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Pratyeka Muromachi

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Join date: 14 Apr 2005

Posts: 642

03-01-2006 15:18

Thanks to this new update, now I barely see the other end of my land. Before this update, my setting were full on object details, full tree details and full avatar details. Distance to 250m. My fps would be between 15 and 45, if I didn't use local lighting, life was pretty good.

Now, my settings are lowest on the three details and set to reduce distance if below 15fps. I watch the mini map and the distance constantly vary and the fps "tries" to maintain 15fps... the distance goes down to 64m, and the fps goes down to 3.... then goes back up to around 15fps and the distance to around 100m. It cycles every 10-15 seconds....

I read the development update post of today and stopped reading halfway through, I'm giving up.

Activate the previous version, take back the current fully bugged
version and trash it. Please start from scratch this time. Each new version reduces what I can do and see. It's supposed to improve the product, not render it unuseable.

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Kamatz Kuhr

Greifer

Join date: 8 Jul 2005

Posts: 64

03-01-2006 22:03

Second. FPS is being highly, highly unstable for me now as well. For no clear reason at all, it seems to swing widly between high readings of around 40, down to around 5 which is agony to even /chat/ in. Normally I get readings between 12 and 26, never extremely high or low like now. It got down to the point that it was /staying/ below 1 FPS before I threw my hands up for the night. In sum, all I have to say is "Way to go, Dev team!"

Slim Warrior

SLimvisible

Join date: 25 Nov 2005

Posts: 56

Me too

03-03-2006 09:58

Wildly fluctuating Bandwidth 12 up to 479 and fps darting between 2.9 and 3.7 today.
That' s standing in one spot. If I fly up, the fps jumps to between 24 -28. The Bandwidth meter loses the plot completely and is all over the place. My usual is around 13-15 fps.

Rezzing of opbjects incl land takes a long long time and some great texture flash displays.
Security fences from neighbours tell me to get off my own land.
I managed to return my neighbours objects, but from her land, not mine... *oops*
Search feature in inventory takes forever find while inventory loads, sloowly
so far am not impressed with the update!
Slim

Karen Linden

Dev. Program Manager

Join date: 25 Jul 2005

Posts: 396

Are these problems with 1.8.4.6 or 1.8.4.7

03-05-2006 13:16

There was a known issue with viewer FPS in 1.8.4.6.

Can you confirm you are continuing to see these issues with 1.8.4.7? Thanks!

Jackal Ennui

does not compute.

Join date: 25 May 2005

Posts: 548

03-05-2006 14:06

Yep, I'm seeing FPS and texture loading issues too, with 1.8.4(7). Texture loading was notably faster before that update; now some textures take notably longer to load. FPS is lower, down from ~10-15 to ~6-8, and camera movement is shaky. All graphic options except "shiny" are turned off.

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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Join date: 22 Dec 2003

Posts: 14,229

03-05-2006 16:44

The gray loading textures last longer and longer. Rendering is extremely slow.

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Sabrina Doolittle

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Join date: 15 Nov 2005

Posts: 214

03-05-2006 17:24

I climbed on the Whine Wagon after the previous update for the first time (member since November) and I'm sorry to say, I'm climbing on it again for this update.

I have upgraded my motherboard, graphics card after the last upgrade, and am now throwing even yet more RAM at my PC to cope with the performance demand of this upgrade. My original syste, was within spec, btw.

I love SL, and I'd certainly call myself a LL supporter and not a detractor in any way. But I am honestly starting to feel like Wednesdays are "What hardware upgrade do you need today?" day.

Eep Quirk

Absolutely Relative

Join date: 15 Dec 2004

Posts: 1,211

03-10-2006 05:58

From: Pratyeka Muromachi

Thanks to this new update, now I barely see the other end of my land. Before this update, my setting were full on object details, full tree details and full avatar details. Distance to 250m. My fps would be between 15 and 45, if I didn't use local lighting, life was pretty good.

Now, my settings are lowest on the three details and set to reduce distance if below 15fps. I watch the mini map and the distance constantly vary and the fps "tries" to maintain 15fps... the distance goes down to 64m, and the fps goes down to 3.... then goes back up to around 15fps and the distance to around 100m. It cycles every 10-15 seconds....

I read the development update post of today and stopped reading halfway through, I'm giving up.

