compleatly confused on new land store

i was just looking at the new land store and from what it looks like you CAN'T reserve any land near any current island. so if i wanted to purchase a new island to be conected to a current one i would not have to reserve the space for it. it is already basically reserved du to the fact that it is no reservable.

so every current island owner is safe to assume the current space around there sim/ contenant is safe from any one staking claim.

if I'm correct in this

IT WOULD OF BEEN NICE FOR LINDEN LABS TO SAY THIS IN THERE ANOUNCMENT AND PREVENT ALL THE HOOPLA GOING ON NOW IN THE FORUMS

unless I'm wrong then I'm sure some one will let me know

land store link

agreed. but what is sl without drama? just another shallow game

What people are worried about (I think), is people reseving island spaces all the way around, just away by one spot, therefore stopping them expanding.

do you own an island crucial? only current island owners are allowed to reserve within the blocked off space there.

indeed i own 3 islands and i was unable to reserve any void near any of my islands when i was in the land store.

so i guess my second question in how do I get an island next to one i curently own with the new land store?

does seem a bit counter productive.

Ryan Linden said you can still order an island in this region of the map directly through [email]islands@lindenlab.com[/email]

well there is no mention of that any where in the "official land store announcement "

you think that there would of been clarification of the complete process of buying an island in the Land store announcement.
I realized they are " very excited" about the new land store but but there should of been com pleat clarification .
the way the "official announcement" reads the only way you can buy an island is through the new land store

once again i May be wrong, and if so i am sure some one will point that out

crucial, I'd suggest looking through all the Linden replies on the other thread on this forum. It appears Linden Lab don't know how to be complete in their FAQ's and announcements for new features, and more information leaked out on that thread from the Lindens.

For instance, I've not seen it mentioned anywhere else in their official announcement or FAQ what Chris Linden said, which was basically that after the 3 month reservation is up it will not go back to auction and can be renewed directly. I then asked what price would be charged for the renewal and it basically turns out that you'll have to pay the average of all reservation auction costs which is kind of a nice way of them keeping a consistent higher income. Plus it means that, when you come to the end of the 3 months, you will not have a clear idea of exactly how much it's going to cost you as that figure will change continually. Plus it means that everybody will be monetarily affected by contentious reservation bids going higher and higher.

Well I had a look this morning and it appears the box system does not allow you to researve inside, thus protecting current property owners Islands and onshore sim water access frontage.

It all appears to be "Much Ado about Nothing" in the words of the immortal Bard, but is also does underline the responsability we all have to get our facts straight before posting on these issues. (sorry could not resist that -

Pauli's correct. It was both a test of usefulness and community reaction. It's already proven pretty much useless to the current customer base. It's proven very successful in outing the attitudes of forum posting customers toward Linden Research and their primary, AFAWK, project base.

However, I can't fathom that all this effort and bad will was devoted to somone's notion of a feature anyone might need far into the future maybe.

It's possible that they have some large scale investor ready to purchase a few continents of sims if LL can somehow guarantee furture expandability without having to move the existing estate. Or it's possible that they're just utterly clueless. We may never know.

At a meeting for island owners it was said there would be a 1 year grandfather clause for existing island owners. New islands were going to start on the right side of map and to the far left side.

I'm not really known for dissent, perhaps - for all the wonderful things that have happened to me in Second Life, I'm far more the 'fan boy'... yet I still see this reservation system as a terrible move.

Same as yesterday.


Will I live with it? Yes. Will I survive and make money in spite of it? Yes.

Do I like it? Not at all.


Why:

1) Impossible to tell honest expansion efforts from griefing, when the game is afoot. Direct parallel to the Impeach Bush sign controversy and shock to land values, only on a multi-thousand dollar scale.

What can be done instead: the Company can simply keep dictatorial control over relative grid locations, like they have now. Pick up and move continents as needed.

Does this ridiculously simple solution scale? Yes. How often is a 10, 100, or even 1000 sim continent going to move, or need to, in an almost infinite sea of integer coordinates?

Anyone paying for 5, 10, 20 sims should be able to rely on the company to change 5, 10, 20 pairs of grid coordinates as often as needed. Done intelligently by the Company, 'often' is almost never.



