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Archanox Underthorn

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Join date: 20 May 2003

Posts: 168

10-25-2006 17:01

I just noticed that the small push from kicks in our combat system have become so miniscule that they have no effect since the patch. I'm wondering if this is something intended or something that's gonna be fixed. I don't wanna go and update and then have the kick turned into an orbitting move when it gets changed back.

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Gearsawe Stonecutter

Over there

Join date: 14 Sep 2005

Posts: 614

10-25-2006 17:20

I know you have been around a while but do you know if the land has Restrictt Pushing turned on? It is in About Land, Options tab

Cory Edo

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Join date: 26 Mar 2005

Posts: 1,851

10-27-2006 09:06

Bug report this with as much detail as you can - other people have noticed the same thing with this version. In addition there are also newly introduced bugs with physics which have been brought to LL's attention but not sure on when a fix is ETA. Try contacting one of the bughunters directly as well to show them the bugged code directly.

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RobbyRacoon Olmstead

Red warrior is hungry!

Join date: 20 Sep 2006

Posts: 1,821

10-27-2006 09:18

From: Gearsawe Stonecutter

I know you have been around a while but do you know if the land has Restrictt Pushing turned on? It is in About Land, Options tab

It has nothing to do with land options... Push has been nerfed, at least in some situations. The problem Archanox describes has been noticed everywhere on the grid.

Lex Neva

wears dorky glasses

Join date: 27 Nov 2004

Posts: 1,361

10-27-2006 10:18

I recently discovered a bug that either severely attenuated or completely negated all physics-based LSL calls in some of my objects. With some digging, it turns out that it happens if the root prim is below a certain size, or possibly if the root prim is much smaller than the rest of the link set. Try making the root prim bigger and see if it helps. If it does, please bug-report this... the lindens need to know more details on this one.

Blain Candour

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Join date: 17 Jun 2005

Posts: 83

10-27-2006 14:56

I am not a very active content developer in SL any longer but I try to keep up with any bug reports on my existing objects. My sabers seem to be having this same problem. Set to the highest available setting they have an almost non existant push.

If I drop the saber on the ground, resize the object as a whole or the root only a tiny little bit, then rewear the saber off the ground the push is back to normal. But then if I put the same object into my inventory and rewear it the push is weak and lame again.

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Argent Stonecutter

Emergency Mustelid

Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 20,263

10-28-2006 15:46

Sounds like an energy issue.

The amount of energy a prim has for pushing depends on its size. That's why you see these huge 100% alpha prims attached to objects that use push.

Lex Neva

wears dorky glasses

Join date: 27 Nov 2004

Posts: 1,361

10-29-2006 09:27

The bug I found and showed the Lindens was quite separate from energy, although it did act like the object had no energy at all. I had it constantly report its energy, and it never differed from 1.0. Something weird is going on.

Archanox Underthorn

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Join date: 20 May 2003

Posts: 168

10-29-2006 20:28

Hmm it's not an energy issue, if I multiply the current push amount I have by 50, it almost goes back to how it was before the patch. I just don't want to put that in my weapons and have the push changed back so people are kicking each other to the other side of the sim hehe.

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Argent Stonecutter

Emergency Mustelid

Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 20,263

10-30-2006 06:12

I recommend you ask on the Answers forum.

They have nerfed push before. Around 1.7 or 1.8 the script I was using to push me over two billion meters up quit working... I couldn't get more than 250 million meters with it.

Copper Surface

Wandering Carroteer

Join date: 6 Jul 2005

Posts: 157

10-31-2006 23:26

Ah. This has borked, among other things, the turbo boost of one of my vehicles, which uses llApplyImpulse().

Changes to Push?
Archanox Underthorn Registered User Join date: 20 May 2003 Posts: 168	10-25-2006 17:01 I just noticed that the small push from kicks in our combat system have become so miniscule that they have no effect since the patch. I'm wondering if this is something intended or something that's gonna be fixed. I don't wanna go and update and then have the kick turned into an orbitting move when it gets changed back. _____________________ Archatek Home to some of the highest quality katanas and other blades available in SL. Co-creator of the Samurai Island Combat System, one of the best melee combat systems available, come check it out! ___________________
Gearsawe Stonecutter Over there Join date: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 614	10-25-2006 17:20 I know you have been around a while but do you know if the land has Restrictt Pushing turned on? It is in About Land, Options tab
Cory Edo is on a 7 second delay Join date: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 1,851	10-27-2006 09:06 Bug report this with as much detail as you can - other people have noticed the same thing with this version. In addition there are also newly introduced bugs with physics which have been brought to LL's attention but not sure on when a fix is ETA. Try contacting one of the bughunters directly as well to show them the bugged code directly. _____________________ www.electricsheepcompany.com
RobbyRacoon Olmstead Red warrior is hungry! Join date: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,821	10-27-2006 09:18 From: Gearsawe Stonecutter I know you have been around a while but do you know if the land has Restrictt Pushing turned on? It is in About Land, Options tab It has nothing to do with land options... Push has been nerfed, at least in some situations. The problem Archanox describes has been noticed everywhere on the grid.
Lex Neva wears dorky glasses Join date: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,361	10-27-2006 10:18 I recently discovered a bug that either severely attenuated or completely negated all physics-based LSL calls in some of my objects. With some digging, it turns out that it happens if the root prim is below a certain size, or possibly if the root prim is much smaller than the rest of the link set. Try making the root prim bigger and see if it helps. If it does, please bug-report this... the lindens need to know more details on this one.
Blain Candour Registered User Join date: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 83	10-27-2006 14:56 I am not a very active content developer in SL any longer but I try to keep up with any bug reports on my existing objects. My sabers seem to be having this same problem. Set to the highest available setting they have an almost non existant push. If I drop the saber on the ground, resize the object as a whole or the root only a tiny little bit, then rewear the saber off the ground the push is back to normal. But then if I put the same object into my inventory and rewear it the push is weak and lame again. _____________________ DISCLAIMER: Blain Candour is a total and eternal n00b and everything he tells you should be taken with a huge pile of salt. Especially when he refers to himself in third person!
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	10-28-2006 15:46 Sounds like an energy issue. The amount of energy a prim has for pushing depends on its size. That's why you see these huge 100% alpha prims attached to objects that use push.
Lex Neva wears dorky glasses Join date: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,361	10-29-2006 09:27 The bug I found and showed the Lindens was quite separate from energy, although it did act like the object had no energy at all. I had it constantly report its energy, and it never differed from 1.0. Something weird is going on.
Archanox Underthorn Registered User Join date: 20 May 2003 Posts: 168	10-29-2006 20:28 Hmm it's not an energy issue, if I multiply the current push amount I have by 50, it almost goes back to how it was before the patch. I just don't want to put that in my weapons and have the push changed back so people are kicking each other to the other side of the sim hehe. _____________________ Archatek Home to some of the highest quality katanas and other blades available in SL. Co-creator of the Samurai Island Combat System, one of the best melee combat systems available, come check it out! ___________________
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	10-30-2006 06:12 I recommend you ask on the Answers forum. They have nerfed push before. Around 1.7 or 1.8 the script I was using to push me over two billion meters up quit working... I couldn't get more than 250 million meters with it.
Copper Surface Wandering Carroteer Join date: 6 Jul 2005 Posts: 157	10-31-2006 23:26 Ah. This has borked, among other things, the turbo boost of one of my vehicles, which uses llApplyImpulse().

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