Libertarians of Second Life group continues to exist
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-03-2005 17:06
The Libertarians of Second Life group continues to exist. We currently have 10 members. The charter is as follows: From: someone A meeting place for real life Libertarians who are also members of Second Life. I would like to get at least 20 members so I can have a group forum. Objectivists, Libertarian Party members,Ayn Rand fans, Robert Nozickians, Ludwig von Misians, Hayekians, night watchman state sorts, Society for Individual LIberty members, all hardcore libertarians welcome. This is not a group intended to promote "Virtual Libertarianism" in the Second Life virtual environment. If any group members read this it would be nice if you would post a response to this thread.
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Jesrad Seraph
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11-04-2005 01:38
Count me in, in an unofficial manner 
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-04-2005 17:40
From: Jesrad Seraph Count me in, in an unofficial manner I am sending you an invitation to join the group. It's nice to hear from you. We won't barrage you with group chat if you do decide to join.
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H4K0R Trudeau
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Alive and Well in SL
11-06-2005 13:38
The Libertarians of SL are alive and well! ... and dare I say, generating activity? While there is always pleanty of room for ad hok meetings, I have proposed the establishment of a monthly meeting for club coordination purposes. I am asking all members to submit a preffered recurring date, or a day that works best for them, or times that they wouldn't be able to attend (if they are interested in attending). The purpose of the meeting is to collaborate on volluntary group projects. I'm hoping for group involvement - there shouldn't be any heavy lifting folks I have submitted two proposals to the group. The first, is to see if there is agreement for a monthly meeting. The second, is to establish a committee to re-create the "World's Smallest Pollitical Quiz" in SL. http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.htmlTo all of you FREEDOM loving Libertarians out there who haven't joined the club yet: We want to meet you, look for an officer online! To all of the current members who have Libertarian friends not yet signed up - lets get in gear! We have 11 members now - if everyone finds a friend to join, we can get the forum going in less time than it will take Bush to increase the defecit! (well OK - not that fast - but you get the idea)  Yours in Liberty, H4K0R Trudeau |
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Kami Harbinger
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11-06-2005 15:17
Absolutely, sign me up. I'm mostly a night-watchman-statist these days, but I started out as an anarcho-capitalist and then fell back to something a little less extreme and easier to establish and explain.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-06-2005 18:26
Nice to meet you Kami, your invite has been sent.
Jerrad is in, thanks for joining.
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THE TALE OF A SLAVE by Robert Nozick
01-09-2006 18:18
From: someone THE TALE OF A SLAVE
Consider the following sequence of cases... and imagine it is about you.
1. There is a slave completely at the mercy of his brutal master's whims. He often is cruelly beaten, called out in the middle of the night, and so on.
2. The master is kindlier and beats the slave only for stated infractions of his rules (not fulfilling the work quota, and so on). He gives the slave some free time.
3. The master has a group of slaves, and he decides how things are to be allocated among them on nice grounds, taking into account their needs, merit, and so on.
4. The master allows his slaves four days on their own and requires them to work only three days a week on his land. The rest of the time is their own.
5. The master allows his slaves to go off and work in the city (or anywhere they wish) for wages. He requires only that they send back to him three- sevenths of their wages. He also retains the power to recall them to the plantation if some emergency threatens his land; and to raise or lower the three-sevenths amount required to be turned over to him. He further retains the right to restrict the slaves from participating in certain dangerous activities that threaten his financial return, for example, mountain climbing, cigarette smoking.
6. The master allows all of his 10,000 slaves, except you, to vote, and the joint decision is made by all of them. There is open discussion, and so forth, among them, and they have the power to determine to what uses to put whatever percentage of your (and their) earnings they decide to take; what activities legitimately may be forbidden to you, and so on.
7. Though still not having the vote, you are at liberty (and are given the right) to enter into the discussions of the 10,000, to try to persuade them to adopt various policies and to treat you and themselves in a certain way. They then go off to vote to decide upon policies covering the _vast_ range of their powers.
8. In appreciation of your useful contributions to discussion, the 10,000 allow you to vote if they are deadlocked; they commit themselves to this procedure. After the discussion you mark your vote on a slip of paper, and they go off and vote. In the eventuality that they divide evenly on some issue, 5,000 for and 5,000 against, they look at your ballot and count it in. This has never yet happenned; they have never yet had occasion to open your ballot. (A single master also might commit himself to letting his slave decide any issue concerning him about which he, the master, was absolutely indifferent.)
9. They throw your vote in with theirs. If they are exactly tied your vote carries the issue. Otherwise it makes no difference to the electoral outcome.
The question is: which transition from case 1 to case 9 made it no longer the tale of a slave?" - From "Anarchy, State, Utopia" by Robert Nozick, p.290-292 (1974).
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Dianne Mechanique
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01-09-2006 18:46
From: SuezanneC Baskerville The Libertarians of Second Life group continues to exist.
We currently have 10 members.
