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Kazanture Aleixandre
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04-25-2006 01:34
LL, this is a future suggestion but about economy forum also.
My suggestion is a Sponsorship Fund.
Businessmen, vendors even other residents can contribute to this fund with L$s.
And LL can use this fund to support non-profit organizations, places(Not with extra printed L$s).
And LL can show top 50 contributers(or something) on a page on the SL web site with the contributed amount.

Of course a resident can form such an organization(Sponsorship fund) but it can create lack of trust so it is better LL to do such a thing.

Sorry for my english but i hope you understood what i mean.

A way to support non-profit organizations in SL without printing extra L$.

Personally i am willing to contribute for such an organization.
Kaboom Karlfeldt
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04-25-2006 03:22
I'd much rather have LL spending money and man hours on things related to SL that only they can, currently, handle. That and I have more belief in altruistic funding movements created and represented by a pool of tens of thousands to be more well rounded then what a few LL employees believe to be the best inworld organizations to support.

Short of the ego stoking of showing up on a top 50 list, such groups have been done and are being recently run better then ever. Foundation For Rich Content (FFRC) seems to be the cream of the crop or at least the most visable at the moment. If you're interested in such organizations I highly suggest joining them or stop by one of their meeting some Sunday.
Luth Brodie
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04-25-2006 04:08
Resident run organizaions would work much better.

Leave LL payroll to fixing the bugs, creating actual customer serivce, or even maybe the possibility to animate hand and faces.
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Kazanture Aleixandre
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04-25-2006 04:23
From: Luth Brodie
Resident run organizaions would work much better.

Leave LL payroll to fixing the bugs, creating actual customer serivce, or even maybe the possibility to animate hand and faces.


The thing i suggested is a very simple coding:D. No need any extra work. A donation button, and an application form for applying for support, and people will vote here for applications.
I can implement it in 30 minutes and no need to work for it after implementing once.
It is not like fixing a bug or customer service or etc. It is SO SIMPLE coding.
I mean, you are wrong;)
Shaun Altman
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04-25-2006 11:37
From: Kazanture Aleixandre
The thing i suggested is a very simple coding:D. No need any extra work. A donation button, and an application form for applying for support, and people will vote here for applications.
I can implement it in 30 minutes and no need to work for it after implementing once.
It is not like fixing a bug or customer service or etc. It is SO SIMPLE coding.
I mean, you are wrong;)


Then why don't you implement it? I will donate.
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Jopsy Pendragon
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04-25-2006 17:15
From: Kazanture Aleixandre
The thing i suggested is a very simple coding:D. No need any extra work. A donation button, and an application form for applying for support, and people will vote here for applications.
I can implement it in 30 minutes and no need to work for it after implementing once.
It is not like fixing a bug or customer service or etc. It is SO SIMPLE coding.
I mean, you are wrong;)


Kazanture-

Nice to make it convenient for all with a simple donate button,
but there should be some incentive/reward/benefit for everyone
that donates that doesn't make it onto the Top 50.

(In RL there's usually a tax write-off for charitable contributions.)

Also... voting... is that limited to only people that donate?

Do they get "one vote" worth per some number of L$'s donated?

(How do you prevent someone from paying a bunch of newbies
to donate and vote for them?)

Interesting idea... though I think it should probably stay user
supported not LL supported, (unless LL provides matching L$'s
to the donation pool or discounts for tierage or some other
LL-only providable perk)
kerunix Flan
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Join date: 3 Sep 2005
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04-25-2006 17:48
I had the same idea as kazan' ...
And i'm ready to donate. L$ or land tier. (i have arond 5500sqm of unused land tier).
Kazanture Aleixandre
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04-25-2006 17:53
From: Jopsy Pendragon
Kazanture-

Nice to make it convenient for all with a simple donate button,
but there should be some incentive/reward/benefit for everyone
that donates that doesn't make it onto the Top 50.