Activate the previous version, take back the current fully bugged
version and trash it. Please start from scratch this time. Each new version reduces what I can do and see. It's supposed to improve the product, not render it unuseable.

It's odd you're only noticing this NOW since, in actuality, SL's been having serious lag issues since version 1.7...

Daeshana Sapeur

Registered User

Join date: 22 Aug 2005

Posts: 3

One thing leads to another...

03-10-2006 15:49

The main point is that texture loading and loading of well, anything has become direly slow. This is from the asset server that was allocated for the number of available users back in 1.6.8 or so which has nearly doubled now along with base graphics upgrades. Basically we're trying to cram too much stuff down the same pipe, the asset server and inventory servers need upgrades says I

Tetrae Turner

Registered User

Join date: 14 Sep 2005

Posts: 36

03-15-2006 07:33

It's very strange, since my framerate has vastly improved and lag has almost vanished since upgrading to 1.8.

Of course, now that we're moving to Ver. 1,9, I have this horrible feeling that it's about to go to hell again.

Carcinoma Cleaver

Registered User

Join date: 8 Mar 2006

Posts: 1

Forget the lag what about the log

03-15-2006 14:18

If you think it sucks for you guys i can't even log onto SL anymore after that stupid update and i've never had any problems with logging in until now, it keeps saying to go to the support page but there's so many subcategories i'm get extremely frustrated with it. It would be better if this update didn't exist.

Alexandra Draper

Registered User

Join date: 21 Sep 2005

Posts: 8

Fps Sucks!!!!

03-16-2006 08:56

If i get 3 fps these days, im so damn excited i can't stand it!!! My partner who is a Mac user, can't even walk or chat now. He WAS going to buy a sim, till the 1.8 version.....now he can't even play. The game play is so horrible now, it is ridiculous

Sara Sullivan

Registered User

Join date: 21 Nov 2005

Posts: 211

Slower and slower for me as well

03-16-2006 12:16

I have noticed the same behavior as well, I cant see very far, it takes along time to load, ( with an almost barren island) and I jerk and stop and almost cant control my AVI most of the time, I know my PC isnt exactly a screamer with 2 gigs of RAM
but performance in SL shouldincrease NOT decrease, if this doesnt get better in the nex rlease or two I guess Ill have to leave SL and ID hate that but Im having a harder time playing myself
Whats going on?
If we need more RAM, video or whatever why cant we be warned?

Usagi Musashi

UM ™®

Join date: 24 Oct 2004

Posts: 6,083

03-16-2006 17:35

I am running better then ever now with 1.9. Speed is better with less stress then in past clients. Problem is my home point. FPS is more stable then befor infact. i am at 45fps and 35fps dils are .99 to 75..........
It might all be Line based or your system. To me Its seems the system and lines are causing these problems then the client its self.

Shirley Marquez

Ethical SLut

Join date: 28 Oct 2005

Posts: 788

1.9 is a BIG improvement here -- especially on the laptop

03-16-2006 20:18

My frame rate is no great shakes -- I'm happy when I get above 5fps on this little thing. (Blame the integrated graphics. My desktop is much better, but sometimes I want to be able to be in-world while on the go.) But 1.9 has increased the frame rate to about 1.5x what it was before the upgrade, and the gray goo is gone -- all the textures actually display without coaxing!

Usagi Musashi

UM ™®

Join date: 24 Oct 2004

Posts: 6,083

03-16-2006 22:59

Just athought.How many other Avies are you running on your system?Thats also can cause a reduction in reduce frame rate. If I remeber right from a lindens telling a group mentor chat the more avies you have running on your single computer the slower fps drops.

Pratyeka Muromachi

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Join date: 14 Apr 2005

Posts: 642

03-20-2006 05:36

I used to run SL with a draw distance of 256m anywhere I went. Since 1.9, I keep having to reduce that distance in order to keep above 10fps for the viewer. Whenever I stray away from my home in Weber, which is right next to empty water sims, my draw distance falls to 64m and the viewer fps can't even maintain 10fps.

As I said during the short v1.8 life, I give SL 2 months to get better. Now down to one month. No improvement will just mean SL will loose one minor player who can't afford wasting money on a constantly degrading overburdened chat platform.

