Unbelievable

I have recently jumped on the SL bandwagon after hearing enough publicity in real life, and I am completely shocked that Linden Labs is a serious company and that they actually get away with charging people to "use" second life.

The quality of the client is about equal to that of something you would find in a freshman level Computer Science class. I often wonder if anything actually works as it is supposed to, or if your "coders" just took a dump and called it a client. I have NEVER been able to run a full SL session. The client crashes EVERY time.
The memory leaks are so bad that if the client does manage to keep running for more than 6 hours, it can no longer function.
Not to mention that some idiot decided not to build in an auto-reconnect feature. So you better hope your ISP doesnt hiccup for more than a millisecond, because you will be disconnected and logged out. The worst part is that the client is too stupid(?) to realize this and continues to display the world without any notification to the user.
When you consider the time it takes to load areas and rez objects against pretty much any other similar software out there, you will realize that your client-server architecture is a complete failure.
And since when is 15fps acceptable anywhere? You take the highest end computer available today and I would be surprised to see a 35fps average when running SL. Once again, the rendering engine would probably get a D even at ITT tech.

It is just unbelievable that people will put up with such horrible quality of software. I would love to get more deeply involved with SL because it really is the next big thing, but it is simply not possible at this time. I implore everyone with a brain to stop giving your money to LL. Right now they are a bunch of scam artists stealing your money and frittering it away while they keep the idiots appeased with useless weekly updates like WindLight. Its like putting a spoiler on a pickup truck that wont start. Are people really this stupid? Apparently...Yes

So uninstall the client, take a break, and try again in a few months.

Your trollish complaints have gone round and round for years. At this point, it is what it is. If you can contribute constructively instead of mindlessly bashing everything, feel free to submit your resume and qualifications to the job page.

If you find it unacceptable, leave. If you want to stick it out, stay. But really, it isn't worth freaking out about. If you are looking to trigger a flamewar, people aren't going to bite.

I fail to see the point of your post. Telling me my statements are pointless is just as equally pointless.
However, I do appreciate your support for my argument.
"At this point, it is what it is."
This is the attitude that needs to change. There are enough sheep out there thinking like that, and that is why LL get away with what they are doing. Capitalism and Free Market only support progress when your consumer base is intelligent. Unfortunately this is not the case with the SL community. Get angry, start flaming, and get some results. Its the way (second) life works.

Well now...since you have proven yourself far superior to us sheep, here is an idea. Do a little research and you will find....wow...SL is open sourced. This means that because you are such a brilliant coder, business manager etc., you shall develop a much better client for us sheep. Then perhaps you will in fact open up your own virtual world for us sheep to use.

Sorry to burst the old bubble friend, but this post is no different from the hundreds before you who come here and on thier very first post, attack the virtual world that we enjoy using...then when confronted with "well if you can do better, please do" Nothing ever comes of it. If you are sincere in your desire to make it better..do so, otherwise stop trolling and move on. Thank you.

OK, I'll throw a sheep or 2 at the troll -bad habit, I know, but here goes:

First, grading on any kind of assignment has to be based on the objectives of the assignment being graded, the meeting of specific goals and overall ambition of the project.

SL is NOT a game. Get that point first, because you'll miss the point of most of the rest if you don't. This is the mistake most people make when they keep trolling with lines like "since when is 15fps acceptable?" well, 15's not great, but standard film technology (in the US) is 24 fps. NTSC video is only 30. Anything more than around 30 is gravy. Anyway, when was the last time you went to a website that gave you more than 15fps? Is that a failure?

I've already digressed, so:

1. SL is a platform not a game - you can build games here, just don't expect commercial quality FPS's since:
2. All content is user created and streamed to your client. This is the biggest problem with SL IRT frame rate, but it's kind of the core principal to the world - Commercial games have people who spend years making tight assets that take up huge amounts of space on your HD or CD/DVD - that are available (relatively) instantly to give you that performance you long for - this will NEVER happen in a user generated world (at least with current network and storage technologies). It also means there are a lot of folks generating content that would get a D at ITT or where ever, creating the content - uploading huge 1024x768 images as textures, scripting with too many listens, etc. This is all par for the course, and a fact of life in a user generated world.

That's enough bullet points for the moment, but overall, considering they started this project back around 2001, and it's grown very organically (so very messily) since then, they haven't done too bad a job, considering the overall load on the servers at this point. It needs a LOT of work on scaling and stability, work that is being done (70% or so of current dev staff time, iirc) but it will take a long painful time to untangle the gordian knot that is the current code base and make it look like something modern, which of course they are doing while trying to keep the current grid up and running. Like changing the wheels on a Semi while tooling down the interstate @ 75 mph.

