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Iron Perth
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03-13-2006 18:15
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Very very cool idea!

Hopefully, we are bidding on a *GROUP* of land spaces, rather than each land space in our reservation individually.

Could you imagine, for example, a well known landbardon reserving a group and then someone deciding to bid for one of the spaces in the middle of that group?

I'm pretty sure they'll have taken care of that issue.
crucial Armitage
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03-13-2006 20:07
sounds interesting i can see it now any and all of the available space near the main land will be up in smoke with in 10 mins of the new client coming on line

speaking of the main land where on the map can people reserve land i wonder

meaning where as in what side of the main land proper
Iron Perth
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03-13-2006 21:47
I believe it's just for islands.

I think the direction they are going in is migrating more rental functionality to the islands, rather than giving people ad hoc access to developing the mainland like they did with the bulk sims as that did not turn out so hot.

The question is, up to what point will LL assume the asset risk? My guess is they will always stop short of what you have on the mainland and you'll always have the risk of your landlord going under and taking away your parcel.

I wonder, though, how LL will deal when customers inevitably point the finger at them, since they did profit somewhat throughout the whole enterprise. It'll be a challenge, I'm sure.
Iron Perth
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03-13-2006 23:38
Basically, you're all bidding on map space.

Think of it like the million dollar homepage, and LL is auctioning off that area you first see when you click the map button.

If you don't want to pay through the nose, then create a space off the map and bid on it, if someone out bids you .. fine. Just stop bidding and then bid on another big space elsewhere. Eventually people will realise they are wasting their money following you around.


However ... if you want to grow your land on the main map, you have to pay for it. It's precious and *limited* real estate.

Sometime in the far future that main map will be entirely consumed and will be the entry point for everyone .. the question is, do you want to invest and reserve it now?
Jesrad Seraph
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03-14-2006 00:55
Meh, this is just a simplified way for people to buy a private island and place it themselves. What's the big deal ?

Before: indicate to Lindens where to place the island, receive written authorisation of the owner of any sim it'd touch, then LL places it by hand at the emplacement specified.

Now: click on the space on the grid where to place the island, click button confirming emplacement for sims you own already that you want it to connect to, the island is automatically placed when brought online.
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Iron Perth
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03-14-2006 01:08
Well, what if someone were to start firing up sims right next to Adam Zaius or Dreamland, such that they have to expand around them if they wish to grow.

Not only would they end up with oddball sims in the middle of their expansions, but the expansions themselves will be somewhat spaghetti like and fragmented.
Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 01:21
Eh so a spot gets filled with a sim. If they didn't want others sims there, they should have bought the spot to begin with.

Who really cares?
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Jesrad Seraph
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03-14-2006 01:31
From: Iron Perth
Well, what if someone were to start firing up sims right next to Adam Zaius or Dreamland, such that they have to expand around them if they wish to grow.

Wouldn't they just have to outbid the parasites ?
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Iron Perth
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03-14-2006 01:32
Well, the result is that Dreamland, Adam Zaius, and whoever else that wish to become larger revenue generating customers of LL are discouraged and reconsider their plans for expansion.
Iron Perth
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03-14-2006 01:33
From: Jesrad Seraph
Wouldn't they just have to outbid the parasites ?


It seems rather probable that they simply will not bother and will look for other activities (possibly outside of SL) that are more profitable and less hassle prone.
Iron Perth
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03-14-2006 01:34
Generally, when adding product features your role as product manager is to make it easier for your customers to spend money, not harder.

Unless of course the point of this product is to make it harder for large groups of islands to exist. I think there probably could ahve been more straightforward ways of doing that, but I suppose this is certainly one approach.
Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 01:35
You don't sphere of legos starting at the outside and work in.

You don't build a continent by building around where you want to build.

They had the chance to buy those grid coord.

They passed them up.

Noone to blame but themselves.
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Iron Perth
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03-14-2006 01:38
It's not really an issue of blame.

I suspect that most people aren't really that dissapointed, down in their hearts, that this is happening.

After all, SL is a lot of risk and this is a good excuse to persue less risky activities.
Jonas Pierterson
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03-14-2006 01:53
I'd say Siggy is worse off.. his diving boards went kaput
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03-14-2006 02:36
From: Iron Perth
Well, what if someone were to start firing up sims right next to Adam Zaius or Dreamland, such that they have to expand around them if they wish to grow.

Not only would they end up with oddball sims in the middle of their expansions, but the expansions themselves will be somewhat spaghetti like and fragmented.


Precisely. Surely they should drop the charge to move an island in these situations.

If, because of this policy, someone else bids your island into non-expansion, you should not have to pay LL for the privilege to move.

I can see the benefit of reserving space for a large development, it's having to pay if you get surrounded I take issue too.
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03-14-2006 04:07
From: Jonas Pierterson
You don't sphere of legos starting at the outside and work in.

You don't build a continent by building around where you want to build.

They had the chance to buy those grid coord.

They passed them up.

Noone to blame but themselves.


No you build where you want to build then expand outward unless an extortionist reserves a ring of spaces around you and prevents further expantion. Or do you think people have infinite money and can afford to throw thousands away to protect who knows how much space. WRONG If you had the money to pay out tons of extortion money you could use it to expand again. Except the expantion increases the area you need to pay extortion money on. Lets say your just starting up and can afford 4x4 you know you want to expand as you profit so you want to reserve 3 sims out around you. That reservation costs $600/mo your only paying $780/mo for the sims you are actually using. For the extortion money your paying you could almost afford another sim in 2 months... if you hadn't thrown your money away paying LL protection money. Still think it's their fault?
Khamon Fate
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03-14-2006 05:22
What would be really cool is if we could reserve spaces where void sims are installed on the mainland!

Geez Khamon! I can't believe you just said that.
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