8000+m of land will go to governor Linden on the 10th of April.

I think my birthday is in May... whatever.

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another update, another drop in fps
Pratyeka Muromachi Meditating Avatar Join date: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 642	03-01-2006 15:18 Thanks to this new update, now I barely see the other end of my land. Before this update, my setting were full on object details, full tree details and full avatar details. Distance to 250m. My fps would be between 15 and 45, if I didn't use local lighting, life was pretty good. Now, my settings are lowest on the three details and set to reduce distance if below 15fps. I watch the mini map and the distance constantly vary and the fps "tries" to maintain 15fps... the distance goes down to 64m, and the fps goes down to 3.... then goes back up to around 15fps and the distance to around 100m. It cycles every 10-15 seconds.... I read the development update post of today and stopped reading halfway through, I'm giving up. Activate the previous version, take back the current fully bugged version and trash it. Please start from scratch this time. Each new version reduces what I can do and see. It's supposed to improve the product, not render it unuseable. _____________________ gone to Openlife Grid and OpenSim standalone, your very own sim on your PC, 45,000 prims, huge prims at will up to 100m, yes, run your own grid on your PC, FOR FREE!
Kamatz Kuhr Greifer Join date: 8 Jul 2005 Posts: 64	03-01-2006 22:03 Second. FPS is being highly, highly unstable for me now as well. For no clear reason at all, it seems to swing widly between high readings of around 40, down to around 5 which is agony to even /chat/ in. Normally I get readings between 12 and 26, never extremely high or low like now. It got down to the point that it was /staying/ below 1 FPS before I threw my hands up for the night. In sum, all I have to say is "Way to go, Dev team!"
Slim Warrior SLimvisible Join date: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 56	Me too 03-03-2006 09:58 Wildly fluctuating Bandwidth 12 up to 479 and fps darting between 2.9 and 3.7 today. That' s standing in one spot. If I fly up, the fps jumps to between 24 -28. The Bandwidth meter loses the plot completely and is all over the place. My usual is around 13-15 fps. Rezzing of opbjects incl land takes a long long time and some great texture flash displays. Security fences from neighbours tell me to get off my own land. I managed to return my neighbours objects, but from her land, not mine... oops Search feature in inventory takes forever find while inventory loads, sloowly so far am not impressed with the update! Slim
Karen Linden Dev. Program Manager Join date: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 396	Are these problems with 1.8.4.6 or 1.8.4.7 03-05-2006 13:16 There was a known issue with viewer FPS in 1.8.4.6. Can you confirm you are continuing to see these issues with 1.8.4.7? Thanks!
Jackal Ennui does not compute. Join date: 25 May 2005 Posts: 548	03-05-2006 14:06 Yep, I'm seeing FPS and texture loading issues too, with 1.8.4(7). Texture loading was notably faster before that update; now some textures take notably longer to load. FPS is lower, down from ~10-15 to ~6-8, and camera movement is shaky. All graphic options except "shiny" are turned off. _____________________ Lassitude & Ennui - Fine prim jewelry & footwear, Nouveau(60,60) http://lassitudeennui.blogspot.com/
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	03-05-2006 16:44 The gray loading textures last longer and longer. Rendering is extremely slow. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Sabrina Doolittle Registered User Join date: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 214	03-05-2006 17:24 I climbed on the Whine Wagon after the previous update for the first time (member since November) and I'm sorry to say, I'm climbing on it again for this update. I have upgraded my motherboard, graphics card after the last upgrade, and am now throwing even yet more RAM at my PC to cope with the performance demand of this upgrade. My original syste, was within spec, btw. I love SL, and I'd certainly call myself a LL supporter and not a detractor in any way. But I am honestly starting to feel like Wednesdays are "What hardware upgrade do you need today?" day.
Eep Quirk Absolutely Relative Join date: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 1,211	03-10-2006 05:58 From: Pratyeka Muromachi Thanks to this new update, now I barely see the other end of my land. Before this update, my setting were full on object details, full tree details and full avatar details. Distance to 250m. My fps would be between 15 and 45, if I didn't use local lighting, life was pretty good. Now, my settings are lowest on the three details and set to reduce distance if below 15fps. I watch the mini map and the distance constantly vary and the fps "tries" to maintain 15fps... the distance goes down to 64m, and the fps goes down to 3.... then goes back up to around 15fps and the distance to around 100m. It cycles every 10-15 seconds.... I read the development update post of today and stopped reading halfway through, I'm giving up. Activate the previous version, take back the current fully bugged version and trash it. Please start from scratch this time. Each new version reduces what I can do and see. It's supposed to improve the product, not render it unuseable. It's odd you're only noticing this NOW since, in actuality, SL's been having serious lag issues since version 1.7...
