Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

Verification: You NEED to Read This!

Parsimony Paragon
SL Post-Anarchist, I Hope
Join date: 26 Oct 2006
Posts: 195
05-11-2007 09:30
This is word for word from Robin's latest blog:

"- adult content is that which is overtly, graphically, or explicitly sexual in nature or intensely violent."

This means that anything above the level of mature language is now "Adult", not (M)ature, including your shop that shows/sells any sex-play materials, including textual advertising for the specific abilities of objects to "perform" specific acts...right? OH, and BTW, if your scripted weapons DO have violent animations of combat damage inflicted...well guess what, now you need to be IDENTITY (not age) VERIFIED to use your weapons, and all combat regions/lots now MUST be rated ADULT!

"- flagged parcels must be located within M-rated regions, but M-rated regions that aren’t flagged (i.e. they don’t contain adult content) can be accessed without age verification"

THIS is the killer, folks, if you already own land in a Mature sim, BEWARE!
According to this statement, if even ONE lot owner in your Mature sim decides to go ADULT with their lot, the region is now entirely flagged as ADULT, and you won't be able to visit YOUR OWN LOT, unless you roll over and IDENTITY (not age) VERIFY!

ROBIN, either clarify this point or explain to those of us who choose to have land in mature regions, but don't even indulge in mature behavior beyone the occasional four letter word, how verification is "optional" for us????
Meade Paravane
Hedgehog
Join date: 21 Nov 2006
Posts: 4,845
05-11-2007 09:38
I read this and now feel cheated. This was not something I NEEDed to read.
_____________________
Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!!
- Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224
- If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in
- Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Mickey McLuhan
She of the SwissArmy Tail
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 1,032
05-11-2007 09:42
From: someone
According to this statement, if even ONE lot owner in your Mature sim decides to go ADULT with their lot, the region is now entirely flagged as ADULT, and you won't be able to visit YOUR OWN LOT, unless you roll over and IDENTITY (not age) VERIFY!


See, I didn't read it like this. I read it as individual parcels will be flagged adult and the rest of the sim would be Mature. I'm not sure how you're getting that the whole sim will be made Adult and nonverified people wouldn't be able to access their land.

Can we get clarification on this, someone?

This supposition doesn't seem right to me.
_____________________

*0.0*

Where there's smoke, there isn't always fire. It might just be a particle display. ;-)
-Mari-

Paulo Dielli
Symfurny Furniture
Join date: 19 Jan 2007
Posts: 780
05-11-2007 09:43
Are you sure this is the way it will work? What I understood is that access to a Mature flagged parcel is only restricted for that parcel, not the entire sim. Besides: Mature flagging on parcel level is easily done, because land owners must do this in their land tab.
Haravikk Mistral
Registered User
Join date: 8 Oct 2005
Posts: 2,482
05-11-2007 09:59
From: Parsimony Paragon
THIS is the killer, folks, if you already own land in a Mature sim, BEWARE!
According to this statement, if even ONE lot owner in your Mature sim decides to go ADULT with their lot, the region is now entirely flagged as ADULT, and you won't be able to visit YOUR OWN LOT, unless you roll over and IDENTITY (not age) VERIFY!

Huh? It's per parcel, MATURE regions simply indicate that the area is more likely to have adult or 'unclean' content. Parcels have to be flagged individually as adult before verification is required.

ie; if you're in a PG sim then there should be no adult content ANYWHERE, however, if you're in a mature sim then this indicates that there may be adult materials within the sim, but does not mean the whole place is adult in nature. For example, you could have a lovely medieval village sim, nothing wrong with that. But off in one corner there might be a dungeon with a chopping block or such. You'd flag this parcel as adult, and leave the rest as it is.

I think it also implies a different level of acceptable behaviour. For example in a mature sim it may not be uncommon for people to be talking about anything and everything (but not DOING or SHOWING it), while in a PG sim you don't really want people to be talking about sex all the time.
To clarify; as I've interpreted it, mature regions indicate that content there may be more mature in nature, perhaps involving war-games and other roleplay. However a mature region is not neccessarily sexual or overly violent, it just might have content that is darker in nature.
Meanwhile an adult-flagged parcel WILL have sexual or violent things in it, plainly visible rather than just being talked about or implied. I dunno exactly, but if I were to build a gritty, dark future city and had a strip-club there then this may be acceptable in a mature region without being flagged as adult UNLESS there is adult content within it (ie actual pole-dancers/nudity) opposed to just being a bar you can explore with nothing explicity within it.
_____________________
Computer (Mac Pro):
2 x Quad Core 3.2ghz Xeon
10gb DDR2 800mhz FB-DIMMS
4 x 750gb, 32mb cache hard-drives (RAID-0/striped)
NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb)
Parsimony Paragon
SL Post-Anarchist, I Hope
Join date: 26 Oct 2006
Posts: 195
05-11-2007 10:21
From: Meade Paravane
I read this and now feel cheated. This was not something I NEEDed to read.

