War on Griefing - what side are you on?

Some people take a neutral stance on this subject, but I am quite irritated about the rise in griefing.

As some of you may know my SL past has been mostly devoted to attempting to help Lindens by identifying griefers and attempting to persuade them to keep it calm, but from what I see Lindens are not doing much about this.

Most of you will remember Coffee Linden, this guy was amazing and was a wonderful Linden for me. I'm not sure if he is a Liason anymore, but he would do anything for me.

Nowadays, though, things have changed. Lindens don't try and they think up as many excuses as possible. For example, just today I had a problem with a landowner: I co-owned a parcel of land (actually renting it, I was an officer in the landowning group, another officer actually paid the rent) and today we were building something when suddenly the rent-paying officer returned all of my items and kicked me with no explanation. Not understanding what happened, I returned to the land and then he banned me. I IMed him, he would not respond. So, I went back, unbanned myself and attempted to talk to him when he banned me again and then asked the landlord to ban me from the sim. I got stuck in a corner of the island and crashed. I logged in to a different sim and called a Linden, who said that I must handle this myself.

Now, I am simply asking for them to IM the person in case he muted me or something and ask for an explanation, but noooo good ol' Liasons refuse to do that. A simple request, because all of my friends couldn't speak to him either. The Linden left quickly.

There is a classic example of what Lindens are doing - not much.

I do credit Dee Linden for helping us out in Sandbox Island today ^.^ and later explaining to me why Lindens can't help everyone all at once...

BUT... If the Lindens are trying to help, I challenge them to explain to me WHY THEY JUST REMOVED PVP ABUSE DETECTION!
Let's see what griefers can do now:
Shoot
Bomb
Orbit
Grav-gun
WITHOUT GETTING CAUGHT.

Something is DEFINITELY wrong here, I am really curious why they took out PVP... here are some possible reasons:
1.) Something happened with the new release and they were too lazy to clean it up before release therefore they just ripped PVP out.
2.) Someone was abusing the PVP system.
3.) They are too lazy and are trying to cut off ways where they have to go through more paperwork.

Feel free to add any below and...

Please post below your stance on this topic so we can show the Lindens what is more important in Second Life!

Also, later on someone rampaged through Sandboxes Island, Cordova and Goguen shooting everyone in sight while I used Live Help to ask for a Linden and filed a report (very hard to find the culprit due to the lack of PVP) but a Linden never came and the person simply ran into me and I stopped him and he logged off. After checking the account it was a cell-phone account and was relatively new... I suspected that it was just an alternate account.

Another example that Lindens are slacking off.

I am so against griefers, and I don't know why! they took PvP detection out in the first place. It's harder to catch them now. But! I hope the lindens brings something else into play that we can detect these griefers. Only! thing I have to detect bumps is a force shield reporter that kenny linden gave me. It just logs in chat that who ever bumps you will show in chat. I'm not sure, yet if it's detects scripts etc!!!!

Torley already said they'll be putting back PVP reporting soon. So cool your heels and get that identifier device they mentioned!

yay!

i've been having a lot of problems too. i don't know why there is such a rise in griefers, but everywhere i go now, i get griefed for no reason. i used to frequent sandbox island, but i can't walk two meters there without someone hitting me with something and sending me flying. so i switched sandboxes temporarily. just ridiculous, and i noticed that most of the people doing the griefing are fresh out of the welcome area. :/
i totally understand where you are coming from peter.

If they ban people, they cut their pop numbers -- they want to pump those numbers as much as they can to drag in corporate sponsors. Don't expect any help. SL is only temporarily a playground for residents -- very soon, it will be corporate-owned and operated only as a marketing platform for LL's advertising sponsors.

Well..what I am hearing now from many shop and mall owners and alot of Good SL residence is they are all fed up with the large and blantent increase in griefing - fed up with the no verification registrations that is the main cause and breeding ground for these griefers - fed up that LL is not responding effectively to this HUGE problem (they rather give warning out about trees going over property line [sorry LL, you guys will never live that one down]) - that by time any corp sponsorship LL gets, there wont be any good content left in the game - BECAUSE WE ARE ALL FED UP WITH IT!!!

I will file a Abuse report each and every time I get orbited - bombed whatever I see that was done 'purposely' and that report will be against Linden Labs for removing my ability to see who the abuser is.

Where are these 'tools' that LL is saying we will have - we need then NOW!

I spent countless hours making beautiful content in SL and I'll be damned to hell if its for LL to gain corp sponsors.

Wow, thanks for all the information guys! Keep replying, let's show LL what griefing really means to us residents!

You know, I can't stand it when you are scripting something and when you try to save it it says "object out of range)"... then you minimize the window only to find yourself 105828299310358338 meters in the air. I mean, anyone... and I mean ANYONE... who uses an orbiter should be instantly banned... even if its on their own property or in a war zone... should be banned. Orbiters cause too many problems and their use is annoying... it is hard to TP back to the ground... and sometimes you crash if you don't stop!

