Ice Dragon Resorts #1 In Popular Places Statement On Monthly Incentives Program

Hi Everyone. So glad you opened the forum up for this discussion cause I have much to discuss and tell all. We have been the most successful on the most popular places list for the entire month of March this is true and we would like to thank all SL residents who frequent our spot fore it is the residents who make us successful and there are just an unbelievable community of wonderful personalities that make this game truly great and not Linden Labs, It's the people!!

Well back to the subject at hand, we were shocked to see our owners, Jvizzle Jacques in particular who is my husband RL show up as #56 on the Developer's Incentive Award list. When inquiring with the Linden's on this matter, they were uninformative, asked us to prove it to them that we were #1 all month long and even rude in their response stating when and where did they ever state that being on the popular places list would get you the top prize if your #1 all month anyways. Lee Linden was so point blank nasty when approached about this new found revelation. We discovered, the Developer's Incentive award is based on how much land you have cumulative and all traffic is added together for all properties that a land owner has, not how you rank on the popular places lists which concerns me cause we have no idea who these people are they never show up on the lists??.

People kill themselves working their butts to acheive the high prize and in a nut shell this is an unreachable goal for all of us because land owners who have extreme amounts of land are the ones they take care of and they are the ones who will always get the top awards end of story. They just recycle the money back into more land over and over every single month making it impossible to achieve the award. The thing is this has never ever been stated in the rules of the Monthly Incentive program and they blasted us back like this was a well known law that ever single land owner except for Ice Dragon Resorts was aware of. I ask all land owners, Did you all have any idea that even though you can be #1 by over 10,000 to 15,000 dwell points higher than 2nd place for 31 straight days only 25 of them could be seen on popular places list 11 days the stinkin traffic was broken. (WE HAD OVER 30,000 DWELL POINTS EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR MARCH)


You will only get a tiny amount of the award prize and the top prize getters don't even show up on this list at all!! Many of them in fact! Therefore that popular places list is deceiving if you think that placing high on the ranks of it is going to get you any real money. Unless you have a few 100,000 sq m of land and butter the lindens bread real well you are wasting your time and money.

New goal, you better start placing yourself on that list only for the sole purpose of maybe increasing personal sales or just for the sheer enjoyment of being labeled the hot shit with good popularity. Striving to place at the top of the Popular places list to get the high prize is not a reality and for all of you land owners who are true troopers in providing the entertainment and income for residents that linden labs no longer provides I applaud you all but warn you also to not break yourself thinking it will come back to you in reward in the end cause it will not!! We at Ice Dragon Resorts will continue to hook up our fine residents with gaming round the clock and stand behind the integrity of our Goal which is to give the residents somewhere to go to make some dough$$ have a good time and meet the other fine residents that make this game what it is. We will have to move to a different location to downsize but at the nw location business will continue to FLOW$$$ . Linden Labs has lost focus of what real business values are truly about which is.. it's not all about You Linden's!! You have to at some point start to care about who made you and one day will break you. BE CAREFUL LINDEN LABS and straighten the hell up! You are leaving a nasty taste in us high paying residents and land owners mouths. *BREATHES *

Don't know for sure, but part of this problem may be that the resort is owned by a group.

My understanding is that developer awards go to individuals. And if a group owns something like this then the dwell gets divided amoung the members of the group. I don't know all the details of how this works, but this is probably a factor.

Yeah Shack it is a factor, but also, we each own over 16,000 sq m each which is no small potatoes but I guess, still not good enough. The land we own is pretty large. We only wish the rules were more clear and without question for the ones working hard to acheive these monthly incentives. I believe this is only fair for them to share all the knowledge of how Linden Labs operates and not leave us in the dark to assume or guess only to be disappointed in the end.

Still, the plus side is if you can pull it off and stay on the popular list you find that more than the incentive money, the people who frequent your places are the true heart and soul of this game. The real reward since this is just a game, is to pack your house and have a blast and laugh alot. A packed house for any land owner is still almost a priceless feeling not much different from running a RL business and it being successful than here in SL being #1. The rush of it is Great!! Being rewarded in the end with $$ is a plus.

Developer incentives are given to the ONE PERSON with the highest dwell counts. So, your 16,000 meters and your wife's 16,000 meters and your group oned plot are, according to the system, 3 separate people.

So, your clubsinoall isn't getting the dwell incentives that your 32,000 privately owned land does.

LF

It appears as if you know that you don't meet the criteria because of the group land issue yet still feel compelled to dump on the Lindens to mask your own ignorance -- which many seem to be pointing out for you.

