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kerunix Flan

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Join date: 3 Sep 2005

Posts: 393

03-03-2006 14:23

From time to time, i have a random player that nuke my casino and force my 8 camper to "unsit" (pushed many sims away) and of course, make my "normal" player (not camper) very angry.
They, and i, report them, ban them, etc ...

Today, i had to make the land "no script" "no create/edit", i hope it will avoid the weapon/bomb/etc problem.
but... doing that, i can't have any external casino machine, or an ATM (like the ginko ATM).

Hopefully, i resolved a problem. But... i created others problems...
Players can't bling and poof and AO and whatever they want.
Tiny can be "tiny" anymore (it's an AO).
etc ...

Everytime the casino is nuked, the loss is big... huge... for me and, of course, for the camper (losing all the benefit of their won bonus). There is no loss for the "normal" player, as he can come back or wait the machine timeout and refund, but he's angry.

Here is the idea :
Instead of a *so* annoying option like "no script" "no rez" option, a "no push" land option could resolve all PVP problems.

Tre Armistice

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Join date: 14 Dec 2005

Posts: 26

!!!!!

03-03-2006 14:36

From: kerunix Flan

From time to time, i have a random player that nuke my casino and force my 8 camper to "unsit" (pushed many sims away) and of course, make my "normal" player (not camper) very angry.
They, and i, report them, ban them, etc ...

Today, i had to make the land "no script" "no create/edit", i hope it will avoid the weapon/bomb/etc problem.
but... doing that, i can't have any external casino machine, or an ATM (like the ginko ATM).

Hopefully, i resolved a problem. But... i created others problems...
Players can't bling and poof and AO and whatever they want.
Tiny can be "tiny" anymore (it's an AO).
etc ...

Everytime the casino is nuked, the loss is big... huge... for me and, of course, for the camper (losing all the benefit of their won bonus). There is no loss for the "normal" player, as he can come back or wait the machine timeout and refund, but he's angry.

Here is the idea :
Instead of a *so* annoying option like "no script" "no rez" option, a "no push" land option could resolve all PVP problems.

GREAT IDEA!! TAT WORKS WAY BETTER THEN BANNING ALL WEAPONS AND ELIMINATING PVP IN SL. You list this in the feature suggestion thing where the ppl vote on it? This would be a very great alternative to everything else LL does to stop random griefing attacks (which never really works).

Jonas Pierterson

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03-03-2006 14:39

I agree with Tre..scarilly..

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Argent Stonecutter

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03-03-2006 15:03

From: kerunix Flan

From time to time, i have a random player that nuke my casino and force my 8 camper to "unsit"

If they force them to unsit they aren't just a random player:

From: someone

llUnSit(key id)

If the agent identified by id is sitting on the scripted object or is over land owned by the scripted object's owner, the agent is forced to stand up.

When dealing with group land, the object owner must be the group. It won't work if the object owner is a member or officer in the group; the object itself must be deeded.

Is your land group-owned? Who are the officers in the group, if so?

Tre Armistice

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Join date: 14 Dec 2005

Posts: 26

.......

03-03-2006 15:05

From: Argent Stonecutter

If they force them to unsit they aren't just a random player:
Is your land group-owned? Who are the officers in the group, if so?

Until now i thought it was impossiple to unsit someone

!!! WHAT!!

YOU CAN!!! ..... all the time i wasted...... all the time....

kerunix Flan

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Join date: 3 Sep 2005

Posts: 393

03-03-2006 15:16

ok, i'm not sure about the unsit thingy.
maybe the fact that my little camping was empty is just a coincidence.

But the point is the "no push" option. not my little problem with my casino

Jon Rolland

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Join date: 3 Oct 2005

Posts: 705

03-03-2006 16:42

not No Push use No Outside Push(works like no outside script) that way objects owned by the land owner(like a bull at a country bar) can still push but a bomb owned by a visitor can't.

Merlyn Bailly

owner, AVALON GALLERIA

Join date: 7 Sep 2005

Posts: 576

completely unnecessary proposal...

03-04-2006 00:12

From: Jon Rolland

not No Push use No Outside Push(works like no outside script) that way objects owned by the land owner(like a bull at a country bar) can still push but a bomb owned by a visitor can't.

That's why the LAND OPTIONS has a checkbox for "no third-party scripts", I believe, so that the scripts of the owner will work but not those run by people who do _NOT_ own the land.

Jon Rolland

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Join date: 3 Oct 2005

Posts: 705

03-04-2006 04:29

From: Merlyn Bailly

That's why the LAND OPTIONS has a checkbox for "no third-party scripts", I believe, so that the scripts of the owner will work but not those run by people who do _NOT_ own the land.

kerunix already covered that point. No one owning a public area wants to disable ALL 3rd party scripts except for extremely specific uses. But I bet most would kill to just disable 3rd party pushes.