(In RL there's usually a tax write-off for charitable contributions.)

It is donation not an investment.
From: Jopsy Pendragon

Also... voting... is that limited to only people that donate?

Do they get "one vote" worth per some number of L$'s donated?

(How do you prevent someone from paying a bunch of newbies
to donate and vote for them?)

No, open to all residents.
From: Jopsy Pendragon

Interesting idea... though I think it should probably stay user
supported not LL supported, (unless LL provides matching L$'s
to the donation pool or discounts for tierage or some other
LL-only providable perk)


I suggested to be LL supported because if anyone else runs such an organisation i dont donate, if LL runs, i donate. There are others like me.
And if LL runs such an organisation, residents can donate easier because they are already visiting second life web page everyday.
And if any resident run such an organisation, there is a cost for hosting the donation web site and other things, who will do this without any profit? ;If one does, can you believe it is not for profit? I dont.
But all LL will do is:
1->For contributers:Put a donation button to the account page which takes L$ from the user's account to the sponsor account(Maybe "Sponsor Linden";).
2-> Make a new page, a form, for aplying as a non-profit organisation/project to be supported "2 text field: project/organization name, project/organisation description and a button: submit."
3-> Create a new forum thread for this organization to vote(residents) the projects monthly.
4-> support each month top 10-20 or 30 or X most voted NON PROFIT organizations/projects with the donated L$s.
5-> Make a web page to show top contributers to the organisation.

All this work can take 2-3 hours for an average software developer.
It is not hard for LL to do. But TOO hard for a resident to do(server cost, lack of visitors to the page, advertisement problems-cost etc.But LL already has all of them.).
If a resident post here: "i will do this, i will create a sponsorship organisation"
The first thing i will think is: "alotof cost, why is he doing this? Hidden intentions?"
Jopsy Pendragon
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04-25-2006 19:51
From: Kazanture Aleixandre
It is donation not an investment.
No, open to all residents.
I suggested to be LL supported because if anyone else runs such an organisation i dont donate, if LL runs, i donate. There are others like me.
And if LL runs such an organisation, residents can donate easier because they are already visiting second life web page everyday.
And if any resident run such an organisation, there is a cost for hosting the donation web site and other things, who will do this without any profit? ;If one does, can you believe it is not for profit? I dont.
But all LL will do is:
1->For contributers:Put a donation button to the account page which takes L$ from the user's account to the sponsor account(Maybe "Sponsor Linden";).
2-> Make a new page, a form, for aplying as a non-profit organisation/project to be supported "2 text field: project/organization name, project/organisation description and a button: submit."
3-> Create a new forum thread for this organization to vote(residents) the projects monthly.
4-> support each month top 10-20 or 30 or X most voted NON PROFIT organizations/projects with the donated L$s.
5-> Make a web page to show top contributers to the organisation.

All this work can take 2-3 hours for an average software developer.
It is not hard for LL to do. But TOO hard for a resident to do(server cost, lack of visitors to the page, advertisement problems-cost etc.But LL already has all of them.).
If a resident post here: "i will do this, i will create a sponsorship organisation"
The first thing i will think is: "alotof cost, why is he doing this? Hidden intentions?"



Hrm. I think fewer people hit the SecondLife web pages daily than you think.
You still haven't addressed how this system will be resistant to being completely gamed by exploitive types that will pay hordes of newbies to vote for them.

And even with donations, there's usually some incentive to donate, some will for a noble cause, others want more assurance that they'll be appreciated for their sacrifice... or want more control over whom they're charitable towards. Just because it has the Linden Lab's logo doesn't necessarily make it above reproach. (it helps but I think there'll be a lot of folks that feel they donate enough to Linden Labs already. ;)

And... I think for a system like this to be effective it should be more in-world, not outside it. but that's my opinion.

Also... um... who decides which 10-30 recipients actually make it onto the polling list? I think if this were a LL supported sponsorship program, that there'd be *many* people signing up.