I am asking you to think about this...and we who choose mature lots, and behave in non-controversial adult manner only, ARE the ones NEEDING to think and watch carefully, we are the only ones being asked to sacrifice our lifestyle needlessly!
From: Parsimony Paragon

"- flagged parcels must be located within M-rated regions, but M-rated regions that aren’t flagged (i.e. they don’t contain adult content) can be accessed without age verification"


M-rated REGIONS that aren't flagged (i.e. don't contain adult content) can be accessed without...therefore if they DO contain adult content, they cannot. REGION flagged for adult content, not lot
Mickey McLuhan
She of the SwissArmy Tail
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 1,032
05-11-2007 10:24
I'm just waiting for the

"Adult Parcels are ruining my flying/driving/boating experience in Second Life" threads!
_____________________

*0.0*

Where there's smoke, there isn't always fire. It might just be a particle display. ;-)
-Mari-

Tybalt Brando
Catalyst
Join date: 25 Dec 2006
Posts: 347
05-11-2007 10:24
The sky. It is falling. Love is over.
Effulgent Brown
Registered User
Join date: 5 May 2006
Posts: 33
Flagging objects instead of parcels or reigons
05-11-2007 10:39
is the thinking that the whole sim will go adult because you can pan over to whatever?
and would this adult thing just be a check box or something that can be unchecked at any time?

if this is gonna come down, will it go to beta first so we will see what it looks like?

why cant i just not see on my screen stuff that has been flagged as adult?

what if Objects in the build menu were flagged as ADULT and then anybody who isnt verified just dont see it on the viewer?

Isnt it the object that is VIOLENT the issue, not the sky or the ground, or the building housing the objects?

what do yall think?
Jacques Groshomme
Registered User
Join date: 16 Mar 2005
Posts: 355
05-11-2007 10:46
From: Parsimony Paragon
blah blah blah


Wolf! Wolf!

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Meade Paravane
Hedgehog
Join date: 21 Nov 2006
Posts: 4,845
05-11-2007 10:48
From: Effulgent Brown
is the thinking that the whole sim will go adult because you can pan over to whatever?

I doubt that very much.
_____________________
Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!!
- Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224
- If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in
- Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Dnali Anabuki
Still Crazy
Join date: 17 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,633
05-11-2007 10:48
From: Tybalt Brando
The sky. It is falling. Love is over.



And if the sky doesn't fall this time, it surely will next time...or the time after that...or maybe the time after that...but for sure, the sky is going to fall. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Haravikk Mistral
Registered User
Join date: 8 Oct 2005
Posts: 2,482
05-11-2007 10:52
From: Parsimony Paragon
M-rated REGIONS that aren't flagged (i.e. don't contain adult content) can be accessed without...therefore if they DO contain adult content, they cannot. REGION flagged for adult content, not lot

If that's the case then it will be the single most retarded thing to implement ever. All LL has to do is allow users to flag parcels as adult, and then have the simulator refuse to send any content on those parcels to users who are not verified. ie; if you are not verified you can't get into the adult plot(s) OR receive any objects, textures, animations currently on that parcel.

It shoudln't be that hard for them do as it's basically an if-statement;
IF parcel is adult AND user is unverified THEN don't send them anything or let them in*

*Alternatively put them on the other side of the parcel, or allow the client to think it's moving through the parcel but don't actually move the avatar server-side until they reach the other side.
_____________________
Computer (Mac Pro):
2 x Quad Core 3.2ghz Xeon
10gb DDR2 800mhz FB-DIMMS
4 x 750gb, 32mb cache hard-drives (RAID-0/striped)
NVidia GeForce 8800GT (512mb)
Meade Paravane
Hedgehog
Join date: 21 Nov 2006
Posts: 4,845
05-11-2007 10:57
From: Haravikk Mistral
*Alternatively put them on the other side of the parcel, or allow the client to think it's moving through the parcel but don't actually move the avatar server-side until they reach the other side.

/me envisions clever (yet slightly insane) people making high-speed TP systems through adult parcels for non-verifieds.

Convert all the 16m2 Ad parcels to adult and let us use them to zip around the sim!
_____________________
Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!!
- Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224
- If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in
- Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Rusty Satyr
Meadow Mythfit
Join date: 19 Feb 2004
Posts: 610
You NEED to Read This!
05-11-2007 12:10
From: Parsimony Paragon
This is word for word from Robin's latest blog:

"- adult content is that which is overtly, graphically, or explicitly sexual in nature or intensely violent."


Not to be confused with the other kinds of sexual or violent content.
Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
05-11-2007 12:29
From: Mickey McLuhan
I'm just waiting for the

"Adult Parcels are ruining my flying/driving/boating experience in Second Life" threads!



Obligatory:

Pro - The new adult system is ruining my ability to have fun flying a plane , therefore all sex should be banned. If you dont like it - Leave Second Life.

Con - Its my land Ill fornicate if I want to - If you want to fly over- Verify. If you dont like it- Leave Second Life.
Brenda Connolly
Un United Avatar
Join date: 10 Jan 2007
Posts: 25,000
05-11-2007 12:35
From: Colette Meiji
Obligatory:

Pro - The new adult system is ruining my ability to have fun flying a plane , therefore all sex should be banned. If you dont like it - Leave Second Life.

Con - Its my land Ill fornicate if I want to - If you want to fly over- Verify. If you dont like it- Leave Second Life.

No one will be able to fly over anything...The Luftwaffle will be patrolling the skies.
_____________________
Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen.

http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
05-11-2007 13:30
From: Brenda Connolly
No one will be able to fly over anything...The Luftwaffle will be patrolling the skies.



Only if they are verified. ;)
Tender Pintens
Registered User
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 26
05-11-2007 13:32
Oddly enough only 5.. Yes 5! of the sims or plots out of 47 up for auction by Linden Labs are PG, all the rest (42) of those up for auction are all mature.

I would feel if it was such a concern to limit exposure until this issue is resolved they would stop releasing mature land until it was.