Economic impact of higher ban limits

Today they raised ban limits 200m when they were 30m.

I can only imagine that this was done because 50 people kept complaining about the occasional griefer who took advantage of it. The rest of us like things the way it was.

I own a single 512m lot. I sell stuff there including flying vehicles. I also have a sky pad with an automatic door that opens when I fly close. My land is 80% surrounded by absentee land owners who have their land constantly on NO ENTRY. The cool view from my sky pad is ruined by NO ENTRY messages in every direction, and there is nothing I can do about it.

I can no longer fly to my own lot, and store patrons cant try vehicles from my lot. My land value has dropped because of this. Lots of hard work, down the toilet.

But that is just my story.

What about script writers who sell security scripts that are useless?, what about other flying vehicle vendors who rely on free skies for business?

Exploring is a primary activity in SL, it was a principle design element of SL, it is the reason there are continents instead of hundreds of individual islands. All of that has effectively gone to waste in one poorly thought out move that only a small percentage of the residents wanted.

Change it back!

i can understand your problem but i don't see a real solution, to me the 200 meters lines are good, at least for bans, being banned relally mean soimething now, but yeah there are downsides

well for the security makers, itsnot a big loss really, they will find something else to sell

Obviously the large numbers of ban lines across the mainland indicate that its not a small portion or just 50 people who wanted this change. 80% of the area around your land should give you isnight itno that..if it was only 50 people - 3 of them right next door?

Not bloody likely. Get a clue..

I had no problem TPing into your location. Flying up was an adventure but I made it to over 200 M and can go anywhere from there. Why do people need to fly to you store when TPing is much more efficient?

Because there are people who do enjoy the actual process of traveling. I'm one of them. I TP only if I'm in a hurry or if the distance is really far. There is beauty is sailing in the clouds or watching nature and buildings slide by your view. TP takes the fun out of that.

I guess you know then that LL won't go lower on ban because of a real, actual few's complaints, right? As opposed to the many users who wanted higher lines.

No one has problems with the ban aspect. The problem is that the height of the group wall is just as high, thus preventing travel by people who are not on either list (not banned, not group). A number of landowners like myself don't mind flyovers.

Furthermore the person you're blocking could very well be your neighbor, whom you're not banning. If everyone set their walls up then no one can travel around the neighborhood without jetpacks or TP. It will hinder the social aspect of the community which is the whole point of an MMO environment.

According to Torley thats being fixed, seperating the two. Ban may even go higher, but access only is going down.

But how long will that take? Apparently, at the code level blacklist bans and whitelist bans are tied together, seperating the two is a major operation.

Until they can seperate them, they need to return things to the way they were.

What percentage of land is set to ban on? The majority isn't, in fact it is less than 20%. That 20% is enough to cause significant flight navigation issues.

What percentage of that 20% actually need more than 30m? The vast majority of the people that have ban turned on have it set to group only, so they can have group events without being invaded by event crashers, or it is set to individual only so they can finish their building project without being disturbed.

The vast majority of those 20% dont have tall buildings. The vast majority of those 20% probably have never even been griefed on their property.

So the number of lots that use blacklist bans that have tall buildings on their lot has got to be less than 1% of all land owners. So my "50" estimate may be low, but not by much.

The number of people who are negatively affected by this change significantly outweights the number of people who needed it.

200m is WAY better than 30m.

@ 30m, greifers would simply fly above my land and taunt me. Now I give them the finger. Bwahahaha.

Until you are ready to move to a better plot, put a teleport pad at ground level and move your flying vehicle store up to 200 m.

I really, really, hate those ban lines.

One obvious interim measure would be to move the current ban height down to 100m. 100m is tall enough for almost every build I've seen on the mainland. A tweak to the hover height code that lets us fly up to 120m over the highest ground in the sim means we can fly over the ban lines without fly boost and pilot vehicles over them (at least at a reasonable altitude). When the code is separated I don't have a problem with ban lines for active ban reaching 4096m (which is about the limit of controllable movement in a vehicle I seem to recall) the buy pass, or not on group block - 64m over ground level seems reasonable to me. 100m could also work with the tweaked hover height.

Any less with the active ban - you can still be easily griefed in a number of obvious ways. If you're on the mainland you're still in trouble mind, how much of the mainland is more than 100m from the nearest Linden Land, so you can be abused by shouting, the rest I'll not mention in case they give people ideas, not that they seem to need the help.

30m was far to small

I own a nice piece of land, a little over 10,000 square meters with a house and a ban just around the house itself, not on the majority of the land.

Unfortionately passers by would occasionally sit on my roof (I guess the roof is above 30m) while I was inside and join in on my conversations in there. I ended up putting invis prims on the roof to take them out of conversation range.

I dont consider them as griefers, they were probably just flying over, saw some green dots on the map and decided to join in an interesting conversation, but it did make a mockery of the idea of using the privacy tools.

Flying is overrated in SL, dear -- that's why we now have P-to-P teleporting. Besides, haven't you seen those screenshots of all the cr*p in the sky? How can you fly thru all that, anyway?

I really don't care much about the security script writers -- most of them are ALSO writing the scripts for the chatloggers, stalker-objects, and weapons.

Did you even read Ariane's post? How does p-to-p teleporting allow us to explore? Really explore, not knowing where you'll wind up until you're there looking at that great piece of architecture you've never seen before or talking to a nice group of people you found sitting on a dock.

You might think flying is overrated. I certainly don't.

What have we come to ? Let's all restrict access and we'll have an entire concentration grid or concentration camp where we all fit tightly in our own little boxes. Where we can't move 1mm beyond our property lines. I can't believe that an environement that promotes "community" actually means a community of convicts, each in our own locked cell. Guess what? You're locked in .. it's not your red lines you see but your neighbors. They have surrounded you, blocked you in. Was this a solution for allowing free, unlimited, unverified accounts for griefers? This is not a good direction for any community. As usual infinite stupidity trumps common sense.

Thank you Linden Labs for giving us Stalag SL.

Have fun hittign security scripts.