The End of Landscanning?

Release Notes for Second Life 1.9.0(9) Mar 2, 2006
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Features:
* All "Abandoned" land now reverts to Governor Linden ownership
** In the past, land smaller than 512 sq. m. would revert to Public Land upon abandonment
** Now all land Abandoned land will go up for sale or auction one week after being abandoned

Looks like public land and the need for scanners is going away! Thoughts?

Or there could be a delay before it goes public, in order to deal with incorrect abandonments. Hard to say, as the release notes were not very specific.

"Now all land Abandoned land will go up for sale or auction one week after being abandoned" Seems pretty specific to me.

I doubt it's the end of landscanning, because property that doesn't sell on the auction block reverts to public. We'll see, though.

It would actually be interesting if LL put land up for sale rather than auction, though I have to say, other than public land at 1 L$ / m, I have yet to see that.

Has anyone else seen this? I wonder what formula they use to calculate land prices, or someone simply eyeballs comparables and says "that looks about right".

You are a very informative poster, did you know that Karsten?

Also - most folks who use landscanners are all about maximum gain for least expenditure of effort.


Even though the scanners do nothing, I would say a good portion of those who use them would be too lazy to remove them.

I would further say that there are people there who place them on land they don't own - just to have one in a sim, and see nothing wrong with this practice.

Someone with THAT little amount of respect for the residents of a sim is HIGHLY unlikely to remove them also.

So and end to land scanning DOING anything - possibly.
An end to the scanners themselves is another thing entirely.

I'm not sure I understand how you intended this, could you clarify?

And the definition of "abandoned land"?????

Is this true? Where did you read this?

I didn't read it anywhere, I was told by a Linden when I was making some inquiries about some parcels that were marked for auction. I believe it was Nova who told me, but it's been a while, so I might be misremembering. I was told that when a parcel is shown with an auction ID and bears all indication of going to the block, that it's not necessarily going to. It's more of a job queue ID than anything else, and parcels less than 512m never made it to auction, they just went public after some period of time, maybe when someone finally got around to them, who knows. Parcels >=512m usually went to auction, and if they didn't sell were released to public. Doesn't include new simulators, of course.

Parcels not selling on auction seems to be a rare occurance though. Someone with more patience than I could probably watch the auctions for a while and make note of what happens to all the parcels. If some Lindens want to weigh in on this, that'd be keen too.

Edit: As ReserveBank said, I wonder what defines 'abandoned' land. It seems strange to me that when you hit the Abandon button that land would suddenly be owned by the governor unless they're trying to do away with public land altogether. It's possible 'abandoned' merely means dead accounts or land that wasn't sufficiently supported by tier. Anyone know what happens to unsupported land now?

I've seen non-bidded parcels roll off the auction block and remain Governor owned until they reappear on the block, usually at someone's prompting as they have, as you said, been queueing auctions manually all this time.

Truly abandoned land is owned by Public and available for anyone to purchase for 1L/sm. That's only happened to abandoned land less than 512sm for the last several point releases. Those smaller lots will apparently now be automatically added to the Governor's holdings and listed for auction.

If the Governor has been releasing land to Public lately, that's news to me. It seems, on the other hand, that the Governor has been accumulating a growing percentage of the total mainland mass over the past year. The fact that the amount of Linden-owned land is not regularly published serves as a small indication that the project isn't profitable and a larger indication that the inworld economy is propped up on a defective heatsink in the corner of the office.

I have every faith that no matter what the release notes say or what the stated intentions are, the behavior of the system will be something else.

It's nice to be able to count on some things.

Enh, I dunno. I've seen public land on the order of 8K parcels as recently as a couple weeks. The land has to come from somewhere. Why would people just abandon $200 in land?

Edit: There also doesn't seem to be any good reason for the Gov to be hording land. From the reactions I've gotten regarding inquiries about Gov-owned land parcels in the past, it seems like they just don't have the staff to handle the land very well, as with a lot of other things. Gov-owned land is land nobody is paying tier on. As often as I read 'PLEASE AUCTION THIS PARCEL SO I CAN BUY IT DAMNIT' on the forums, it seems like the market is there and it'd be in their best interest to turn those plots over as soon as possible. Hell, there's a 512m adjacent to my main store I would probably pick up that's been Gov-owned for months now.

It addition to not having the staff, it seems like the people who are working the land are doing it offhandedly anyway. When I was asking why a parcel marked with an auction ID wasn't on the auction, the response I got from one Linden who was supposed in charge of that sort of thing was to 'relist' it 3 or 4 times and it still never showed up, then suddenly was public a couple days later, so they passed it off to the programmers as a bug. The programmers then came back and said 'Enh, it was under 512m, those never go to auction.' So, apparently the people who are dealing with the land don't even know how it's supposed to work.

Music to my ears....

A Propped up economy with weekly welfare is 100% Socialism.
And it will crash and burn unless Capitalism is embraced...

Sorry bub, no premiums on welfare.