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Camera Controls/Age Verification

Parsimony Paragon
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05-07-2007 22:06
Given the impending doom called Age Verification, which, by Linden Lab's own description, is going to depend on lot boundary fences of some sort, how do the current camera controls serve to prevent Little Billy from using his camera to take a look inside an "adult" house anymore than they do now for any other lot with a fence up???

You will need an upgrade (OMG) to the camera system...what can this mean for Machinima/SL photography?
Rusalka Renoir
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05-09-2007 03:27
From: Parsimony Paragon
You will need an upgrade (OMG) to the camera system...what can this mean for Machinima/SL photography?


And large scale builders. I need that remove camera restraint when I'm doing a large build - it would drive me insane not to be able to move the camera back far enough to see all of what I am doing. Which means, of course, often looking into my neighbor's properties whether I want to or not.
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05-09-2007 05:49
Presumably 'Little Billy' will be on the PG grid anyway and can't zoom his camera that far? If 'Little Billy' is already on the main grid.. the answer is nothing...
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Rusalka Renoir
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05-11-2007 00:40
And if "Little Billy" is on the Teen Life grid anyway - why are we having all this adult flaggin/age verification junk in the first place? :-)

Anyone from Linden care to comment on the very interesting question of using cameras to look into Adult flagged areas - with and without disabling camera restraint?

Anyone?

Doubting it.
Sofia Westwick
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05-11-2007 22:32
What are we in carebear land now?
Alderic LeShelle
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05-14-2007 02:39
If someone pans his camera far outside his parcel limits and sees something he shouldn't see - especially if it's behind walls and doors - that's one problem.

Far worse it is when there are some obnoxious 16m² ad parcels putting the worst XXX imagery you can think of for hundreds of meters on display, maybe even across sim borders from an M into a PG sim.

I think there should be a general 'land rule' stating that M-rated images should be hidden from viewpoints on PG sims. (Note I say viewpoints. If someone pans his camera into an M-rated parcel it's his own choice.)

Next to it, age ban should not only prevent unverified avatars entering but also cameras of unverified avatars panning onto it.
Lotus Wind
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05-14-2007 04:06
*shake his head* if little billy smart enough all he well need to do is learn how to turn on adim powers and turn up his draw rate. After that it rather easy to alt cam into the nabering two sim away.

It most usefull for build I think but honstly it can be used for looking in on people with out even being in there Sim.... so little billy still going to be able to watch you get freeky wile he in anther sim or look at naughty picture some one put up in a nabering sim. Espeshly if little billy be around long enough to learn the trick and often time kids learn the tricks sooner then the rest of us.
Haravikk Mistral
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05-14-2007 05:17
The simplest solution is to add ban-lines to the parcel (to prevent little billy's access) and to not send him any content from that parcel. It's not a hard thing to check for and would make it impossible for him to see ANYTHING on the restricted parcel, as there is no way for him to get around not having the content to see in the first place.
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Draco18s Majestic
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05-14-2007 06:40
From: Haravikk Mistral
The simplest solution is to add ban-lines to the parcel (to prevent little billy's access) and to not send him any content from that parcel. It's not a hard thing to check for and would make it impossible for him to see ANYTHING on the restricted parcel, as there is no way for him to get around not having the content to see in the first place.


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Ee Maculate
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05-14-2007 06:45
From: Lotus Wind
*shake his head* if little billy smart enough all he well need to do is learn how to turn on adim powers and turn up his draw rate. After that it rather easy to alt cam into the nabering two sim away.


If Little Billy is really that smart then he'll just go on to Google Image and download lots pf real porn without having to verify at all...... or at least this is what my friend told me was possible....
Draco18s Majestic
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05-14-2007 07:16
From: Ee Maculate
If Little Billy is really that smart then he'll just go on to Google Image and download lots pf real porn without having to verify at all...... or at least this is what my friend told me was possible....


Oh, quite. If you don't believe me--or your friend--you can always start a Google Image Search for "porn." Some of it is quite explicit. :-o
The best part is a strict search for "yiff" comes up with a couple of juicy pictures too. :) Hmm...think I'll save that one... >..>
Daisy Rimbaud
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05-16-2007 00:48
From: Ee Maculate
If Little Billy is really that smart then he'll just go on to Google Image and download lots pf real porn without having to verify at all...... or at least this is what my friend told me was possible....


So why are we having this stupid, stupid discussion ...

/me pulls hair out.
Ceera Murakami
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05-16-2007 09:00
So maybe it should be set so that a non-verified individual can't send his camera beyond 50 meters or so from his actual position? That is still enough for the average builder in SL to cam around. A pro builder can take the trouble to verify. And "Little Billy" can't cam into a porn site 3 sims away...
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Daisy Rimbaud
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05-16-2007 10:54
From: Ceera Murakami
So maybe it should be set so that a non-verified individual can't send his camera beyond 50 meters or so from his actual position? That is still enough for the average builder in SL to cam around. A pro builder can take the trouble to verify. And "Little Billy" can't cam into a porn site 3 sims away...


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Parsimony Paragon
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05-16-2007 11:01
From: Daisy Rimbaud
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Draco18s Majestic
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05-16-2007 12:08
Good luck implementing that when it's a client side debug option to disable camera constraints.
Farallon Greyskin
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05-16-2007 23:41
From: Draco18s Majestic
Good luck implementing that when it's a client side debug option to disable camera constraints.


Yes but it's the SERVER that decides what data to send to you, it could easily just not send data from adult parcels to non verified accounts.
CorumAnime Sixgallery
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05-17-2007 07:48
If the point is to verify age to remove minors from the grid, once someone has logged on, this should not be an issue anymore, surely?
CorumAnime Sixgallery
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05-17-2007 07:50
From: Ee Maculate
If Little Billy is really that smart then he'll just go on to Google Image and download lots pf real porn without having to verify at all...... or at least this is what my friend told me was possible....


If Little Billy is after porn, he'd have to be REALLY DUMB to look for it in second life, when its much easier, less laggy, and 1000x more realistic to do that google images thing (or so I'm told)
Draco18s Majestic
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05-17-2007 07:50
From: Farallon Greyskin
Yes but it's the SERVER that decides what data to send to you, it could easily just not send data from adult parcels to non verified accounts.


Check for existing threads in Feature Suggestions about implementing that. I believe Argent Stonecutter has started a thread on it at least once.
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Of Oz
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05-19-2007 18:40
From: Ceera Murakami
A pro builder can take the trouble to verify.
It's not a matter of "take the trouble", Ceera.
It's a matter of trusting the untrustworthy.

A world of difference.
Destiny Niles
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05-22-2007 11:55
Hmm, maybe the Lindens have the cam designed to go anywhere on purpose? After all Phillip Linden has made the public comment that most people are good in a room 'brightly lit". If more people know that someone can see them 2 sims away, they may think twice and go somewhere else besides SL to do things they don't want anybody to see.