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Prop 1503, 2200 votes, Stop Greifing Alts

Seronis Zagato
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Join date: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 454
06-20-2006 13:30
OK. The community has spoken and it has spoken LOUD. Everyone[1] thinks that the lax standards on who may enter the community is unbearable. Everyone thinks that the new system makes it easier for people to create alt accounts to bypass land owner anti greifing measures.

My questions:

When can we see the old system reinstated?

When can we see care taken to protect current paying customers instead of worrying about floods of freebie greifing alts?

If the answers above are 'never' can we PLEASE get that in writing? Torley I truely love you and your attitude and your ability to find the answers people need, but I dont think this one will work. We need it in hard fast writing that we ARE gonna get some measure of protection or we will be given tools to do it ourselves or at least TELL US affirmatively that it wont happen.

If the answers are 'never' can we PLEASE have it so that all accounts without billing information on file can be listed as 'unverified' or 'guest' users? And can we THEN set our land so that no unverified user and none of their objects can come on our properties?

Over TWO THOUSAND VOTES have been applied to this issue. That says something about how the community feels on this. I've never played on a more enjoyable online world and I dont want to see this world degrade down to the level of 'just another mmo' which is where I feel it will head with these policy changes.

Your answer is?

EDIT:

Found another great post on this issue. Unverified users just cant leave Orientation Island and Help Island. That lets people sign up QUICKLY to see what the game allows. And prevents them from causing greif on the mainland. Everyone wins.

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EDIT2:

Other changes:
* The ban height has been increased from 15 meters to 200 meters above each

This is a partial answer =-) Still not complete.

EDIT3:

From: Robin Linden
I've talked about this situation in my blog, but here's the short version...

1. We opened up registration because we believe, that like the Internet, open and free registration will support the growth of diversity and innovation in Second Life in the best possible way.
...
4. We certainly understand that your faith in the system has been shaken, and we want to make sure that we address that swiftly. Look for some improvements to account verification in the next release (discussed in more detail in my blog post).
5. Identify accounts that have been 'verified' by Linden Lab, improve controls to mute and deal with griefers, and longer term, implement a reputation system and additional identity verification that extends into the real world.


1. Open is not the same as Unlimited. We dont have 'open' registration. Open registration would be what we had before. Where people were allowed to register if they wanted to by supplying their information. People can use simple checking account cards as a credit card. They can use gift cards. We were not discriminating against people without REAL credit cards. We were ALREADY open. What we have now is 'unrestricted' access with no means of verifying people. Thus they realize they can not be easily tracked down and RIGHTFULLY understand there is no reprocutions for their actions.
4.faith shaken. raising ban heights is a start in fixing. reverting to old registration would be better.
5. We need mroe than that to deal with greifer alts. Those tools would be a start. If you want to devleope them FINE. but UNTIL THE TOOLS ARE IN PLACE the current registration is a problem. Solution? Revent to old system till ALL THE REQUIRED TOOLS are available to deal with problem makers.

answers?


MAJOR EDIT:

From: Torley Linden
I dont have close minded answers


Eeep!!!

Sorry my original statement came out wrong. Didnt mean your answers were close minded in the least. You've many times spoke up about your opinions on exploits, feature limitations, bugs and feature requests. I did NOT intend to say otherwise. *hugs* My intention was to state that we KNOW you express your opinion on things openly, and that you are capable of finding out 'some' of the reasons changes are made along with explinations and validations of why it 'might' be a good thing. You're great and calming emotional rants in this regard.

My point of mentioning you was that i -DONT- want to be calmed down. I'm not really emotional at all. Just strongly opinionated. Lately policy choices have appeared to be geared to making SL 'unrestricted' and not 'open'. And i just wanted a hard fast answer if this is just the way 'its gonna be from now on' or some admitance that this is being recognized as a FAILED experiment.

I'm gonna go read that blog entry now. I rarely get to the private blogs and should probably follow those a bit better. Hope you accept my apologies for the non intended insult.
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Torley Linden
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Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
06-20-2006 20:53
I don't have close-ended answers to those, Seronis--but I've been following along closely (and sometimes inworld, quietly) of everything that's been happening.

Robin also has a new blog entry about identity:

http://secondlife.blogs.com/change/2006/06/the_view_from_b.html#more

This is sure to continue--I'm sure likewise, you will follow along too.
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