Daeshana Sapeur Registered User Join date: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 3	One thing leads to another... 03-10-2006 15:49 The main point is that texture loading and loading of well, anything has become direly slow. This is from the asset server that was allocated for the number of available users back in 1.6.8 or so which has nearly doubled now along with base graphics upgrades. Basically we're trying to cram too much stuff down the same pipe, the asset server and inventory servers need upgrades says I
Tetrae Turner Registered User Join date: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 36	03-15-2006 07:33 It's very strange, since my framerate has vastly improved and lag has almost vanished since upgrading to 1.8. Of course, now that we're moving to Ver. 1,9, I have this horrible feeling that it's about to go to hell again.
Carcinoma Cleaver Registered User Join date: 8 Mar 2006 Posts: 1	Forget the lag what about the log 03-15-2006 14:18 If you think it sucks for you guys i can't even log onto SL anymore after that stupid update and i've never had any problems with logging in until now, it keeps saying to go to the support page but there's so many subcategories i'm get extremely frustrated with it. It would be better if this update didn't exist.
Alexandra Draper Registered User Join date: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 8	Fps Sucks!!!! 03-16-2006 08:56 If i get 3 fps these days, im so damn excited i can't stand it!!! My partner who is a Mac user, can't even walk or chat now. He WAS going to buy a sim, till the 1.8 version.....now he can't even play. The game play is so horrible now, it is ridiculous
Sara Sullivan Registered User Join date: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 211	Slower and slower for me as well 03-16-2006 12:16 I have noticed the same behavior as well, I cant see very far, it takes along time to load, ( with an almost barren island) and I jerk and stop and almost cant control my AVI most of the time, I know my PC isnt exactly a screamer with 2 gigs of RAM but performance in SL shouldincrease NOT decrease, if this doesnt get better in the nex rlease or two I guess Ill have to leave SL and ID hate that but Im having a harder time playing myself Whats going on? If we need more RAM, video or whatever why cant we be warned?
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	03-16-2006 17:35 I am running better then ever now with 1.9. Speed is better with less stress then in past clients. Problem is my home point. FPS is more stable then befor infact. i am at 45fps and 35fps dils are .99 to 75.......... It might all be Line based or your system. To me Its seems the system and lines are causing these problems then the client its self.
Shirley Marquez Ethical SLut Join date: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 788	1.9 is a BIG improvement here -- especially on the laptop 03-16-2006 20:18 My frame rate is no great shakes -- I'm happy when I get above 5fps on this little thing. (Blame the integrated graphics. My desktop is much better, but sometimes I want to be able to be in-world while on the go.) But 1.9 has increased the frame rate to about 1.5x what it was before the upgrade, and the gray goo is gone -- all the textures actually display without coaxing!
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	03-16-2006 22:59 Just athought.How many other Avies are you running on your system?Thats also can cause a reduction in reduce frame rate. If I remeber right from a lindens telling a group mentor chat the more avies you have running on your single computer the slower fps drops.
Pratyeka Muromachi Meditating Avatar Join date: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 642	03-20-2006 05:36 I used to run SL with a draw distance of 256m anywhere I went. Since 1.9, I keep having to reduce that distance in order to keep above 10fps for the viewer. Whenever I stray away from my home in Weber, which is right next to empty water sims, my draw distance falls to 64m and the viewer fps can't even maintain 10fps. As I said during the short v1.8 life, I give SL 2 months to get better. Now down to one month. No improvement will just mean SL will loose one minor player who can't afford wasting money on a constantly degrading overburdened chat platform. 8000+m of land will go to governor Linden on the 10th of April. I think my birthday is in May... whatever. _____________________ gone to Openlife Grid and OpenSim standalone, your very own sim on your PC, 45,000 prims, huge prims at will up to 100m, yes, run your own grid on your PC, FOR FREE!

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