Why do people surround completely empty lots with little red lines that say "no entry" In a game where you can lock everything - what can you possibly be afraid of? What could possibly happen if someone could walk onto your land. No one can steal anything unless you let them. with no copy/ no transfer / no modify - right? So why is it important to keep land private? I am just not getting this.
Could someone explain this practice to me, so maybe I won't grind my teeth everytime i accidently bouce off someones land?
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Fiona Cork
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06-21-2006 23:34
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06-21-2006 23:45
Why do people surround completely empty lots with little red lines that say "no entry" In a game where you can lock everything - what can you possibly be afraid of? What could possibly happen if someone could walk onto your land. No one can steal anything unless you let them. with no copy/ no transfer / no modify - right? So why is it important to keep land private? I am just not getting this. Could someone explain this practice to me, so maybe I won't grind my teeth everytime i accidently bouce off someones land? Because even in a game some people like at least the illusion of privacy? _____________________
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Tsukasa Karuna
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06-22-2006 01:02
Because the greifing situation has become bad enough that the new players are paranoid after being orbited from orientation island?
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Jillian Callahan
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06-22-2006 01:32
and a goodly portion just don't know that happens. Talk kindly and politely to your ban-line surrounded neighbors and you'll often find that they'd just been toying with the tools, or were misinformed as to thier function.
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Richard Meiklejohn
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06-22-2006 02:38
What's really dumb is people who put their land up for sale but leave the access restriction. So you can't actually go check the view from the parcel. I've seen it three times just yesterday! And of course with the height raised to 200m flying around to look for land means constantly bumping to a stop
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Selador Cellardoor
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06-22-2006 02:40
Because people come to a place which is outside the real world, a world which has no boundaries, no restrictions to your imagination, in which you are free to create, to explore, to fly, to socialise. And all they can think about is making money and putting up fences to keep other people out.
It seems to me that more and more Second Life is taking on all the undesirable qualities of the real world. _____________________
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Hiro Queso
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06-22-2006 07:31
Because people come to a place which is outside the real world, a world which has no boundaries, no restrictions to your imagination, in which you are free to create, to explore, to fly, to socialise. And all they can think about is making money and putting up fences to keep other people out. It seems to me that more and more Second Life is taking on all the undesirable qualities of the real world. But you also have to appreciate that for some, SL is pretty much their RL, and just like RL, they want privacy. That being said, I am not a fan of the ban lines (though it's the lesser of evils compared to some of the security scripts/devices), and the 200m limit is just plain ridiculous. It doesn't address any privacy or griefing problems, but instead creates mobility problems _____________________
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Haravikk Mistral
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06-22-2006 08:09
It's to stop people listening in to your conversations, just like in RL or in instant messages I'd like to know that my conversations aren't being listened to by everyone that happens to pass by unless I'm in one of the public areas. I know SL has IM functionality too, but it shouldn't really be needed, especially if you want to have a conversation with a group of people without having to do that thing with calling cards all the time.
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Hiro Queso
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06-22-2006 08:15
It's to stop people listening in to your conversations, just like in RL or in instant messages I'd like to know that my conversations aren't being listened to by everyone that happens to pass by unless I'm in one of the public areas. I know SL has IM functionality too, but it shouldn't really be needed, especially if you want to have a conversation with a group of people without having to do that thing with calling cards all the time. But extending banlines up to 200m is not a solution. For a start, unless ytou have a large plot, someone can stand right next to your plot at ground level and listen. A solution, for example, would be an option to restrict chat range to the parcel only. _____________________
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Haravikk Mistral
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06-22-2006 08:18
Oh I don't agree with that, but the person was asking why people want privacy features
 I'm more for a better solution that lets you restrict chat on a parcel or area basis. In favour of per-area as a parcel-wide setting means that people who fly onto your parcel can still eavesdrop. _____________________
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Hiro Queso
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06-22-2006 08:25
Oh I don't agree with that, but the person was asking why people want privacy features I'm more for a better solution that lets you restrict chat on a parcel or area basis. In favour of per-area as a parcel-wide setting means that people who fly onto your parcel can still eavesdrop. *nods* I'm sure there are many ways privacy can be addressed, I just can't see how raising banlines to 200m addresses that problem. _____________________
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Siobhan Taylor
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06-22-2006 08:26
What's really dumb is people who put their land up for sale but leave the access restriction. So you can't actually go check the view from the parcel. I've seen it three times just yesterday! And of course with the height raised to 200m flying around to look for land means constantly bumping to a stop Of course, it'd be fun watching the land-swoopers crash into the ban-lines ... _____________________
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Hiro Queso
