Project Open Letter

Anyone remember this one?

Let's not allow something to be swept away in the current flood of responses to Linden's push-button topic, especially something already undersigned by over 4,000 residents, including many of the very biggest contributors to Second Life as a resident-created entity, and many of the most socially-active residents of Second Life, as well!

Well you've more or less asked them to solve the central problems of access to the entire online world in three easy lessons. You're expecting an answer in the near future?

This thing needs to be broken down into solvable problems, beyond which Linden are in a position to say they've done all that they can reasonably and do-ably be expected to... well, do.

What I DID ask them to do, in another thread, is to simply stop talking publicly about policy until they have one ("Dear Robin Linden"; /142/12/183523/1.html).

I don't believe anywhere in that entire thread will you find ANY one of us who is asking for work stoppage... this does not, and should not, stop them from working on the underlying problems, at all. Nor does it mean that we should stop asking them to.

Most importantly, and I'm sorry you misunderstood, this OP, here, was directed toward us, the community...simply to say, just because Linden has pushed a button that has us all in an uproar, we can not get so caught up in the tidal wave of controversy that we allow ourselves to be distracted from the full suite of concerns we have.

I believe 97 to 98 percent of the stuff in that letter still needs fixing I can't stand the fact that when I log on it shows I have no friends online. Relogging 8 times to make them show wears me out. Bye the time they do show on my list I wonder how many didn't and wont because not everyone logs on 8 to 12 times till there friends list clicks to the on position. I see there working on the IM system I now get a delay in every group IM and then wait to see if my message actually made it or not. About 50 percent of things said in group IM's actually get seen by others now and 75 percent of the time your told there was a problem. Well that's my experience today. 38,000 online I'm going back to bed now wake me when this works again. Maybe I'll still be interseted.

edited changed from 90 to 98 to 97 to 98 and thats giving them the benifit of the doubt that anything from that letter is fixed yet.

Parsimony: sorry, I didn't mean to seem to attack what you said. I agree that Linden really need to get their act together, but fear they seem way out of their depth. They need to first tackle the things they can definitely do something about, like the programming glitches etc. With larger issues that are really to do with regulation of the internet etc I think they have little choice but to make sure their positions are defensible under US law - where they and their servers physically exist. That still leaves them a great deal of room.

They may need to do something about a PR consultant in the EU, and develop an allergy to European TV interviews. That ARD thing was so obviously an ambush.

I also didn't mean to come across as defensive, all the while wanting to be certain that the message is not lost...PR and legal problems are not the only ones facing LL at the moment.

There is still this, I think, unprecedented community-based, and publicly-visible, demand for quality of service, Project Open Letter, that Linden would be very unwise to presume had been effectively swept under the carpet where it will be forgotten with time.

You can't just pen something of this magnitude without a real plan-of-action. Any community activist will tell you that. You all should have expected the corporate pat on the head and there should have been NEXT STEPS put in place prior to making the letter public.

ACT UP and ACORN are in Second Life. Get a few of those community activists to tell you how it's done. You need to strategically initiate a series of follow-up community activities to move your plan forward and get to the ultimate goal. Going to one community meeting and getting non-answers seems like a sad ending to what could have been a effective movement.

There is one very simple reason why that didn't happen, followed by one very bad reason...simply, it was a spontaneous grassroots effort by one person who took initiative to take the issues outside into the public eye...and the bad reason this is losing ground? Ask the Executive Lindens...this is being swept away, not by lack of commitment or organization, but due to priorities of the subscribers...personal privacy has been deemed of more importance to the community that the ongoing "bork-mare" of the last few months...therefore, all the activism is directed that way right now...and the original reason for my OP, lest we forget...

Parsimony I think you are right to keep this in our conscious thoughts. I think there should really be another update from LL to tell us how far they have got with addressing the issues as outlined within Project Open Letter.



As both Madonna and 50 Cent say “All publicity is good publicity.”



Racer would it not be easier to IM the friends you want to speak with, to see if they are online rather tan relogging? If they are online you can strike up a conversation right away.

Not really because LLABS don`t always do what want them to do. You never know until they make a reply. So sit back and wait.






Racer X issue is not personal IM he runs events and does calls in a mass IM calling. To those events.

I don't think this will help get things done...this is exactly the kind of complacency any company with product problems would LOVE to see in all their customers...3 years of sit back and wait is precisely why the problems continue to exist, and precisely why the Open Letter and groundswell of support for it are SO important to those of us that don't view Second Life simply as a programming challenge.

I agree full. Below is an update form the Project Open letter website. Doesn’t paint a rosy picture of our concerns being addressed by LL.

Project Open Letter Update
It has been a quiet few days, but progress is continuing. We are actively working on plans for the next stage of this project, since we feel that Linden Lab did not address our concerns in anything but a cursory manner. A lot of work remains to be done. I will keep this site updated with progress as we move forward to the next step. In the meantime, again, thank you for all the email and ims of support.
It has been a quiet few days, but progress is continuing. We are actively working on plans for the next stage of this project, since we feel that Linden Lab did not address our concerns in anything but a cursory manner. A lot of work remains to be done. I will keep this site updated with progress as we move forward to the next step. In the meantime, again, thank you for all the email and ims of support.
http://www.projectopenletter.com/News.aspx



Usagi, the solution I was offering was to problem of Racerx's inability to see his friends on his friend's list, not the group IM issue.

I requote you here....




No, you say "Racer would it not be easier to IM the friends you"....... looks like you tried to say it but did not come out right.




Well unlike world that are fully created and ( perfect not really tho possible in real terms) one should not expect problems and issues to be solved or even thought of them being solved anytime early. I signed the letter myself. But pushing things will not help LLABS look at any faster. LLABS does things at their own pace......

I think they might have actually fixed my problem with that last rolling restart. Since then every time I log on I have friends online. Who knows if thier all showing or not only going down the list of 500 or so friends and asking each one if there online would make that clear. BTW that would probably lets see say 10 a minute if it took 6 secs each well longer than I care to spend testing. Anyway good to see some progress on this anyway hope it survives the next update.

And it's true I probably have a unique use of the friends list instead of having everyone I know join my group I warn them when I give them my card that I host the Giant Snail Races every saturday mornings and I instant message all my friends online 5 minutes before it starts. I have 40 folders of friends and I noticed if none of the people in the folder apear to be online then the message doesn't go out at all. BTW I think the most you can conference at once is between 20 and 30 of your friends at once. But I haven't tested that as I would have to find 20 or 30 friends that didn't mind me running that test. I also never use my system for anything but my event once a week and if you ask me to I put you in a folder that I don't anounce the races on.

With all due respect for your concern, and for your efforts to make SL a better place, and with absolutely no lack of appreciation for the challenge of trying, I don't feel that your comments reflect an ongoing accurate understanding of the language folks are using to communicate their ideas. I embrace multinationality, and am somewhat of a globe-hopper myself...I am always happy to help in any way I can, seriously, but please be very cautious of firmly/agressively challenging points of view/opinions/suggestions until you have full understanding of the message. Anything less only leaves people hurt...thanks!

Oh, and the topic here is re-investment in Project Open Letter...