2) Grid coordinates are an artificially scarce resource. This is an auction of X,Y integer pairs - one that will pit customers against each other, pinching wallets and causing frustration.

Why do this to customers? What is the benefit to the Company? Honestly, I don't see a lot of revenue coming from this.



3) This move relinquishes control of the shape of the world to the least common denominator (money).

Instant recipe for "tragedy of the commons."

The dozens of sandbar-and-water-ditch sims are a harbinger of what relinquishing artistic control over the world's shape will bring, but this will be far larger and uglier.

Just wait for the first graffiti written in void sim reservations, then real sims, across the map of SL. I wonder if it will say "Impeach Bush."






My opinion, that's all. What anyone thinks of my business acumen - well - that's for each of you to decide.

My family and I were overjoyed when we returned here over two years ago. We managed to secure a large portion of land where a great forest had been and, after setting up the Phyneas Jack Memorial Trust, gradually acquired more land in the surrounding regions. Our goal is to restore the forest there to something of its former glory and preserve ruins found there.

We were also fortunate to secure the land where my parents' brownstone had been located in Nova Albion and have rebuilt it, and the brownstone next door, as accurately as possible.

I have been discussing the new land store (and the recent bulk land auctions) with my parents and grandparents. I have to admit we are a bit torn and at odds over it.

My grandparents, especially Grandma and Grandpa Baysklef, simply want the world to be like it used to be before The Erase. They are appalled that the Lindens have allowed unlimited and unnatural terraforming to occur, especially in some of the first regions the Lindens opened to the public and the land released in the recent bulk auctions. There are certain regions in the world that still bear a resemblance to their former pre-Erase landscape, basically any place the Lindens have limited terraforming or made it unavailable all together. This is especially evident in the regions just south and east of Immaculate (extending down into the snowy regions and the newly revealed separate southern continent) and the Atoll continent to the north.

My mom and my great grandma, Cessadia Thetan, have more of an understanding of how the Lindens' Grid has affected our world. Where the Lindens have allowed more leeway in terraforming limits the land is almost unrecognizable to them. They understand that if it weren't for the Lindens' Grid--we wouldn't be able to be here. The Grid has brought some stability back to this world, and additional convenience that wasn't here before, but it also is not completely safe.

My dad and I have only their stories, and some notebooks my great grandpa left, as a reference to what this world once was like. Dad had never been here before (my stepdad Adam, not my dad that was lost in the Erase) and I have only a few disjointed childhood memories of being here. After being involved with the Dn'i restoration in Uru a few years ago I have a better sense of how important money is to making it possible to continue a project like this. That former was restoring an ancient city in a cavern below New Mexico... this is a much bigger endeavor.

The Lindens punched through into an alternate world that was completely unstable and erected a grid that they have been slowly expanding over the last few years. I have no idea how much power or money it takes, I would hope that they were making it as easy as possible for those immigrating here to put down roots and help grow this world. As The Grid expands larger and larger it will take more power and more money to keep it functional. There is a limit to how much the Lindens can do and I can understand why they would slowly relinguish their duties to others willing to take them on.

Unfortunately, giving up control means that newly revealed regions are not going to necessary blend in with neighboring regions, nor will they likely resemble anything close to their pre-Erase condition. Those new developers are going to do what they think needs to be done to make those new regions viable. Perhaps an evolution of sorts will determine whether those new regions survive. Regardless, this is a new world. Most of the old world has been lost forever and those who are here now will shape it to today's needs.

I understand the frustrations of those who feel locked in to the limitations that the Lindens' Grid imposes on us here in Second Life. It may be that in this world we will have to accept those limitations and work within them to be here. I would like to see the Lindens modify their grid technology and allow us to visit other worlds/realities that are not necessarily set up the same way as this one is. Ones that allow residents to dig tunnels under the ground, leave the ground and travel through space to visit other planets and ones that are simply space and have no ground at all. Also to have the ability to disregard traditional connected space and allow us to recombine the space we occupy with others according to our own size requirements and proximity. I would like their technology to be more flexible like that in the future.

I hope that's where we are headed.