Can anybody explain the strategy behind camping chairs?
They pay you to sit in it.
And they offer you a chance to earn more per hr if you play the slot.
How does the owner make money for paying people to sit in these chairs?
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Sophist Harbinger
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12-15-2005 01:51
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Frank Lardner
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12-15-2005 03:29
Linden Lab pays owners of properties for "dwell" ... its a subsidy intended to encourage owners to create content that will attract residents. Camping chairs are a "gaming" of the system, to profit-share the subsidy with folks who come and just be there, earning the owner some of that "dwell" subsidy.
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Kazuo Murakami
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12-15-2005 12:54
Basically, LL gives people real $$$ in direct proportion to how significantly they manage to turn SL into a boring, sleazy, worthless cesspool of greed and unoriginality.
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Sean Martin
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12-16-2005 07:58
Basically, LL gives people real $$$ in direct proportion to how significantly they manage to turn SL into a boring, sleazy, worthless cesspool of greed and unoriginality. L$5 per 10 minutes = L$30 an hour. L$30 x 5 accounts = L$150 an hour. L$150 x 24 hours = L$3600 a day. L$3600 = $13.10 USD (selling at current price of L$265/$1) $13.10 USD x 7 days = $91.70 USD a week. $91.70 x 4 weeks = $366.80 per month. I cashed the money out twice at somewhere around $350 USD (after fee's, server down time, crashes on my end) in the past two months. For a total of $696 so far. Helps me out for sure. Everyone else can draw their own opinions on the matter.  Besides dwell there is also the traffic rating. Which turns the find button into a real search engine like google. Where people PAY to get listed for higher result. Oh if anyone has this idea that people are stupid enough to sit at their desk while camping. Well then 4 accounts camping and 1 account running around the world having all kinds of fun. And getting payed for it. Then there is the fact we sleep and make money. Hey if someone wants to pay me their own cash for traffic. So be it. Meanwhile I still sell things on the side. Not like I'm missing out. It's called capitalization. Welcome to SL. Thats what it's more or less about at it's core. Don't like it then go play Ultima Online or something where you actually have to pay to play. Rather than get paid. (Not that it's a bad game.) Sorry for the smugness. Been seeing so many people complain about it.  _____________________
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Barbarra Blair
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12-16-2005 09:26
Mostly its to get at the top of the popularity list. It costs more Lindens than it earns in dwell, unless they wind up in the top 10% and get the cash incentive at the end of the month.
It is a silly strategy for anyone who is in SL for the money, as the sim fills up with campers and people can't get in to shop. _____________________
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Sean Martin
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12-16-2005 10:27
Mostly its to get at the top of the popularity list. It costs more Lindens than it earns in dwell, unless they wind up in the top 10% and get the cash incentive at the end of the month. It is a silly strategy for anyone who is in SL for the money, as the sim fills up with campers and people can't get in to shop. Yeah I agree with the shopping problem. I think people will eventually find a way around that in time. The owners of land I mean. Like maybe having a small section of land for "rented avatars on money seats"  Then have an abvious TP to the main store in the center or something. It could be made pretty and doesn't have to look ugly like those "Bush" signs. Something like a store front. But far away from the actuale store. So people, who want to buy stuff, can tp to the main store, club, etc, in another area away from the campers. that could also provide a second area for the search list. The people who actualy TP to the store are actual customers and can reflect on the traffic more accuratly. The traffic for the "store front" would just be to get it up in popularity.That is just my guess of what might happen. But I'm sure people can find more interesting ways to work things out eventually. Thats what I would do if I had the money. _____________________
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April Chung
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12-16-2005 10:39
I tried the camping chairs on my sim for two or 3 days. And after sat down and did the math with a good friend of mine. Its really not worth it.
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Sean Martin
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12-16-2005 10:45
I tried the camping chairs on my sim for two or 3 days. And after sat down and did the math with a good friend of mine. Its really not worth it. $350 USD isn't worth it? Maybe to you. Looks good in my pocket. Edit: Oh you mean being the land owner. Well yah. It is a loss of money on thier part. Dwell doesn't cover it in the least. But like Barbarra Blair said its popularity probably on top of it all. Oh well. gtg  I'm starting to use these forums like a chat. I gotta stop that._____________________
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April Chung
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12-16-2005 10:52
please explain your theory.
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Lizbeth Marlowe
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12-16-2005 10:56
I think Sean didn't understand...you were speaking as a sim owner, he is speaking as a chair camper. To a chair camper, it's definitely worth it. To a sim owner, depends on your values and goals I guess.