BTW, the land renter and I made up ^.^

Hmm i wouldnt say anyone who uses an orbit should be banned
Sometimes people feel the need to fight back it happens
I mean today i was at ETD getting HAIR and I got griefed..it happens anywhere..and sometimes if ur wearing a shield it happens to fight back for you
Griefing happens anywhere..by anyone..normal looking..weird shaped..fur or blood skin..
I hate it..sometimes it makes me angry to the point i wanna fight back but no one is worth getting banned over.
Just ban them or wear a shield..but even then wearing a shield might get u introuble..
there is no real answer

We all should wear a shield! we are so afraid of getting introuble for it lets see greifers only get banned %5 percent of the time why would wearing a shield be bad wiht this low greifer secrurity theres no way anyone would even care!

also I had a friend who became one of those terrorists to strike back at LL not to grief the residents I think LL messed up so bad they got rebels becoming what they hate so much of I just hope SL will find hope through all this madness!

Well, that would explain a lot.

coco

I will repeat again, every griefer I have reported has been banned from sl, their names gone from the rosters never to return. And the incidences have not necessarily shown on the police blotter. It is my understanding that Torley has come out in favor of still providing our av's with the name of who shot us even if the pvp report button is gone so that we can file an abuse report as per normal.

Char

Again, I am simply asking for more griefer protection than what is already in the system. Here are some ideas:

PVP Abuse Reporting
Since the update, PVP was taken out... it would be great if us residents could get this back for obvious reasons.

Built-In Shielding
SL could have some sort of built-in shield... where avatars automatically don when in non-weapon zones. This would require a new land check box... no-weapon does not mean no-damage... you could have, like, an area where you can use weapons but there is no damage.

No-Push Areas
Using the no-weapon tactic as said in the last topic, there could be a no-push checkbox for land where the llPushObject function is disabled. While this would disable the use of certain vehicle ejection functions, the advantage would be clear... the loss of llPushObject would disable the push function in bullets and such.

"Laser-Tag" Weaponry
On the bright side, for those of you who want to have a battle without the push or damage effects of normal weapons, residents can create weapon systems that are no-push and no-damage but do have a "damage-like" system and require permission from the user beforehand.

Bombs
You all probably know the solution to a non-push bomb is lower your Particle Count to 0... but what about push bombs? Well, normally, as in the widely-known C4, the bomb rezzes a bunch of invisible spheres that shoot out every which way and push everything in their path. Also, for the excessively annoying ShieldBreaker bullet (green, auto-rezzes, makes blue/green/white particles upon explosion), there could be limits on how many objects can be script-rezzed per minute or so. This setting could be changed in the Land menu so that people could use Rez-Foo and things like that to rez houses on their own land (the setting should be lower in sandboxes). This tactic would also be useful against the sim- or grid-crashing rez spammer scripts!

Keep it coming people!

To those of you claiming that griefers always get banned if they are reported... you are completely wrong.

Let me show you the story of ------ (to be called Bob):
Me and my friends in the SLPD a while ago had a griefer on file that wouldn't stop: Bob. He would occasionally come to our HQ with weaponry and threaten to use it (and eventually do so) and we would always get calls involving him. We once got a call about him harassing a resident, so we went in (and, also, it was nearby the HQ which suggests he was coming to cause trouble) and we found him caging a resident and verbally/sexually harassing her. We got him to stop the harassment, but by the time a Linden came over (which was quite a long time, in fact) he saw him and logged right off (leaving the cage). He later came back online in the same place to claim that he was only shopping at the store (unfortunately for him it was a lingerie store...) and he claimed that his girlfriend was right behind him when he flew over here and denied all claims against him (even though he was the owner of the cage that was still here) and he pinned it on us. That was the last straw there, I personally had seen this guy over 7 times and I had reported him every single time and had requested that all officers on the scene do so too (I expect that they did).
1 week later, after we were sure that he had been banned, we were shocked to find him using a ShieldBreaker bullet in a "ghetto" sim. I never liked to work in these places knowing that his buddies were sure to be there, but we got 3 Lindens on the scene (an all-time record!) and once they verified he was the owner of the bullets and the bomb he had placed outside his hiding spot, luckily he was smart enough not to trigger it when 2 of the Lindens went in looking for him. He came out with them, and once I had filed my 4th abuse report on him during that scene (and my officers had surely done the same) I had no doubt that he would be banned.
2 weeks later I was absolutely stunned to get an IM from him saying his final goodbyes and that he has no idea why he is getting banned and saying that he will come back to cause trouble for me since it was me who got him in all this mess and that it was my fault that he was banned. Sure, it was my fault per se, but "fault" is not the right word here... more like "determination".
He was logged off and I never saw nor heard from him again after that.

Now, I estimate that it was a total of 24 abuse reports to get this guy banned. Something wrong here.

And yes, my reports included everything possible: screenshots, chat logs, PVPs, object names/owners, everything. (?)

And people wonder why I don't post abuse reports.

This guy tried clogging my land with prims. Failed, every time. One person managed to pull it off, and I still failed to file an abuse report.

What I did do was send back all their stuff.

Thanks, guys, I hope there was nothing important you put on my land. Sifting it out of your trash can must have been a royal pain if there was.