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CrystalShard Foo

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03-03-2005 20:10

For the longest time, SL have had a certain batch of big, known bugs following it from release to release. Have any of these bugs finally got handled and fixed in version 1.6? For example, I noticed that Ghosting is still going on...

Keilaron Tomba

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03-03-2005 20:47

Ghosting's a real pain to fix, I assume. You'd have to update data on items that no longer exist; kind of a "Remember, this object is a GONER!". And the thing about that is... how long do you keep doing that? SL uses UDP, I assume, because of this: you don't want the extra overhead, and (so many of) the verifications.
But I think I'm out in the fields with this one.

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Philip Linden

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03-03-2005 21:27

Thanks to some user repros, we have a good repro case for ghosting in preview and are working on it. Agree it needs to go.

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03-03-2005 21:34

From: Philip Linden

Thanks to some user repros, we have a good repro case for ghosting in preview and are working on it. Agree it needs to go.

Philip, did you see the repro case with cross-border sims I did with Dan?

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Philip Linden

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03-03-2005 21:35

Nope, that sounds like something else - we'll work on that too. This was (I think) the more common case - deleting lots of objects and having some of them remain.

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03-03-2005 21:39

From: Philip Linden

Nope, that sounds like something else - we'll work on that too. This was (I think) the more common case - deleting lots of objects and having some of them remain.

I've noticed scripted objects tend to ghost a lot more than non-scripted, as well. I will have to do a couple tests on this next time I'm on, since I know now the team's focusing on it.

p.s. Thank you thank you thank you for weblinks and implementing a bunch of the developer requested features!

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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03-04-2005 06:23

If I understand correctly, wasn't ghosting supposed to be a high priority bug already, so saying "agree it needs to go" and "we're working on it" isn't really saying anything meaningful?

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Moopf Murray

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03-04-2005 06:36

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

If I understand correctly, wasn't ghosting supposed to be a high priority bug already, so saying "agree it needs to go" and "we're working on it" isn't really saying anything meaningful?

Shhh SuezanneC, you'll bring on the wrath of the Linden-apologists with statements like that. Everything is fine, go about your business people, just look at the bugs we've fixed in 1.6...

* Fixed camera jitters on entering and exiting edit mode.
Nothing major (can't say I've ever noticed it), but appreciated

* Estate rules: "banned users" now takes precedence over "allowed groups"
Of great importance to the majority this one no doubt - and yes, that's coming from somebody who owns a private sim

* Rotations of prims are now clamped to the nearest half degree
This was a bug was it before?

* Fix for llRequestAgentData where it failed under certain circumstances.
Which mysterious circumstances? How was it failing, and what does it do now?

* Fix for item on curser lost when an update is received from an object being edited
It's very small but appreciated - I take it now there's no way that pressing the delete key will accidentally delete an object when you're typing something or trying to remove inventory at all now?

* In script editor switched 'Undo Changes' with 'Help'.
What? You mean you've removed a misleading button that didn't work? How is this a bug fix?

* mini position now correctly matches edit tools position
What is this? I don't even know what this is relating to.

* Taking an object rezzed from trash now correctly goes to Objects.
Wow, a real show-stopper

* Added 'fade' transitions at login to world
This is a bug is it?

See, look at the progress on squashing those big bugs that's been made.

I give up.

Malachi Petunia

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03-04-2005 09:30

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* In script editor switched 'Undo Changes' with 'Help'.
What? You mean you've removed a misleading button that didn't work? How is this a bug fix?

Just a clarification, not an apologist: the cited release note was a little too concise. In the LSL script editor -prior to v1.6 - the "Undo Changes" button was just above the "Save" button. The "Undo Changes" button worked too well, one mis-click and you could lose a lot of script editing. In 1.6 the "Undo Changes" button was moved far away from the "Save" button. According to another post, even a mistaken "Undo Changes" can be reverted with Ctrl-Y (which is labeled "Redo" on my keyboard).

Moopf Murray

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03-04-2005 09:41

From: Malachi Petunia

Just a clarification, not an apologist: the cited release note was a little too concise. In the LSL script editor -prior to v1.6 - the "Undo Changes" button was just above the "Save" button. The "Undo Changes" button worked too well, one mis-click and you could lose a lot of script editing. In 1.6 the "Undo Changes" button was moved far away from the "Save" button. According to another post, even a mistaken "Undo Changes" can be reverted with Ctrl-Y (which is labeled "Redo" on my keyboard).

Ah right, still not ground-breaking bug fixing eh

SuezanneC Baskerville

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03-04-2005 10:49

Having the Help button over top of the Insert popup made a certain amount of sense. Having the Undo changes button ofver the Insert popop seems like a bad idea to me. I think the idea of moving the Undo button was to move it to a place where it was unlikely to be clicked by accident when clicking something else. There is a big empty space between the left and right button locations, why didn't they move it there as far from other buttons as possible?

(Of course, they could add a confirmation to it, like "Do you want to accidentally delete the only copy of the whole days work?"

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Tiger Crossing

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03-04-2005 13:30

Philip, if you want a good test of ghosting, have another Linden Snowball Fight. My screen had hundreds of ghosted snowballs by the end of it. (With a reduced framrate to match.)

