Privacy in Home

I am very new to SL but have invested a good sum of money to have fun. Last night two guys entered my mansion, it was not locked, and one of them started whipping my girl with a whip. I immediately ejected and banned him. He came right back. I called for help from LS HELP, I was told that because I was over water, that the banning did no good. I guess my thoughts about this are that I spent a lot of money buying an island and should be afforded some form of automated protection if needed.

If anyone has any ideas for this newbie, please let me know. Thanks in advance.

Cal

the best you can do is abuse report the perp and complain directly to lindens through IM, email and hotline postings. be sure to not list any av names publically. that will get you suspended. also be sure to not cross the line of protecting your self, friends or property in any way other than the built in land tools. to do so will prompt ll to classify you as a griefer and suspend or ban your account.

The problem is banning only works up to like 20m above your land, and when it comes to water the 'land' is the ocean floor, not the water. Probably your only immediate option in this regard is some form of security script, ideally a passive one. You can probably shop around and find something that will work. One that you can tell to ban a specific person and it'll auto eject them if they come into it's scanning radius. In my personal opinion, people like that should just have a large pointy object stuck into them and be done with it.

If you do choose to use a security script, I beg you, learn to use it properly. Get it under control, don't have it teleport people home without warning (in fact, short of a repeat/habitual type greifer, don't TP anyone home ever), and PLEASE give enough time for someone to fly over your property without being unsat and ejected. Those things are like shotguns - they are effective to ridding your property of intruders, but setting one up to go off when the front door is open is WAY over the line.

I don't quite understand this setting. Over Linden water? Or over water you own? If you own it, your ban of him should work right over under and above that water. It sometimes happen that a griefer comes back and gets in before you can manage to work the banning tools. But now that you have this av banned off your property, he cannot come into your house, which is your immediate concern.

I would suggest doing nothing more. I know that goes against the SL tide, but I think you have to think about several things here.

Most griefers do not repeat. They are people who make temp trial accounts and fool around for a day or two but then they quit because they don't want to pay for their account. If they have been doing this level of harassment, LL will probably have them banned for the remainder of their trial account anyway.

Honestly, most griefers don't repeat. They just don't. I know because I track a lot of them and help people with them.

The kind of griefer you have to worry about more is one with a lot of days on them, with armies etc playing some kind of mafia game with YOU, and if you aren't in that kind of game, and you've experienced a random attack like that, the chances are really, really high it will not repeat. Most griefers aren't systematic like that to bother. If he is a person unknown to you with few days, let it go.

I know you are feeling very angry and abused now. But try to think about what it means to put in a bounce script, as others are advising you here. It means that EVERYBODY, friend and foe, who just HAPPENS to fly by your property is going to have their av bounced around, and get a face full of red lines and a nasty, nasty experience. With some scripts, you may be bounced into the next sim, or out over the void, or back to your set-home. And that is a really, really, aggravating experience.

Think about how it will be to tp somebody who is your friend to your home, but if you haven't written them into the script, they will get this nasty, aggravating experience.

I really hate these things. I view them as weapons. And so does LL. But they don't do it consistently. Because they are trying to maximize creativity for the scripterati world in general. But none other than Lee Linden himself has said:

1. Scripts must contain a warning, i.e. you must get a warning when you fly or hover near it that says "Can't Enter Parcel Not on Access List" or some such -- not do the ejection before getting a warning and a sufficient amount of seconds to back off.
2. Scripts must not bounce you all the way back home
3. Scripts cannot eject you really far away i.e. to the next sim over.

I totally support what Jillian says. Why should you get a canon (not a shot gun!) and shoot at EVERYONE who has the misfortune to fly over your property or even hover near it, i.e. if they happen to be building or planting to you next door? That is TOTALLY unfair, and why? because of one random griefing incident?

The expectations that people have of this game are excessive. When they are disappointed even once, they often institute some script, behaviour, or building that in fact destroys even the reasonable expectations that every one else has in the game. Don't do that!

Av ban and parcel bans are really sufficient to get rid of anybody who wants to come in your home. To be sure, the problem with people coming in way up in the air remains but...ask yourself, if you aren't in a sky box, is that really at issue?

I only suggested a script that bounces SELECT AVATARS, namely the offender in question. I personally despise bounce scripts and ban lines, but builds over a certain height above the land surface are not protected by the built in land tools, so I can see a legitimate use for a script that you can add individual people to who are griefing you.

Edit: In fact, polite targeted scripts are the ONLY thing that was suggested. That and the OP made it pretty obvious he wasn't talking about prim water. Your diatribe was entirely unnecessary.

That sounds like a well thought out solution, Karsten. You obviously know your way around this subject. I was just flying over the new continent and I got warned by a security script. It gave me enough time to get away without being bounced. I think that's perfectly acceptable when the land owner has paid a lot for a nice place.

looking back at the title of the thread, i should clarify a point.

there is no privacy on the second life mainland. i do think ll should back off and let the community police itself. but that's a different matter from privacy. there is no privacy on the second life mainland. the more i learn of ways that people can see and hear, the better i understand and the more foolish it is of me to expect any privacy on the second life mainland.

if you want privacy, you have to purchase an estate sim.

The worst problems I have had so far are with "arty" (usually young) avis that just have no sense of right and wrong. Mostly these seem to be idiot kids with as much respect for SL as they have for RL (which is to say none at all), and some of these people stay for much longer.

Because the Linden laws are practically non-existent, there is nothing one can do seemingly to protect oneself from them, and any retaliation is an escalation will cause the Lindens will come after you. I find this strange considering the amount of stuff like this that goes on in the game.

I have been shot and bounced many times and had idiots destroy my builds while I was making them. A couple of times I was bounced causing me to crash which led to losing *thousands* of dollars of purchased inventory. Yet the little imps causing such "fun" just laugh, and as serious, paying customers, we are just expected to shrug it off?

I have also many times already been subject to some idiot right next to your property making offensive builds or ugly builds right in your face for no purpose other than to ruin your day, but there is again NOTHING that can be done.

I am all for having the *least* laws necessary, but there must be some kind of intermediary punishment or "rating" that could be done. If there is no disadvantage to acting like a jerk, then jerks will flourish.

IMO we need something like the rating system (currently totally busted) so that there is at least a little down side to acting like an ass. Some way of letting people know "hey this person is a jerk" without causing an avalanche of counter rating from them and all their friends.