So when do you launch 3rd life?

I leave my client on all night sometimes, and all day when I am active without relogging so I dunno wth your talking about.



Maybe its your computer there bud...




I run with the absolute highest settings (AA on, All mesh sliders maxed, ripple water, drawdistance=512m) and I get an average of 30+ fps. 90% of the time my fps are off the scale (50+)



Intel C2D e6600 - ASUS P5B - EVGA 8800GTS 640mb - 4*1 Gig Corsair DDR-2 533

No, it's the SL viewer. It currently has some seriously bad memory leaks.

http://nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com/2007/05/leftovers-leaks-and-leak.html

Interesting article. I've seen his JIRA fixes go by and thought he was being a bit rabid in his tracking down one-time leaks but the rationale makes more sense now - he had to clean up a lot of noise to get down to the signal.

Seems like the big nasty leak is actually in code that LL did not write..

Yeah, but they still use the broken version, even though an update has been available since March.

It's a danger when using stuff you didn't write, but when it comes to using FOSS code, even in library form, it is always a good idea to audit it for any potential serious leaks/crashes.

Yep. No argument there..

Yawn, give your stuff to the nearest newbie on your way out please..........

bottom line it is just another troll. All 3 whopping posts were attacks against SL. No offer for any type of fix thoeries, nothing...just a simple waaaah and I am gone mentality.

Looks like you all have this one covered…
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Game:

An amusement, a pastime

SL is a game to me. Your definition does not fit everyone.

SL IS a game.

Man, if we are going to split hairs here:

Game: structured or semi-structured activity, usually undertaken for enjoyment and sometimes also used as an educational tool.

Platform: some sort of framework, either in hardware or software, which allows software to run. Typical platforms include a computer's architecture, operating system, or programming languages and their runtime libraries.

If you must get technical, game does not apply to SL. Sl is in no way an activity, it is a base for others to create activities, therefore it is in fact a platform.

So... You got something better to offer or recommend? Speak up!


Banking-

"Game" is to "Secondlife" like "Tree" is to "Forest".

A forest is not just a tree.
Secondlife is not just a game.

No, if we get technical -

Game: An activity providing entertainment or amusement; a pastime: party games, word games

Sl is a activity providing entertainment or amusement, SL is a game.

Even by your definition lets see..

Game: structured or semi-structured activity (sl's client setup, physics, etc), usually undertaken for enjoyment (events, exploring)and sometimes also used as an educational tool (tutorials, ESC's BP setup, etc).

Yep, by your definition SL is STILL a game.

I don't care what you call it, to me its a game. You can call it whatever you like.

Rusty - people make RL attachments, even a funeral for a gamer in WoW. WoW is still 'just a game.' For reference.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/wow/wow-funeral-party-gets-owned-167354.php

Or is WoW now more than a game?

SL is just a game to me.

I think its been mentioned many times before, and there is general agreement that Linden Labs knows very little to almost nothing about professional level computing.

However, sl sort of works most of the time, which is amazing. Its the way it its. We can't do anything about it. We either live with it or we go somewhere else.

- D

I've seen a lot of BAD code in my life from "Professional level computing".

I would wager any company that has world-class or steller "Professional Level Computing" would know better than to ever dare attempt a project like SecondLife.

Any system that grants great freedoms to it's users is going to have a snake's nest full of problems.

I love secondlife BECAUSE of those freedoms and am willing to put up with the inconvenient chaos that results, both from LL and from us, and from the two combined.

Shakes head.............

So two trees equal a forest? No

Second is not only a game? Well it used to be a life untill LLabs started messing around with people minds and causing issues.......... Yes Its a game ( for llabs to play with us emotions )
Daniel Linden’s perspectives on the topics above can be found on video here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2642394922604088000

Watch this vedio and say its not a game ? If this is LLabs feeling about how the users are then well we all are.................

I recommend trying his version of the client, I've been using it for a few days now with good results. Now if someone would add code to reconnect I would be in heaven. Right now SL is hating my apartments wireless service LOL

If Second Life Crashes and no one is there to play it, does it make a sound? Is it time for the "It's a game, No it's not", conversation already?

Besides, I believe SL is a Stephen King short story. Most likely "The Langoliers".

what is the sound of one prim hand clapping?

I'll let you know after the Next Town Hall Meeting.