Chance Small Games! Please Read!

I have received SEVERAL messages concerning my games that were purchased from in game, and sites. If you did not obtain games that I created from me I will NOT support them in any way, shape or form. Nor will I ensure that they are fair, bug-free, or safe to use on either side of the casino.

Unless you have obtained my games from me, please do not contact me for support on any level.

Word of the wise: It is NEVER a good idea to purchase an item from someone that is not the creator of the item.

I disagree, my entire store is built on that business model.

Buying an item from someone second hand is a great way to save money.

And we all like saving money!!

Well ill tell you now my friend, if someone bought my items second hand i would not honor them either this is why, first they must have permissions that i dont allow that they either exploited or found from someone trusted. another is when you make items you do it for a reason for some it is to make money.. what money do you make if joe shmoe is selling your product especially at a discounted price.. you just took away another customer.

So you sold items marked OK to resell, and now you are complaining that somebody resold them?

I think items marked for resale are worth more, because you can get at least part of your investment back when you are done with it. If you are selling items marked for resale, then disowning them if resold, then some people might consider that a scam.

Buster

List the people who I have allowed to resell my items?

Some items I gave with mod rights, but only for educational purposes, not to resell.

By default, when someone sells or resells an item, they are deemed the contact for support. If the creator is not making money from the resell, then why should he/she take the task of supporting the purchaser, unless pre-discussed with the seller?

Sellers need to do something to earn the money they are making. If someone is reselling something, they are not getting paid for making the item, they are getting paid for distribution and support.

I am simply saying, if you did not obtain my games from me, do not ask me for support, ask who ever you obtained my games from for support.

Not at all. IRL, you can sell an item when you tire of it. So can you in SL.

Moved to Notices and Well-Wishes.

I was going to reply with the following question but Buster sort of beat me to it.

If you don't want people reselling your product, why didn't you mark it as no transfer?

All I think Buster was trying to say with "marked OK to resell" was that you didn't turn off that permission. Unless you explicitly tell people otherwise, when they see they have that permission, they're going to think the seller doesn't mind it being resold. Isn't that what that permission is there for?

HP

I paid $13,000 for "full copy" "full mod" to 13 "Acidic" slots. They all work fine, but the notecard inside to change the settings I cannot open and change because the slot machine itself it no-mod.

Yeah, it's not your fault, Chance, but ultimately YOU were the one who let full-mod, full-copy versions of your slots get out. Check slexchange for crying out loud. Quite a few people are making a bundle on your work.

And ruining YOUR reputation in the process.

Why do people always make this simplistic argument? In RL, if you buy an item, you cannot then resell unlimited copies of it. You can sell the one copy you bought. The problem here is that an item that is copyable is being resold without permission. There are all kinds of items that have had their permissions stripped off of them through bugs, exploits, or from misplaced trust in individuals. Regardless, just because it has full permissions, it is not a justification to sell something that you did not create, nor that you have permission to sell.

BUT! Did I give it to YOU? I don't think so. So why should I be the one held reliable? Why should I be the one to support it? Don't you think that the one that YOU bought it from should have mention the notecard issue? Don't you think that it's THEIR fault you can't edit the card, or mine? Shouldn't be mine, I wasn't the one you got it from. I shouldn't be the one to support your use of what I had originally created.

Once again, simple fact. Don't ask me for support, for something that you didn't get from me.

im thinking along the same lines as cristiano said, also if you have a problem with not being able to resell other peoples work that have worked hard creating and do not give out full perm items but some were leaked into the world or what have you then i would suggest not buying from chance since you have read and understand his policy and odviously do not agree with him not wanting to be tech support for a item he created that was ripped out of his hands and being resold behind is back.

On a personal note, i cannot claim to be a scripting genious or even a decent scripter but i have seen many of chance's scripts and regardless of what you might think most of his scripts are not your fly by night job. knowing the kind of work he puts into them i can tell you if it was me i would not only be saying i dont offer support for my products they have stolen but would make it known if/when it got ripped off by the person.

I am not saying that my poducts were ripped off or stolen, nor am I objecting to my items being resold. If my items are being resold it is only my fault.

I don't mind people reselling what is resellable, or people having my games. I just feel that the seller of my games should be the point of contact for support. That's all.

It's not really that big of a deal. Basically, if you obtain an item from someone, please use them as your support. If you give/sell an item, please be the support contact for the item given/sold.

Sell my games that are sellable. By doing so, I have done a favor for you, so do me a favor, and be the support contact.

Unless you have obtained my games from me, please do not contact me for support on any level.

