real time usage.

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Darkness Anubis

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10-24-2005 12:45

And let us not forget 1.5. Even one of the Lindens admitted that one was junk.

Be patient it does all get worked out. Question is will we all have ripped our hair out before it is.

putting 1.7 on main grid so soon
Julianna Pennyfeather Registered User Join date: 19 Aug 2004 Posts: 136	10-22-2005 18:15 First of all there are still lots of bug issues on the preview cant believe they are putting it on the main grid so soon. how about constant crashes at duplicating trees that is still there and some of the testing modules i found bugs in why the rush Lindens???? i see very few improvements nothing the common person can use why not just keep 1.6 on the main grid for a while longer til you have bugs worked out of 1.7 ? i guess we can compare 1.7 to Microsoft ME. remember how microsoft forced MS ME on the market bugs and all. it did not last long before xp came along. so Govt Linden are you going to imitate Bill Gates think there is a certain similiarity in this case between you two and put something on the main grid that is not ready to be put there for all to use. well folks prepare to crash constantly with 1.7 when it hits the main grid and prepare for things to not work worse than 1.6 and previous versions. or shall we compare 1.7 to Ford though i had a good ford i have heard the acronymn for Ford is fix and repair daily well think we can give an acronymn to 1.7 and that is crash and reboot hourly.
Malachi Petunia Gentle Miscreant Join date: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 3,414	10-22-2005 18:28 Like almost every prior release of SL, you can expect one or two "emergency" patches in the first week or so of the release of v1.7. In general, it is difficult to release bug free software; for LL which uses its customers as testers, it is harder still. There comes a point when code has to be pushed out the door because number of bugs approaches zero as time approaches infinity. Some firms (e.g. Rockstar) seem to produce games that are so well tested that they rarely get past the 1.0 release. Linden Lab isn't quite as assiduous; then again Linden Lab doesn't have tens of millions of customers per title, either. _____________________
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	10-22-2005 19:12 Erm what tree bug, It was fixed in build 44 (Oct 13th) "Duplicating trees from the Library no longer causes crashes." I've just been on and cant reproduce this, duplicating and copying trees works perfect for me for all the ones in the library, so what kind of tree are you having trouble with? I've seen many sim/client crashes in this preview all of which have been fixed and closed, that doesnt mean there wont be any as has been said before there is the undiscovered which is one of the reasons to goto the maingrid, as far as what still known on preview these are smaller bugs, most can be seen here https://secondlife.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Preview+Known+Issues although its slightly out of date. _____________________
cua Curie secondlifes.com/***** Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 196	10-22-2005 19:48 yeah, 1.7 is ready... _____________________ "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	10-22-2005 19:52 ^ I got that, in watermelon colors when editing land... but... it should have been fixed now. _____________________
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	10-22-2005 20:05 Thats probably one of my favorite minor bugs, nothing like turning the land rainbow when you use landowners, and as the second poster said there is a time when you have to release or you will spend months working on minor bugs and retesting, because with the small test base it takes so much longer to get reports in, when in the field you get more results, and hopefully we have covered most of the major issues in preview, its quite a balancing act _____________________
Lo Jacobs Awesome Possum Join date: 28 May 2004 Posts: 2,734	10-22-2005 21:05 I always appreciate your wonderfully positive and upbeat posts, Julianna. You are a treasure to the Second Life community. _____________________ http://churchofluxe.com/Luster
Gryphe Padar Registered User Join date: 4 Jul 2005 Posts: 14	10-23-2005 04:31 The entire community is going to be a bugtester for a while. Not a nice tactic to use, but often done. Quite efficient, really. I agree with Nathan in this thread.
Kazuo Murakami Sofa King Join date: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 359	10-23-2005 20:10 From: Gryphe Padar The entire community is going to be a bugtester for a while. Not a nice tactic to use, but often done. Quite efficient, really. I agree with Nathan in this thread. Considering LL still calls SL just a giant beta (usually this occurs when they cannot fix something), I doubt any of us are that surprised by this.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	10-23-2005 22:14 From: Julianna Pennyfeather we can give an acronymn to 1.7 and that is crash and reboot hourly. Starting with a number and ending with a phrase is not how acronym giving works. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	10-24-2005 07:07 Those who remeber 1.6 back a bunch of moons ago. The Nightmarish few updates. Well this is should not be as bad, but as it was said above. Well have a few patches to fix problems during the first few days. But then again why keep on previewing when at the moment its the best it can get, without having the true testing happen during real time usage. _____________________ Never Quote People that have no idea what they refering to..It give them a false feeling the need for attention...
Darkness Anubis Registered User Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,628	10-24-2005 12:45 And let us not forget 1.5. Even one of the Lindens admitted that one was junk. Be patient it does all get worked out. Question is will we all have ripped our hair out before it is.

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