HTML in 1.7

Ok this is not a suggestion thread for HTML in 1.7. If this thread is off target please also purge it.

The purpose of this tread is to specificaly discuss HTML in 1.7 and the testing of HTML in 1.7 only.

Cat

HTML in 1.7

I would like to talk about the procedures of implementing HTML on a prim. As no information is available on this subject as yet.

? Does anyone have any pertinent information on this subject to add?

? Does anyone know if DHTML, XML... will also be permitted?

? Will streaming media also be viewed on a prim, if it is viewable on a web?

Thanks

Cat

Presuming this isn't my memory failing, I believe they are stripping down Firefox, and if Firefox is present on the system it can use that instead. But how they will configure it I don't really remember.

First off, we would have to test XHTML copatability.. XHTML 1.0/1.1 must be perfect.

Then you have to consider HTML 4 which a number pages that are still in operation were designed for.

Considering they are using the same code that powers firefox and mozilla, I would hope it's up to par.

There are bound to be a whole host of interesting features that come along with this that need to be tested.. html notecard rendering... page retrieval.. You have to wonder if sloppy HTML will upset it.. depending on the process. Will it bork at javascript of any sort or just ignore it? Are there any malicious attacks possible? ;0 We must ask these questions!

As much as I hate flash... flash on a prim would be kinda cool.

java drool Ok but seriously what about embedded objects do you think they will show as they are meant to? How about forms do you think they will be interactive as they are designed to be. I am hoping it's not just straight html. Right now the doors are realy wide and my mind is thinkiing up the possibilities. I cant wait to just start testing these out

Cat

I'll try and get some data for folks soon - information is always a good step

THanks vektor!

Thanks Vektor! So far I gather the following is true?

Work is now underway on the Firefox-powered features. Development will proceed along the following "road map":
# static external webpage in 2D browser, no interaction.
# static external webpage on prim surface, no interaction
# update URL for primitive, all viewers get update
# LSL call to set URL for primitive
# webpage from script/notecard/typed-in HTML
# interactive web page in 2D

Yes, no, maybe so?

Cat

Catherine, if you haven't seen the chat from our recent town hall on the subject, it is available here:

/3/ae/51046/1.html#post540328

I hope you can all forgive me for my lag in response time lately, I have been swamped getting ready for 1.7...

As well, if the forum thread that I pointed you to doesn't answer all of your questions, please feel free to redress them here and I will reply to the best of my abilities.

All my best,

Vek

I'd like to see better (graphical) buttons for Back, forward, home, etc - these are pretty basic with any browser for ease of us.

I've posted my extensive thoughts on HTML in SL here:
http://thesecondopinion.blogspot.com/2005/06/html-in-sl-better-than-havok-2.html

It's from a user perspective, though certainly developers will want to consider what players will want a feature can do while developing it.

The above is taken from the Townhall with James.

Think about possible limits:

Limited to a single URL on your own land(as with streaming movies/audio)

Only one webpage on a single plot would severly limit it's use, you could have a single info page? An interactive map? But nothing more. just one single url.

Limited to only on your own land

You could have many uses for this. Many different webpages, control panels, events info, etc..

But not mobile. You could not use it in objects that move around, Avatar attachments, Vehicles, Game items that can be used anywhere.

Use it anywhere:

This would be the most flexiable way to impliment it. Yes it could swamp SL with webpages. But is that a reason to cripple it?

Be carefull you don't make HTML as usefull as a brick is as a swimming aid. Give us freedom to be creative then limit it if needed later

Gecko is the lightweight rendering engine that Firefox uses. It is the code responsible for reading html and displaying it. Since it was said, that anything that renders in Firefox natively will render in SL, it's safe to assume they are using Gecko. For the 2D browser I would think Gecko wasn't touched at all, and therefore the 2D browser should render webpages exactly the same as a standard Firefox install with no plugins.

Gecko has nice hooks into it, so LL can make the user interface really look anyway they want. None of which effects the way the browser renders pages.

Isn't that what I said with less text? *confused* ;0 But yes, you are right!

It is. And it's already here. Quicktime can decode most flash movies, as soon as quicktime streaming movies came to SL I spent entirely too much time streaming "all your base" and "badgers badgers badgers" to my parcel... almost every "flash movie" I've tried has worked fine - Interactive flash however, does not.

they said you can turn it off in oprion if its going to casue you slow downs

thanks Vek im up to speed on this

Cat