Word of the wise: It is NEVER a good idea to purchase an item from someone that is not the creator of the item.


meaning you dont have vendors at other lot and we should always check if it is the creators vendor?...

ok... now I will check from what creator not to buy from.
doing buisness the way you are doing here will never do you good in the long run.

DMarco

Good advice, but ... In-game vendor systems that distribute the items from a sever get around this. So do SLExchange, SLBoutique and SecondServer.net. My purchase was through one of the online sites. The seller had no negative discussion about him, the slots looked great, it was a decent price (and a good chunk a change), so I bought. Four days after the sale, the seller disappeard from the website, and Second Life.

For the record, I never once asked Chance Small for support. Not once. I knew I had been either ripped off or the victim of another damn permission bug -- something went wrong with the products that Chance made. Something broke in them. Either bad programming on Chance's part (not likely but who knows?) or the HORRENDOUS permissions sytem that Linden Labs clings onto like it's the life-blood of Second Life. Linden Lab has said, (in so many words) "Tough shit, paying customer, you're screwed, not our problem, even though it's our shitty permission sytems that's causing your problem."

That I can actually accept because they've made no move to fix it in the past, why should I expect them to now? When I saw this thread and found out OTHERS are having the same problems as me, I chimed in to let my experience be known.

The L$13,000 I spent wasn't that big of a deal. Its the increasingly present attitude held by EVERYONE around here, including the people who run this place, that it's "NOT MY FAULT."

Chance, I never asked you for support, so get off my case. The problem is with the shitty permission system, not you.

Krestin Kobayashi

That's who I bought mine from and I can't edit the config notecards. And I was wrong, I paid less than L$13,000 for them, but they are worthless to me. I've been doing some testing and several up them have payouts of 140-150%.

For a guy who just accused me of a simplistic premise, the basis of this assumption is flimsy at best.

I too bought 8 of your games from someone else, I'm not sure if they are working correctly or not, all I was told was that you could change everything with the note card inside. I tried to open the settings and the other card and they can't be opened. i was also asked if I wanted to give the machine money when I first rez'd it. I replied no, because I have no idea "who" I would actually be giving that money too and I've heard of scams that would drain all of the money from your acct with that.

i agree with the fact that if you're going to put your time, effort and name on something like this, there should be no rights to selling them. that way only you make the money and only you service them when people have a problem, and only you have to worry about your name being trashed when things like this happen.

I bought a small package of gambling items at a 'garage sale' that included one of Chances slot machines. Chance, thank you for the note to check this site. I spent $200 linden..(small change, thank goodness) but I don't think I'll use these items. I'm a little scared now that there will be some bug in it or, as the previous poster said..it will ask for money and I don't know who it will go to. I think Chance is correct. Go ahead and resell the item if you want to, but make sure that you are the contact person for any problems. Chance, I am however interested in what you have to offer. I will contact you to see if you have anything available directly.

Thanks!

It isn't very obvious when you have found an old thread but you probably won't have much luck as I don't think the player you are trying to contact has played SL since September 2005.

Also there are a number of objects (like gambling machines, but they could be flowers, too) that will ask for PERMISSION_DEBIT or something like that when you rez them. Do yourself a favor and read that question as "Can I give all your L$ now and in the future to some other player who has put a script in this object which includes everyone whose inventory this object has passed through?". In other words, unless you know exactly what you have gotten and who you are getting it from and would trust them with your "wallet", granting PERMISSION_DEBIT can be costly. Be careful.

If you have already rezzed something that you think might have asked you for PERMISSION_DEBIT, Take it back into your inventory as soon as you can, this will prevent your L$ from being taken by someone else if they haven't already.

Chance Small is a crook and his machines are crooked. If you read the fine print in the instructions for some of his slots, he gets a percentage of the money that is played into the machine that amounts to more than what the owner will earn. For example: If I play 10 Lindens into the machine, he gets one in his pocket (VIA his script) whether I win or lose. The owner of the machine loses no matter what. And these machines came from "authorized" sources.

If you own anything made by him I would discard it for the trash it is.

Sorry for the bad news...

LOL!!! No wonder why he dont support his products. He's getting profits no matter what with the hidden commisions no matter who you buy the slots from. Its all part of his plan. Though I do feel sorry for those that dont try that sneaky type shit and get their builds resold without their concent.

Great work man. Make some slots machines with commision scripts in them to pay to you, give them resell permissions and scatter it all through SL. EASY MONEY!

Know what I say to costomers that complain about no transfer --- "TOUGH SHIT"