Merlyn Bailly

owner, AVALON GALLERIA

Join date: 7 Sep 2005

Posts: 576

Campsites now have time limits on chairs, dear

03-05-2006 00:16

From: Tre Armistice

Until now i thought it was impossiple to unsit someone

!!! WHAT!!

YOU CAN!!! ..... all the time i wasted...... all the time....

I've noticed that in at least one place, the last week before I upgraded to premium and bought my First Land. The camp chair turned off at a certain point, and I was paid less than $100L. So it seems playing zombie is not as lucrative a pastime in SL as it has been in the past.

And when club owners tick off the retarded males in the SL pop by expecting them to behave like adults, and the overgrown little boys bring in their weapons and throw a tantrum, it discommodes alot of other people.

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Introvert Petunia

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Join date: 11 Sep 2004

Posts: 2,065

03-05-2006 02:29

There have been recurring petitions to the all-knowing Lindens of various levels of intensity since prior to 2004. They don't care about the push-weapons, therefore, you shouldn't.

Fade Languish

I just build stuff...

Join date: 20 Oct 2005

Posts: 1,760

03-05-2006 05:32

From: Merlyn Bailly

I've noticed that in at least one place, the last week before I upgraded to premium and bought my First Land. The camp chair turned off at a certain point, and I was paid less than $100L. So it seems playing zombie is not as lucrative a pastime in SL as it has been in the past.

Sorry had to laugh at this... considering your accusations elsewhere.

Mica Yamabushi

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Join date: 7 Nov 2005

Posts: 3

03-05-2006 05:42

unsit does NOT exist, unless it is an officer of deeded land or the land owner.

Ghost Hauptmann

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Join date: 1 Jan 2006

Posts: 25

03-05-2006 07:27

Unsit exists, it is called server reset.

kerunix Flan

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Join date: 3 Sep 2005

Posts: 393

03-05-2006 08:23

As i said, "no outside script" option is too restrictive.
Because of that, i can't put an ATM in my casino, the tiny AO don't work, etc

About the unsit, i said it too...
I tought the 8 chair was empty because of the attack, but no...
I hadn't any attack since i changed the land option and, sometimes, the chair are empty just because "there is no ppl to sit on it". Not because of an attack or something like that.

Anyway... this "no-push" option could avoid a huge majority of pvp abuse.
And it's good

Argent Stonecutter

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Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 20,263

No Outside Push is useful... BUT...

03-05-2006 10:09

It won't stop P2P combat or griefing.

There's ways to throw someone a sim away without using llPushObject. There's other ways you can cause just as much grief as Pushing people around will.

SL is simply too big for a laissez-faire attitude from Linden Labs to work any more.

