Second Life Forums Archive - Using "Friend" functionality for BBB / Reputation control, even ALTs

blaze Spinnaker

1/2 Serious

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

06-12-2005 16:22

LL should use the 'friend' functionality they have devised as a way of determining reputation.

By using friends and friends of friends, a trust network can be devised and we can quickly use it to figure out whether or not products or merchants we buy from are trusted by people in our network.

I find if a friend (or a friend of a friend) trusts someone, I will generally trust them as well.

Similarly if a friend (or a friend of a friend) doesn't trust someone, I will generally ping that person (I can because we know each other, sometimes a bit indirectly) and ask them why they don't trust someone.

SL already has "Friend" functionality built in and I think this could go along ways to settle problems such as marketing, BBB / Reputation control, and even concerns regarding ALTs.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Prokofy Neva

Virtualtor

Join date: 28 Sep 2004

Posts: 3,698

06-12-2005 18:37

I think you just put up fascistic ideas like that blaze to see if anyone will be provoked into fighting you over them.

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blaze Spinnaker

1/2 Serious

Join date: 12 Aug 2004

Posts: 5,898

06-12-2005 19:36

Now, what does fascism mean:

+ exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual

This is neither a nationalistic nor racial specific concept.

+ uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition

Violence? Propaganda? Censorhip? No, it's one friend telling another friend his opinions about something.

+ engages in severe economic and social regimentation

This would be entirely optional... You don't have to have friends or listen to them!

+ engages in corporatism

Well, now, no. A corporate is a larger business entity which often has a brand. A word of mouth trust network would allow smaller independent individuals succeed based soley on the merit of their products rather than expensive ad / branding campaigns.

+ engages in totalitarianism

Well, LL is already engages in this, however letting people build up their own trust networks is empowering and not depowering (is that a word

.

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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."

Lianne Marten

Cheese Baron

Join date: 6 May 2004

Posts: 2,192

06-12-2005 20:16

Just don't go to the friend of a friend of a friend level though... those people are freaky mutants.

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Prokofy Neva

Virtualtor

Join date: 28 Sep 2004

Posts: 3,698

06-13-2005 06:14

Here's part of it, blaze:

From: someone

+ engages in corporatism

Well, now, no. A corporate is a larger business entity which often has a brand. A word of mouth trust network would allow smaller independent individuals succeed based soley on the merit of their products rather than expensive ad / branding campaigns.

blaze, you're making the common mistake that corporatism means "corporations" as in "Pepsi Cola" or "Xerox" but the term merely describes a social system based on the Latin word for "body" or "corpus", corporations in the sense of bodies or guilds or interest groups of people.

Here's Wikipedia on the subject (I hate it when people wheel out the often highly flawed Wikipedia but I'm thinking as a tekkie, you approve of Wikipedia and therefore may accept it as a source)

From: someone

Historically, corporatism or corporativism (Italian corporativismo) is a political system in which legislative power is given to corporations that represent economic, industrial and professional groups. Unlike pluralism, in which many groups must compete for control of the state, in corporatism, certain unelected bodies take a critical role in the decision-making process. This original meaning was not connected with the specific notion of a business corporation, being a rather more general reference to any incorporated body. The word "corporatism" is derived from the Latin word for body, corpus.

Ostensibly, the entire society is to be run by decisions made by these corporate groups. It is a form of class collaboration put forward as an alternative to class conflict and was first proposed in Pope Leo XIII's 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum, which influenced Catholic trade unions which were organised in the early twentieth century to counter the influence of trade unions founded on a socialist ideology. Theoretical underpinning came from the medieval traditions of guilds and craft-based economics.

From: someone

Under Fascism in Italy, business owners, employees, trades-people, professionals, and other economic classes were organized into 22 guilds, or associations, known as "corporations" according to their industries, and these groups were given representation in a legislative body known as the Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni.

The more I read on this subject these days, the more I see that it perfectly describes the stage at which SL is currently located.

Also relevant is this:

From: someone

+ engages in severe economic and social regimentation

This would be entirely optional... You don't have to have friends or listen to them!

Um, what will happen is that you will have to have only the RIGHT friends to get ahead. That's a feature of any society. But in a closed, corporatist economic structure where a few "families" or "networks" or "guilds" run everything and keep out others with a mixture of thuggery such as in-game pressure tactics, working forums censorship and AR in their favor, and sucking up to the powers-that-be, it will be far worse than the usual brand. Indeed, it already is this way and your proposal to deepen this just throws us back to eras that people already foughts wars in, struggled against, and prevailed.