The charter is as follows:
This is not a group intended to promote "Virtual Libertarianism" in the Second Life virtual environment.
If any group members read this it would be nice if you would post a response to this thread. What if you count yourself as a libertarian but think Aynn Rand is evil personified? |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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01-10-2006 20:17
From: Dianne Mechanique What if you count yourself as a libertarian but think Aynn Rand is evil personified? Well, what do you mean by libertarian? The word is fairly old, and as many words do, it has more than one established meaning. Ayn Rand's birth name, by the way, was something along the lines of "Alissa Zinovievna Rosenbaum". She changed it when she left Russia. Ayn is a shortened form of a Finnish name. It's pronounced with a long "I" sound.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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International Society for Individual Liberty
01-24-2006 21:56
 The International Society for Individual Liberty has been delivering it's version of libertarianism for 25 years now. Two of the names mentioned on the website are familiar to me. I attended meetings long ago at the University of Maryland, at which Jarrett Wolstein, of the U.S. based Society for Individual Liberty, was present, and also Sharon Presley, one of the founders of Laissez-Faire Books. Here's the URL for the International Society for Individual Liberty.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-10-2006 20:03
Many people in the U.S. associate the word libertarian with the Libertarian Party, if they associate it with anything, or don't get it confused with libertinism or librarian. The connection is not a necessary one; the word libertarian was used to indicate an anti-statist, pro-individual liberty, pro free market ideology long before the Libertarian Party was formed. There are many libertarians who reject the idea that a legally constituted political party can be an effective method of promoting libertarian goals. I remember reading in libertarian propaganda from decades ago libertarian opponents of the LP arguing that "the Party is the State". Looking at the LP website now, at lp.org, I see evidence that this may have some truth in it. The website is adorned with a bunch of imagery that I find offensively statist looking - red white and blue, U.S. flags, stuff like that. I would much prefer to see government flags burnt that put up on display - not just the U.S., but all of them. A legal political party in the U.S. has no way to limit membership on the basis of ideology - if you register as a Libertarian Party member, you are in, whether you favor zero or near zero government or whether you support massive government. Once libertarians start thinking in terms of getting elected to office or selected for positions in government and actually succeed a bit strange things start to occur, like having Libertarian Party members hold a position like supervisor of a government owned park, for example. In what way does having someone ostensibly a libertarian be in charge of spending tax-payer's money on park maintenance promote the cause of liberty? Once libertarian folks start thinking in terms of winning elections many start wanting to water down the libertarian content in the party's promotional material and make the candidates and the party sound more mainstream, more like what the Democrat and Republican candidates say. How can making your sales pitch more palatable by making it more statist serve the cause of liberty? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm looking for some more libertarians to join the group. The group is called Libertarians of Second LIfe. Membership is by invitation only; you can IM me inworld or respond to this thread if you'd like to join. The group charter is as follows: From: someone A group for real life libertarians who are also members of Second Life. I would like to get at least 20 members so I can have a group forum. Objectivists, Libertarian Party members, fans of Ayn Rand, Robert Nozick, Ludwig von Misians, Hayekians, night watchman state sorts, Society for Individual LIberty members, all hardcore libertarians welcome.
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ZATZAi Asturias
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05-10-2006 20:35
Hmm, does the club strictly follow/promote the guidelines set by the Libertatian party? Or loosely for politcal support, but have it's own set of standards mostly in line with the national party none-the-less?
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-10-2006 21:00
From: ZATZAi Asturias Hmm, does the club strictly follow/promote the guidelines set by the Libertatian party? Or loosely for politcal support, but have it's own set of standards mostly in line with the national party none-the-less? The U.S. Libertarian Party is only one part of the liberarian movement, one organization among many. The ideas esposed by the USLP have changed since it's formation. This group has no affiliation at all with any other organization other than being recognized by Linden Research as a Second Life group. Membership is not limited to members of the USLP. In fact, there are many, perhaps most, members of the USLP that I wouldn't consider to be truly libertarian - there are bound to be, when the membership requirements are just to register as a libertarian, which folks might do because they want to please someone, or they think it's rebellious, or they got drunk and lost a bet. I'd love to see an official branch of the USLP created within SL, a group that is recognized by the national LP as at least an honorary, virtual reality part of the organization. I think their is probably no way to create such a group which would be as real as a state or local LP group, though, because as a real world, government defined political party, real subsets of the party have to be connected with real world govenment divisions, like a state or city. I have sent email to the national L.P. office holders, inviting them to join Second Life. I think it would be cool to have the L.P. officers and candidates make some avatars and do some proselytizing and campaigning. Do I think it would benefit Second Life or the world at large? Probably not, but it might be fun. They might get slashdotted for campaigning in a virtual world. I sent email to the San Francisco local LP, which I used to be a part of decades ago. Unfortunately, it's been too long, my contacts are no longer there. The only response I got came from someone with a Mac, with an OS version too old for SL to run on. I thnk he would have checked it out if he'd had a compatible machine.
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