"NO PUSH" land option
kerunix Flan Registered User Join date: 3 Sep 2005 Posts: 393	03-03-2006 14:23 From time to time, i have a random player that nuke my casino and force my 8 camper to "unsit" (pushed many sims away) and of course, make my "normal" player (not camper) very angry. They, and i, report them, ban them, etc ... Today, i had to make the land "no script" "no create/edit", i hope it will avoid the weapon/bomb/etc problem. but... doing that, i can't have any external casino machine, or an ATM (like the ginko ATM). Hopefully, i resolved a problem. But... i created others problems... Players can't bling and poof and AO and whatever they want. Tiny can be "tiny" anymore (it's an AO). etc ... Everytime the casino is nuked, the loss is big... huge... for me and, of course, for the camper (losing all the benefit of their won bonus). There is no loss for the "normal" player, as he can come back or wait the machine timeout and refund, but he's angry. Here is the idea : Instead of a so annoying option like "no script" "no rez" option, a "no push" land option could resolve all PVP problems.
Tre Armistice Registered User Join date: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 26	!!!!! 03-03-2006 14:36 From: kerunix Flan From time to time, i have a random player that nuke my casino and force my 8 camper to "unsit" (pushed many sims away) and of course, make my "normal" player (not camper) very angry. They, and i, report them, ban them, etc ... Today, i had to make the land "no script" "no create/edit", i hope it will avoid the weapon/bomb/etc problem. but... doing that, i can't have any external casino machine, or an ATM (like the ginko ATM). Hopefully, i resolved a problem. But... i created others problems... Players can't bling and poof and AO and whatever they want. Tiny can be "tiny" anymore (it's an AO). etc ... Everytime the casino is nuked, the loss is big... huge... for me and, of course, for the camper (losing all the benefit of their won bonus). There is no loss for the "normal" player, as he can come back or wait the machine timeout and refund, but he's angry. Here is the idea : Instead of a so annoying option like "no script" "no rez" option, a "no push" land option could resolve all PVP problems. GREAT IDEA!! TAT WORKS WAY BETTER THEN BANNING ALL WEAPONS AND ELIMINATING PVP IN SL. You list this in the feature suggestion thing where the ppl vote on it? This would be a very great alternative to everything else LL does to stop random griefing attacks (which never really works).
Jonas Pierterson Dark Harlequin Join date: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 3,660	03-03-2006 14:39 I agree with Tre..scarilly.. _____________________ Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	03-03-2006 15:03 From: kerunix Flan From time to time, i have a random player that nuke my casino and force my 8 camper to "unsit" If they force them to unsit they aren't just a random player: From: someone llUnSit(key id) If the agent identified by id is sitting on the scripted object or is over land owned by the scripted object's owner, the agent is forced to stand up. When dealing with group land, the object owner must be the group. It won't work if the object owner is a member or officer in the group; the object itself must be deeded. Is your land group-owned? Who are the officers in the group, if so?
Tre Armistice Registered User Join date: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 26	....... 03-03-2006 15:05 From: Argent Stonecutter If they force them to unsit they aren't just a random player: Is your land group-owned? Who are the officers in the group, if so? Until now i thought it was impossiple to unsit someone !!! WHAT!! YOU CAN!!! ..... all the time i wasted...... all the time....
kerunix Flan Registered User Join date: 3 Sep 2005 Posts: 393	03-03-2006 15:16 ok, i'm not sure about the unsit thingy. maybe the fact that my little camping was empty is just a coincidence. But the point is the "no push" option. not my little problem with my casino
Jon Rolland Registered User Join date: 3 Oct 2005 Posts: 705	03-03-2006 16:42 not No Push use No Outside Push(works like no outside script) that way objects owned by the land owner(like a bull at a country bar) can still push but a bomb owned by a visitor can't.
Merlyn Bailly owner, AVALON GALLERIA Join date: 7 Sep 2005 Posts: 576	completely unnecessary proposal... 03-04-2006 00:12 From: Jon Rolland not No Push use No Outside Push(works like no outside script) that way objects owned by the land owner(like a bull at a country bar) can still push but a bomb owned by a visitor can't. That's why the LAND OPTIONS has a checkbox for "no third-party scripts", I believe, so that the scripts of the owner will work but not those run by people who do _NOT_ own the land.
Jon Rolland Registered User Join date: 3 Oct 2005 Posts: 705	03-04-2006 04:29 From: Merlyn Bailly That's why the LAND OPTIONS has a checkbox for "no third-party scripts", I believe, so that the scripts of the owner will work but not those run by people who do _NOT_ own the land. kerunix already covered that point. No one owning a public area wants to disable ALL 3rd party scripts except for extremely specific uses. But I bet most would kill to just disable 3rd party pushes.
Merlyn Bailly owner, AVALON GALLERIA Join date: 7 Sep 2005 Posts: 576	Campsites now have time limits on chairs, dear 03-05-2006 00:16 From: Tre Armistice Until now i thought it was impossiple to unsit someone !!! WHAT!! YOU CAN!!! ..... all the time i wasted...... all the time.... I've noticed that in at least one place, the last week before I upgraded to premium and bought my First Land. The camp chair turned off at a certain point, and I was paid less than $100L. So it seems playing zombie is not as lucrative a pastime in SL as it has been in the past. And when club owners tick off the retarded males in the SL pop by expecting them to behave like adults, and the overgrown little boys bring in their weapons and throw a tantrum, it discommodes alot of other people. _____________________ SL used to be a game -- now it's a corporate advertising/marketing platform.
Introvert Petunia over 2 billion posts Join date: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,065	03-05-2006 02:29 There have been recurring petitions to the all-knowing Lindens of various levels of intensity since prior to 2004. They don't care about the push-weapons, therefore, you shouldn't.
Fade Languish I just build stuff... Join date: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 1,760	03-05-2006 05:32 From: Merlyn Bailly I've noticed that in at least one place, the last week before I upgraded to premium and bought my First Land. The camp chair turned off at a certain point, and I was paid less than $100L. So it seems playing zombie is not as lucrative a pastime in SL as it has been in the past. Sorry had to laugh at this... considering your accusations elsewhere.
Mica Yamabushi Registered User Join date: 7 Nov 2005 Posts: 3	03-05-2006 05:42 unsit does NOT exist, unless it is an officer of deeded land or the land owner.
Ghost Hauptmann Registered User Join date: 1 Jan 2006 Posts: 25	03-05-2006 07:27 Unsit exists, it is called server reset.
kerunix Flan Registered User Join date: 3 Sep 2005 Posts: 393	03-05-2006 08:23 As i said, "no outside script" option is too restrictive. Because of that, i can't put an ATM in my casino, the tiny AO don't work, etc About the unsit, i said it too... I tought the 8 chair was empty because of the attack, but no... I hadn't any attack since i changed the land option and, sometimes, the chair are empty just because "there is no ppl to sit on it". Not because of an attack or something like that. Anyway... this "no-push" option could avoid a huge majority of pvp abuse. And it's good
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	No Outside Push is useful... BUT... 03-05-2006 10:09 It won't stop P2P combat or griefing. There's ways to throw someone a sim away without using llPushObject. There's other ways you can cause just as much grief as Pushing people around will. SL is simply too big for a laissez-faire attitude from Linden Labs to work any more.

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