"Socialist Anarchist Party" group seeking members

I have created a group called the "Socialist Anarchist Party".

This is an open join group, you can join using the group tab in the Find Dialog, or I will invite you if you ask.

Here's the charter: "We seek to overthrow capitalism and abolish all government, to seek and to achieve an era of equality, peace, liberty, and justice. "

Isn't that sort of a contradition?

It's a Smurf World Domination Plot isn't it?

Perhaps it is by your definitions of the terms. With the long use of the terms socialism and anarchism in a myriad of different senses, one might be able to make them out to mean almost anything.


There is a body of thought, long established, which advocates the voluntary collective ownership of property.

Joining an organized group....methinks would be a bit of a damper on the old anarchy thing........


- Newfie

If you guys ever get land, can I have it?

Awww. Don't you just hate the morning after when halloween is over and being a hippie isn't as cool as everyone said you were last night?

I once knew a guy who claimed he was a communist. Everyone called him "Leo the Communist". He had a *REALLY* cool and expensive SLR camera. I told him he should give it away, and he punched me.

Many people share your confusion about what anarchism means. Anarchism does not mean opposition to organization, not to me at least.

Anarchism means opposition to government. When I say I am an anarchist I mean I support the abolition of government.

Government is the organization of aggression, of the initiation of violence and threats of violence as a means of modifying the behavior of others.

I believe that only organizations which refrain from initiating the use of force and from threatening the use of force be considered legitimate. All governments initiate force and threaten to initiate the use of force to fund their their activities, to obtain land for their activities to take place on, to silence those who opposed their policies, and transfer wealth from one person to another. Accordingly I oppose the existence of all governments and encourage people to combat their existence.

I support the abolition of all forms of taxation, the abolition of any kind of conscription, and the abolition of all the world's military and police forces. I oppose the existence of government roads, which are funded through involuntary taxation, and routed along paths obtained through eminent domain. I oppose the existence of gun control laws, which deny the rights of individuals to self defense from criminal activity, most importantly the right to use force in defense from the actions of the criminal institutions known as governments. I support the elimination of all forms of government provided education, medical care, income subsidies, retirement plans, government libraries etc.

All human action that is considered legitimate should be peaceful and honest. It is the organization of aggression engaged in by governments to which anarchists are and should be opposed, not the use of planning, specialization, and the division of labor, and voluntary adherence to rules by people engaged in the normal routine of human existence.

You should check out the Anarchism group. It's been around for ages. It's a group that never meets. Your membership is more of a statement than anything.

Very excellent post, Invect!

-Ghoti

The same could be said of most groups in SL.

But back to the original poster...

"We seek to overthrow capitalism and abolish all government, to seek and to achieve an era of equality, peace, liberty, and justice. "

For a question for all the anarchist and socialist groups, how does that charter apply to SL?

Justice: Check. Besides crimes that affect RL (fraud) or require the use of server logs (using a bug to harm another player), I have to say that SL is pretty much free of crime. We can't pursue criminals in the RL and the Lindens are unlikely to turn over admin level access to SL to us (which would probably end up causing more problems than it would solve).

Liberty: Check. Any political prisoners in SL? Any slaves in SL? Gorreans excepted.

Peace: Check. When did we fight our last war in SL?

Equality: Check. Besides the occassional complaint of oldbies vs. newbies and content creators vs. content consumers, I would have to say that SL is much more equal than U.S. or Europe.

Government: No government. Check. Even in sims such as Neualtenberg where you do have a government, it's voluntary. If you get tired of it, drop the group and go pretty much anywhere else. Differs from the RL, where one government or another claim every square inch of the Earth. You don't want to be a citizen of no RL goverment? Tough.

Capitalism: This might be the only valid target. But for every item I have bought, I have either been able to make my own version of it or make a better version of it. In RL, there are barriers to many markets. In SL, many of these barriers don't exist. Either SL gives us the tools and additional tools are pretty much free such as PSP, Gimp, etc. For me, buying things is my way of rewarding other creators for making things that I do not have the time to make myself. There is nothing in SL that I need, just things that I want.

Some would say SL is an almost perfect capitalistic system due to its laissez faire nature. Without a government, there aren't many government restrictions on the market. However, it is also very porous. I can opt out of it at any time. I can wear the same clothes forever. Opting out of capitalism in RL is pretty difficult if not impossible.

So without some further details, I just wonder what your group will do besides serve as an interesting title.

Assuming your friend supported government, like most people who call themselves communists do, his inititiation of force against you to suppress your speech comes as no real surprise.

Just as one can use the postal system to conduct correspondence that deals with matters not related to the sending and receipt of mail, so too can people use the mechanisms of Second Life to communicate about things outside of Second Life.

If there is a law forbidding the creation of Second Life groups for dealing with real world issues, I oppose it's existence and support the abolition of the government that passed it.

Then I say Die Commie Die. We Dope smoking, ear totin, baby killin, veterans has no room in our hearts or lives for any person, or group that threatens our way of life, or the best country on Gods green earth.

We, the spawn of the greatest generation, know whats right and whats wrong.

You fools are proven through history, to be jsut plain wrong.

I was curious if the original poster was seeking to apply anarchism to SL or simply chat about anarchism in RL. If it was the former, then my questions still stand. If it is the latter, then yes there is nothing wrong with the chat group. It's not what anarchism really needs, but to each their own.

I suppose there are rules of conduct associated with your little club?

fah, anarchists aren't what they used to be.

What does anarchism really need?