Have some cheese with your whine and decide if you are going to play by the rules, and hopefully achieve your goals, or just bitch about everyone doing you and your husband wrong.

not nice there bruno.

they were wronged and so were alot of us, but you cant expect changes without people voicing up, not whining it is fighting for what is right.

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Proof that our opinions do Matter and it isnt jsut whining, try giving some constructive critisims or stay off the forum.

Hey Bruno, Ignorance you call it, I call it standing up for yourself when you know something is not right. Well I am quite satisfied to say speak up and your voice shall be heard. Lindens checked and low and behold, hmmm they were wrong. I wont blast back at you though, I have more class than that. I'll just stick to the subject at hand, I only want them to be fair and get there business straight.

Hrmmm Lindens found a mistake and fixed it and she got paid so now who is the one that is truly ignorant. Really amazes me to see people post flames on these forums about subjects they obviously no nothing about.

I can understand the your frustration. You try really hard and you see your name up there all the time, and then someone else gets the prize.

The problem is a lot of people own a lot of linden land in various places. For example, Anshe probably owns a quarter of SL (probably in excess of 30 sims? that's 30*65,536 square metres or 1,800,000 m^2).

Though she doesn't get to the top of the list all that often with all that small stuff, it does add up quite a bit.

Perhaps an idea would be to have a seperate reward for whoever gets to the top of the list. Though unfortunately sometimes people game it, by offering rewards to people to hang out in their place, so that might not be such a good idea either.

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Many people were affected by one bug. I hope it was fixed now.

As for group dwell: beware! As I understand it, the traffic is divided by all accounts of one group, no matter how many sqm they contribute. If you are only three or four land holders in the group I am sure each of you get dev incentive give high traffic in Ice Dragon. But if your group contain hosts and dancers and maybe even guests... bad luck!

I should clarify.

I agree that the Developer incentives and traffic are flawed. And I'm really sympathetic to your situation.

These issues have been discussed a lot by both land owners and people who don't own land or a business. As far as I can tell, no consensus has been reached except that a lot of people have been unhappy with it. Some people view it as an unfair reward, while others see it as an inadequate incentive.

Owning a business in SL is like owning a business anywhere else. If you want to make money or even break even, then you need to spend as much time developing revenue as you do anything else. Dwell and developer incentives will never be enough alone.

I wish you continued success and of course lots of fun.

Is it really ALL group members or just officers? All group members would suck. I could live with it just counting officers.

It's ALL group members.

The group mechanism is fairly useless for any kind of real business with multiple people. There needs to be a new mechanism for directing/dividing the profits from traffic, sales, etc.

If you add to this the ability of members to recall officers. The ability of any officer to sell the land. And the fact that a piece of land can only have one group associated with it. You basically get a really big mess.

For daily traffic/dwell payouts, all group members are considered equally. The traffic bonus for a plot of land is divided by the number of members and each member gets that amount of L$.

For the developer award, traffic is accounted to each officer in proportion to how much land tier they have contributed to the group that owns the land. For example, consider a plot of land 9000 sq m in size that gets 25,000 traffic in a month. The land is owned by a group of 8 people, 4 officers and 4 members. The 3 officers contribute tiers of 5000, 3000, 2000 and 0 to the group. The officers would get 12,500, 15,000 and 10,000 traffic respectively. The officer contributing no tier would get no traffic.

It is entirely possible for group-owned land to receive developer awards, but it is far easier if only one officer is contributing 100% of the group's tier.

Oh you guys are wonderful!! There are many points here that will be well taken. We currently have 4 officers in the group each holding pretty equal shares of land. 3 of us made it to the list. It is just that we are so very unclear on how they calculate and reward the prize. We are rookies at this so it's good to hear from some of the Vets how this works. My concern was and still is that other land owners have a different outlook on how the Incentive program works just like we did. I applaud all land owners, shoot I know how much it costs every month to own land and possibly getting those costs cut by winning the Incentive prizes are goals any of us would want to accomplish!! Thank you all again for showing us the ropes of the game and adding your support in helping them to get this right!! Wooot Wooot everyone

Krystall,

I am sorry that you are experiencing this. One thing that jumped out at me as a large land owner myself who keeps my land grouped is that each of you contributing 16000m to the group is far more expensive than one person donating an entire sim's tier. The discount above 1/4 is pretty significant - you guys are paying a lot more in tier than you should be. If you can find a way to redistribute the tier to one player, that would certainly help financially, as well as improve your chances for the developer incentive. The group land situation is pretty convoluted, I can see why it confused you (though in LL's defense they have explained how it is calculated). Good luck to you regardless.