Now you just want to traverse the same stages in cyberspace.

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Using "Friend" functionality for BBB / Reputation control, even ALTs
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	06-12-2005 16:22 LL should use the 'friend' functionality they have devised as a way of determining reputation. By using friends and friends of friends, a trust network can be devised and we can quickly use it to figure out whether or not products or merchants we buy from are trusted by people in our network. I find if a friend (or a friend of a friend) trusts someone, I will generally trust them as well. Similarly if a friend (or a friend of a friend) doesn't trust someone, I will generally ping that person (I can because we know each other, sometimes a bit indirectly) and ask them why they don't trust someone. SL already has "Friend" functionality built in and I think this could go along ways to settle problems such as marketing, BBB / Reputation control, and even concerns regarding ALTs. _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Prokofy Neva Virtualtor Join date: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 3,698	06-12-2005 18:37 I think you just put up fascistic ideas like that blaze to see if anyone will be provoked into fighting you over them. _____________________ Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.
blaze Spinnaker 1/2 Serious Join date: 12 Aug 2004 Posts: 5,898	06-12-2005 19:36 Now, what does fascism mean: + exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual This is neither a nationalistic nor racial specific concept. + uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition Violence? Propaganda? Censorhip? No, it's one friend telling another friend his opinions about something. + engages in severe economic and social regimentation This would be entirely optional... You don't have to have friends or listen to them! + engages in corporatism Well, now, no. A corporate is a larger business entity which often has a brand. A word of mouth trust network would allow smaller independent individuals succeed based soley on the merit of their products rather than expensive ad / branding campaigns. + engages in totalitarianism Well, LL is already engages in this, however letting people build up their own trust networks is empowering and not depowering (is that a word . _____________________ Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : "User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Lianne Marten Cheese Baron Join date: 6 May 2004 Posts: 2,192	06-12-2005 20:16 Just don't go to the friend of a friend of a friend level though... those people are freaky mutants. _____________________
Prokofy Neva Virtualtor Join date: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 3,698	06-13-2005 06:14 Here's part of it, blaze: From: someone + engages in corporatism Well, now, no. A corporate is a larger business entity which often has a brand. A word of mouth trust network would allow smaller independent individuals succeed based soley on the merit of their products rather than expensive ad / branding campaigns. blaze, you're making the common mistake that corporatism means "corporations" as in "Pepsi Cola" or "Xerox" but the term merely describes a social system based on the Latin word for "body" or "corpus", corporations in the sense of bodies or guilds or interest groups of people. Here's Wikipedia on the subject (I hate it when people wheel out the often highly flawed Wikipedia but I'm thinking as a tekkie, you approve of Wikipedia and therefore may accept it as a source) From: someone Historically, corporatism or corporativism (Italian corporativismo) is a political system in which legislative power is given to corporations that represent economic, industrial and professional groups. Unlike pluralism, in which many groups must compete for control of the state, in corporatism, certain unelected bodies take a critical role in the decision-making process. This original meaning was not connected with the specific notion of a business corporation, being a rather more general reference to any incorporated body. The word "corporatism" is derived from the Latin word for body, corpus. Ostensibly, the entire society is to be run by decisions made by these corporate groups. It is a form of class collaboration put forward as an alternative to class conflict and was first proposed in Pope Leo XIII's 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum, which influenced Catholic trade unions which were organised in the early twentieth century to counter the influence of trade unions founded on a socialist ideology. Theoretical underpinning came from the medieval traditions of guilds and craft-based economics. From: someone Under Fascism in Italy, business owners, employees, trades-people, professionals, and other economic classes were organized into 22 guilds, or associations, known as "corporations" according to their industries, and these groups were given representation in a legislative body known as the Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni. The more I read on this subject these days, the more I see that it perfectly describes the stage at which SL is currently located. Also relevant is this: From: someone + engages in severe economic and social regimentation This would be entirely optional... You don't have to have friends or listen to them! Um, what will happen is that you will have to have only the RIGHT friends to get ahead. That's a feature of any society. But in a closed, corporatist economic structure where a few "families" or "networks" or "guilds" run everything and keep out others with a mixture of thuggery such as in-game pressure tactics, working forums censorship and AR in their favor, and sucking up to the powers-that-be, it will be far worse than the usual brand. Indeed, it already is this way and your proposal to deepen this just throws us back to eras that people already foughts wars in, struggled against, and prevailed. Now you just want to traverse the same stages in cyberspace. _____________________ Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.

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