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06-22-2006 08:32
Of course, it'd be fun watching the land-swoopers crash into the ban-lines ... LOL that reminds me of a post made a while ago I forget who). Someone cut a 16m2 plot in the middle of a huge plot and set it to sell for 0L. The larger surrounding plot was set to 'no acceess'. I think it was called landbaron-pong or something  _____________________
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Haravikk Mistral
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06-22-2006 08:35
I'm sure there are many ways privacy can be addressed, I just can't see how raising banlines to 200m addresses that problem. Yeah, my post is badly phrased actually I realise. Didn't mean I disagree with you, meant I disagree with the 200m ban-lines being added. I can't fly in any direction away from my home without hitting them after a few seconds of traveling, the sim I'm in is fairly okay, but surrounding ones are a nightmare now, and there's rarely anyone even on the offending parcels (In fact I've NEVER seen anyone on the ones I bump into the most often). _____________________
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Fiona Cork
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06-22-2006 09:04
It's to stop people listening in to your conversations, just like in RL or in instant messages I'd like to know that my conversations aren't being listened to by everyone that happens to pass by unless I'm in one of the public areas. I know SL has IM functionality too, but it shouldn't really be needed, especially if you want to have a conversation with a group of people without having to do that thing with calling cards all the time. I hadn't thought of that. I could understand that - that makes me feel a little better. So if someone owns a 512 piece of land and if I am standing next door on my piece of land and the put the ban lines up I won't be able to hear them? |
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Barbarra Blair
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06-22-2006 09:14
Yes you will hear them. And you can watch them with your camera, but that is against the TOS. Of course, I don't know how they would know if someone were watching them with a camera.Ban lines are just annoying and have no good reason for existing.
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Teddy Wishbringer
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06-22-2006 11:26
Yes you will hear them. And you can watch them with your camera, but that is against the TOS. Just out of curiousity, which section of the TOS does that violate? While I agree I shouldn't have to buy a huge chunk of land to put a little house in the middle and ban lines around so people can't camera in my house, but I don't recall seeing anything in the TOS that addresses that. The only thing I saw was a blurb about 'recording conversations'. |
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Banking Laws
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06-22-2006 13:36
Yes you will hear them. And you can watch them with your camera, but that is against the TOS. Of course, I don't know how they would know if someone were watching them with a camera.Ban lines are just annoying and have no good reason for existing. Ban lines have many good reasons for existing. Privacy, security, and a feeling of more safety. A good example would be a discussion group for recovering stalking victims. _____________________
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Merlyn Bailly
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06-22-2006 15:37
Why do people surround completely empty lots with little red lines that say "no entry" In a game where you can lock everything - what can you possibly be afraid of? What could possibly happen if someone could walk onto your land. No one can steal anything unless you let them. with no copy/ no transfer / no modify - right? So why is it important to keep land private? I am just not getting this. Could someone explain this practice to me, so maybe I won't grind my teeth everytime i accidently bouce off someones land? /108/11/113337/1.html _____________________
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Doc Nielsen
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06-22-2006 15:46
Red lines? I just got trapped in Miller between two properties with access lines and a third with PASS lines - yes, pass lines go to 400m now...
 How did I get in that predicament? Someone unknown hit me with sometthing in Honawan, and I landed in a trap constructed of 'anti-griefer' measures! *shakes head in disbelief* _____________________
All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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Ryder Spearmann
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06-27-2006 12:37
The reason SO many "red lines" are up is because that land owners simply don't know it.
*I* had to ask live help to learn how to do it, so I could explain to all my neighbors how to turn them off. Every last person that I have IM'd about the ban lines had *no idea* that they were on. Think people. The ban lines can not be seen by the owners... and there is NOTHING that tells them (in the interface) that they are on. Many of the ban lines are turned on by newbies... they add their friends to the allow list, and have NOT THE SLIGHTEST CLUE that they are erecting 200m walls of glass. It's that simple. It's not thought. It's not privacy. It's not griefers. It's largly ignorance... and a sucky and heavy handed feature that LL was insane to implement. |
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LupineFox Paz
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06-27-2006 14:00
The roads don't work for driving because of the clunky interface. now you can't use a vehicle to fly either because of the stupid ban lines!
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Wanda Rich
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06-28-2006 11:23
The reason SO many "red lines" are up is because that land owners simply don't know it. *I* had to ask live help to learn how to do it, so I could explain to all my neighbors how to turn them off. Every last person that I have IM'd about the ban lines had *no idea* that they were on. Think people. The ban lines can not be seen by the owners... and there is NOTHING that tells them (in the interface) that they are on. Many of the ban lines are turned on by newbies... they add their friends to the allow list, and have NOT THE SLIGHTEST CLUE that they are erecting 200m walls of glass. It's that simple. It's not thought. It's not privacy. It's not griefers. It's largly ignorance... and a sucky and heavy handed feature that LL was insane to implement. I had no idea that was a feature. I thought it was a freebie script some moron had made  My respect for the lindens just dropped a long way. Do Lindens even realise the text bleeds through neighbours walls? |