Using Upload and Rating fees for Event support... Lindens Say No.

Ok, in the town hall meeting, someone asked about using the upload and increased ratings fees, which lindens described as basically "inconsequential" to the overall economy, for funding an Event Support pool.

Phillip lindens reply was that he asked that question at an event, and the overall opinion of it was that it was not wanted.

Haney Linden: Doctor Bombay: A rumor is floating that you are considering taking a portion of stipend/bonus/whatever and pooling it to provide LL Event support.
Haney Linden: Will you please address this AND couldnt the "pittance" of rate money and upload fees be used instead?
Philip Linden: I asked a question about that at an event...
Philip Linden: because I wanted to understand opinion.
Philip Linden: I don't think that would be a majority desire, and so I do not think that it would make sense to do.

Does this make sense to anyone? Or do you see what I see... that their saying the Sitizens of SL would rather have NO event support, than to have event support funded from something that the lindens do not consider to have a major impact on the economy.

I don't want any more cookie cutter "AV contest", "Bingo contest", "Cum fuck our dirty whore cumshot rimshot buckshot escort services, oh yeah, and this stupid contest", or other type of events supported any more, no.

The event listing is just a bunch of spam right now. With the lack of LL support, it'll dry up a bit and the real quality stuff will start to come out.

I agree with what you said, Moleculor, except that now events will be sponsored by anyone but LL. So, while there may be some distinctive quality events, the corporations that have money in SL already--clubs, booty call hangouts, etc.--will still have their share of events. Actually, I will hesitantly say that there may be more of those kind of events than the quality ones. Hosts of quality events probably won't want to beg people to support them, while strip club events won't need to beg at all.

if they do this then we are back where we started ....money needs to come out of the game due to infkation...if they just put it back in under something else it solves nothing.

I still have seen no evidence supporting the contention that money needs to be removed from the economy.

I showed the last spreadsheet Philip released to an economics professor friend of mine and he just laughed when I told him of the "rumor/belief" this was being claimed/presented as evidence of inflation. If I remember his specific comment, it was something like, "Saying that would be equivalent to allowing division by zero in math... the result is redefining the language of economics as I teach it to something completely different."

That's because people are hell bent on believing this to be a "let's deprive event hosts" action instead of a "let's reduce inflation" action. And I don't think they really want to be disabused of that idea. Oh well.

i totally agree that there needed to be a change to all the come show us your tits & ass events. but this doesn't really seem like the way to do it. event hosting is going to become strictly elitist. only the people who know how to script or build or design or whatever else the lindens deem acceptable will be able to host events & get support. from what i have seen in the forums in the last few days the people that know how to do these things & support the changes have no desire for money from the lindens any way......or is this the point of why they are making this change?!?!?!?!

not everbody hosts useless t & a events & to them this change is perhaps taking away their only source of income.

stricter guidelines yes but only educational seems a little harsh...........

How about implementing a direct teleport to event fee? That fee than goes to the event holder.

I don't think event spam is an issue yet, really, but if it does become an issue than you could have a deal where you need to pay L$ in order to to benefit from that arrangement.

I think events are a great part of SL. Simply removing support without a suitable replacement because there are a lot of silly events is not the answer.

Unfortunately this is a closed society ( did he know that) there has to be balance because when there isn't the scale is going to drop hard on one side or the other. I don't belive the last spreadsheet was evidence that there is inflation but there are indicators that I think show we are headed towards inflation if something isn't done.

If LL didn't believe there was inflation in the future then why did they act?

As it is a totally closed economy with LL having perfect ledgers of the money supply, their ability to see inflation is - literally - perfect. That is, if L$ "printed" by the treasury is greater than increase in "GDP" as measured by sales then there is a devaluation of the L$. As to whether that is laughable to a RL economist is irrelevant as RL economists don't have the same amount of information as does LL, nor do LL's published figures necessarily give the whole picture, nor do economists agree on almost anything, ever.

I was beginning to notice a drop in the virtual CPI through my purely unscientific, ideosyncratic eyes.

1. Did you explain the fact that this was a growing community of people?
2. Did you show him the LAST spreadsheet released as well to compare the values?

Korg, a few famous jokes for you:

"Economics is the only field in which two people can share a Nobel Prize for saying opposing things."

"Three econometricians went out hunting, and came across a large deer. The first econometrician fired, but missed, by a meter to the left. The second econometrician fired, but also missed, by a meter to the right. The third econometrician didn't fire, but shouted in triumph, "We got it! We got it!""

"Q. What's the difference between an economist and a befuddled old man with Alzheimer's?
A. The economist is the one with the calculator. "

"Q:Why did God create economists ?
A:In order to make weather forecasters look good. "

"When an economist says the evidence is "mixed," he or she means that theory says one thing and data says the opposite. "

"Folks came from afar just to see
Two Economists who'd agreed to agree.
While the event did take place,
It proved a disgrace;
They agreed one plus one adds to three. "

That's funny, I've heard the same things about physicists.

Really though, there are so many schools of thought.

Yes and Yes.

I know for a fact, there are many events that I wouldnt want to contribute to in the way of prize money out of my Linden pocket.

If you guys want to do this on your own, its a great idea. I think thats the point anyway....

fen-

Actually, your not. By using the fees that come from ratings and uploads, you are using money that is already in the system. I do agree that something had to be done. Ive stated several times that LL will go out of business if they keep dumping L into the system that can be changed into $ (who do you think pays the $ when an exchange is made). Using the L thats already in the system for event payouts solves that. They still stop putting L into the system, and event hosts stillg et something for their trouble. A win win situation.

But you're not fixing the obvious problem of spammed fake events taking up 90% of the calandar. How many T&A contests do we need an hour, anyway?




Uh, the player buying the $L? LLabs has nothing to do with the exchange of money on IGE or GOM. It hurts them none, helps them none.

Llabs could dump trillions of linden dollars into the market, and it wouldn't directly affect them, as they aren't in the money exchange business. It WOULD ruin the economy, thus pushing them under, of course.



Event hosts, if they want to "get something for their trouble", shoudl try hosting events that are fun to host, or otherwise get player sponsorships ("Today's useless titty contest is brought to you by Big Bob's Bitchin Burger Barn... mm mm burgers!" to cover the costs.

IF you make SL a burdeonsome job, why would you keep playing?

LF

this is not the same thing as using upload fees as a money sink. if they were going to just roll the money back into the pool somehow, it'd be simpler to not charge it at all.

then we'd have no money sink and six-thousand terrabytes of texture uploads within a month.

Exxxxxactly. And that money has to come OUT of the system, not be recycled back in.

to take indication of individuals at an event as indication as a whole is problematic: a simple issue of representative sample. i still say gender analysis would be helpful, but more important than this would be a bridging program to help events host funding constructs shift with our shifting paradigm. In other words, we need a script in a bad way.

Let me explain. The club where I work has split land ownership and when people pay at an event currently they pay the landowners and not the actual hosts of events. This ownership is complex and streaming funds from them to employees is difficult. What we need is a security system that alerts all who come to the property that they must pay a given amount to the scriptowner by a particular time or they will be ejected. the security system must have a key for staff so to speak, letting an excempted list of people come and go without paying a fee. anyone willing to take this on?

Thank you for your post, Korg: very interesting.