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Sean Martin
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12-16-2005 11:04
I think Sean didn't understand...you were speaking as a sim owner, he is speaking as a chair camper. To a chair camper, it's definitely worth it. To a sim owner, depends on your values and goals I guess. Yeah. woops Last post I swear! _____________________
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April Chung
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12-16-2005 11:06
I think Sean didn't understand...you were speaking as a sim owner, he is speaking as a chair camper. To a chair camper, it's definitely worth it. To a sim owner, depends on your values and goals I guess. So true, and how quickly you want to go broke as a sim owner. I dont have a business partner. _____________________
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Desmond Shang
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12-16-2005 11:19
L$5 per 10 minutes = L$30 an hour. L$30 x 5 accounts = L$150 an hour. L$150 x 24 hours = L$3600 a day. L$3600 = $13.10 USD (selling at current price of L$265/$1) $13.10 USD x 7 days = $91.70 USD a week. $91.70 x 4 weeks = $366.80 per month. I cashed the money out twice at somewhere around $350 USD (after fee's, server down time, crashes on my end) in the past two months. For a total of $696 so far. Helps me out for sure. Everyone else can draw their own opinions on the matter. Besides dwell there is also the traffic rating. Which turns the find button into a real search engine like google. Where people PAY to get listed for higher result. Oh if anyone has this idea that people are stupid enough to sit at their desk while camping. Well then 4 accounts camping and 1 account running around the world having all kinds of fun. And getting payed for it. Then there is the fact we sleep and make money. Hey if someone wants to pay me their own cash for traffic. So be it. Meanwhile I still sell things on the side. Not like I'm missing out. It's called capitalization. Welcome to SL. Thats what it's more or less about at it's core. Don't like it then go play Ultima Online or something where you actually have to pay to play. Rather than get paid. (Not that it's a bad game.) Sorry for the smugness. Been seeing so many people complain about it. Absolutely brilliant analysis. Were I more motivated I'd do the same, except I don't have the computers or accounts. If you and others are doing this with five accounts, it would not surprise me if at least one enterprising network manager out there was doing the same with fifty accounts and computers. _____________________
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Kazanture Aleixandre
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Let me explain u:
12-16-2005 12:49
let me explin u by looking to my one day transaction history.it is L$6/10min X 6 chairs in my casino-mall:
Total Chair Cost: 4828  it is not realistic 6X6X6X24=5184 because to get paid, u must complete every 10 mins.if u sit 59 mins u will get paid L$30 not L$36)Gambling machines outcome near chairs: 20997 Monthly tier for my 22K land: 125usd=L$33K/30=~L$1K/day -------------------- Total daily cost: L$23225 Gambling machines income near chairs: L$30620 Daily dwell: L$300-500 monthly dev inc award: near 100 usd=L$25K/30=L$833/day Plas i have 100 vendors in my place rented for HIGH traffic, 100XL$100/week=L$10000/7=L$1428/day ------------------ Total daily income: L$33181 Total daily net profit: L$9956 Of course there are worse & better days, but using more than 20 chairs is a complete loss(me tried ) |
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Zeta Riva
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12-16-2005 13:01
eh, Most of thetime youcna mke more money working then camping.
Plus FEW FEW people are goignto ahve more then 2 accoutns, honestly. Now if they were ALL free, that would be onething, but since its $10 a pop for additional accounts. camping is best done if yo can camp and play a free game at the same time.......which tends to lag you out. _____________________
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Sean Martin
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12-16-2005 20:04
eh, Most of thetime youcna mke more money working then camping. Plus FEW FEW people are goignto ahve more then 2 accoutns, honestly. Now if they were ALL free, that would be onething, but since its $10 a pop for additional accounts. camping is best done if yo can camp and play a free game at the same time.......which tends to lag you out. That is true. It did cost to get $40 to get those 5 accounts. First being free. But I made that back in the first few days of letting them cook on my network. As far as playing I can use one account for that and have 4 others being "rented out" to someone who wants traffic. It does lag if its all on one computer though. But since its each on thier own system it's all good. But yeah that is a rare setup for most people I guess. I think I just think its easy to setup but thats just because I have to do it in real life all the time.  Oh and the 50 accounts. Yeah that would cause mass chaos. LOL Linden Labs only allows 5 accouts per household. Or billing address. So unless someone is stealing cedit cards it wouldn't be possible to go over 10. At least I don't know of anyone with 3 (technical) households. If so I think they would be a bit to busy dealing with that, than messing with SL, if that were the case. Hehe I suppose some do cheat and get more than 5 in some other way though. Somehow. I never looked into it. (Other than the double billing address some have) Business credit card and personal. I guess that is cheating sort of. But I don't do that. _____________________
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