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Major bugs fixed?
CrystalShard Foo 1+1=10 Join date: 6 Feb 2004 Posts: 682	03-03-2005 20:10 For the longest time, SL have had a certain batch of big, known bugs following it from release to release. Have any of these bugs finally got handled and fixed in version 1.6? For example, I noticed that Ghosting is still going on...
Keilaron Tomba Free quality scripting Join date: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 57	03-03-2005 20:47 Ghosting's a real pain to fix, I assume. You'd have to update data on items that no longer exist; kind of a "Remember, this object is a GONER!". And the thing about that is... how long do you keep doing that? SL uses UDP, I assume, because of this: you don't want the extra overhead, and (so many of) the verifications. But I think I'm out in the fields with this one. _____________________ post_count++;
Philip Linden Founder, Linden Lab Join date: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 428	03-03-2005 21:27 Thanks to some user repros, we have a good repro case for ghosting in preview and are working on it. Agree it needs to go. _____________________ Philip Linden Chairman & Founder, Linden Lab blog: http://secondlife.blogs.com/philip
Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums! Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905	03-03-2005 21:34 From: Philip Linden Thanks to some user repros, we have a good repro case for ghosting in preview and are working on it. Agree it needs to go. Philip, did you see the repro case with cross-border sims I did with Dan? _____________________ Hiro Pendragon ------------------ http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com
Philip Linden Founder, Linden Lab Join date: 18 Nov 2002 Posts: 428	03-03-2005 21:35 Nope, that sounds like something else - we'll work on that too. This was (I think) the more common case - deleting lots of objects and having some of them remain. _____________________ Philip Linden Chairman & Founder, Linden Lab blog: http://secondlife.blogs.com/philip
Hiro Pendragon bye bye f0rums! Join date: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,905	03-03-2005 21:39 From: Philip Linden Nope, that sounds like something else - we'll work on that too. This was (I think) the more common case - deleting lots of objects and having some of them remain. I've noticed scripted objects tend to ghost a lot more than non-scripted, as well. I will have to do a couple tests on this next time I'm on, since I know now the team's focusing on it. p.s. Thank you thank you thank you for weblinks and implementing a bunch of the developer requested features! _____________________ Hiro Pendragon ------------------ http://www.involve3d.com - Involve - Metaverse / Emerging Media Studio Visit my SL blog: http://secondtense.blogspot.com
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	03-04-2005 06:23 If I understand correctly, wasn't ghosting supposed to be a high priority bug already, so saying "agree it needs to go" and "we're working on it" isn't really saying anything meaningful? _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-04-2005 06:36 From: SuezanneC Baskerville If I understand correctly, wasn't ghosting supposed to be a high priority bug already, so saying "agree it needs to go" and "we're working on it" isn't really saying anything meaningful? Shhh SuezanneC, you'll bring on the wrath of the Linden-apologists with statements like that. Everything is fine, go about your business people, just look at the bugs we've fixed in 1.6... * Fixed camera jitters on entering and exiting edit mode. Nothing major (can't say I've ever noticed it), but appreciated * Estate rules: "banned users" now takes precedence over "allowed groups" Of great importance to the majority this one no doubt - and yes, that's coming from somebody who owns a private sim * Rotations of prims are now clamped to the nearest half degree This was a bug was it before? * Fix for llRequestAgentData where it failed under certain circumstances. Which mysterious circumstances? How was it failing, and what does it do now? * Fix for item on curser lost when an update is received from an object being edited It's very small but appreciated - I take it now there's no way that pressing the delete key will accidentally delete an object when you're typing something or trying to remove inventory at all now? * In script editor switched 'Undo Changes' with 'Help'. What? You mean you've removed a misleading button that didn't work? How is this a bug fix? * mini position now correctly matches edit tools position What is this? I don't even know what this is relating to. * Taking an object rezzed from trash now correctly goes to Objects. Wow, a real show-stopper * Added 'fade' transitions at login to world This is a bug is it? See, look at the progress on squashing those big bugs that's been made. I give up.
Malachi Petunia Gentle Miscreant Join date: 21 Sep 2003 Posts: 3,414	03-04-2005 09:30 From: someone * In script editor switched 'Undo Changes' with 'Help'. What? You mean you've removed a misleading button that didn't work? How is this a bug fix? Just a clarification, not an apologist: the cited release note was a little too concise. In the LSL script editor -prior to v1.6 - the "Undo Changes" button was just above the "Save" button. The "Undo Changes" button worked too well, one mis-click and you could lose a lot of script editing. In 1.6 the "Undo Changes" button was moved far away from the "Save" button. According to another post, even a mistaken "Undo Changes" can be reverted with Ctrl-Y (which is labeled "Redo" on my keyboard).
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	03-04-2005 09:41 From: Malachi Petunia Just a clarification, not an apologist: the cited release note was a little too concise. In the LSL script editor -prior to v1.6 - the "Undo Changes" button was just above the "Save" button. The "Undo Changes" button worked too well, one mis-click and you could lose a lot of script editing. In 1.6 the "Undo Changes" button was moved far away from the "Save" button. According to another post, even a mistaken "Undo Changes" can be reverted with Ctrl-Y (which is labeled "Redo" on my keyboard). Ah right, still not ground-breaking bug fixing eh
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	03-04-2005 10:49 Having the Help button over top of the Insert popup made a certain amount of sense. Having the Undo changes button ofver the Insert popop seems like a bad idea to me. I think the idea of moving the Undo button was to move it to a place where it was unlikely to be clicked by accident when clicking something else. There is a big empty space between the left and right button locations, why didn't they move it there as far from other buttons as possible? (Of course, they could add a confirmation to it, like "Do you want to accidentally delete the only copy of the whole days work?" _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Tiger Crossing The Prim Maker Join date: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,560	03-04-2005 13:30 Philip, if you want a good test of ghosting, have another Linden Snowball Fight. My screen had hundreds of ghosted snowballs by the end of it. (With a reduced framrate to match.) _____________________ ~ Tiger Crossing ~ (Nonsanity)

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