Double Prim Sims
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Please check all the answers that you support
Attach new double prim sims (DPS) to Nova Albion
11 (9.6%)
Locate the new DPS in a newer area of the Grid
23 (20.2%)
Match the new DPS infrastructure to Nova Albion's
4 (3.5%)
Build new urban style infrastructure in the new DPS
15 (13.2%)
Build new suburban style infrastructure in the new DPS
15 (13.2%)
Require normal tier allocation for the DPS lots
25 (21.9%)
Require double tier allocation for the DPS lots
7 (6.1%)
Do not add any double prim sims to the Grid
8 (7.0%)
I couldn't care less about this idea
6 (5.3%)
Total votes: 114
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Khamon Fate
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04-21-2005 12:53
Here's a simple poll asking if you support the idea of Linden Lab adding a few more sims to the Grid complete with Linden infrastructure and half the land auctioned with double prim allotments. There are three topics that let you approve or disapprove the idea, indicate how the infrastructure should be represented, and specify whether or not the land should require double tierage. These are just a few concerns. If you have other concerns or comments, you may post them here or pick up the discussion in this thread.
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Traxx Hathor
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04-21-2005 13:26
Thanks for the poll, Khamon. I didn't vote for urban or suburban infrastructure, because I'd like the option of having minimal infrastructure. Mostly forest with perhaps one of those cobblestone roads we see in Atol continent. Let the players add bridges and walkways if people are minded to do so.
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Arcadia Codesmith
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04-21-2005 13:27
I support the idea, but it seems to be garnering somewhat less attention than threads on gross things to eat and who's got the biggest ego.
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Prokofy Neva
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04-21-2005 14:23
I checked off both "double tier" and "normal tier" because I'd like LL to take player requests like this and offer them in a variety of styles and positions on the auction, urban/suburban/double/single etc. and let the market pick and chose what it values.
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Mirra Hathor
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04-22-2005 04:00
Hell- why not convert the sim I'm in to double prims? It has plenty of existing Linden land in it and we promise to not go nuts with our particles, and we'll take out the trash, and make good grades, and eat all our vegetables, and remember to wipe our feet, and... and... AND.... honest and for true! Maybe someone could spot LL another $8 mil for those new double-processor servers grid-wide....could we all have double prims then? Pleeeeessssse????? Wah! we all want double prims!!!! ========= Seriously, though- I hope the Lindens are better about announcing the when's & where's of any double prim new areas than they were about the telehubs in the new continent, for example.
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Khamon Fate
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04-22-2005 05:38
Actually Mirra, before and after the release of v1.2, the official statement was that prim counts associated with Linden-owned land in every sim would be distributed evenly among the other lots. They opted to raise the overall limits from 10K to 15K instead.
I've thought that too Prok. It might be less expensive for them to conduct some inworld polling of what people want rather than actually put the sims online. But we've touted inworld polling for over a year and always gotten back the patent great idea looking into that for future considerations routine.
Yes Arcadia, there seems to be little enough interest that LL will likely not pay any further attention to it. I suppose someone could post in the general forum and direct people here. Would it seem presumptuous for me to do it?
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Arcadia Codesmith
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04-22-2005 05:39
From: Prokofy Neva I checked off both "double tier" and "normal tier" because I'd like LL to take player requests like this and offer them in a variety of styles and positions on the auction, urban/suburban/double/single etc. and let the market pick and chose what it values. Agreed. There must be a cold snap in the infernal regions.
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Chris Wilde
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04-22-2005 07:05
Any of the current auctions include double prim sims? I see 16000m going for $1000 USD with 11 hours left in the auction. You could buy a sim for that. And how do you know a sim is double prim other than looking at About Land?
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Khamon Fate
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04-23-2005 22:14
oh sorry for the delayed reply chris. no there are no auctions for double prim lots at the moment. the only sims we have that afford prim multipliers are the four nova albion sims (grignano, miramare, sistiana and that other one) and luna.
per philip's comment in a recent town hall meeting, i've posted a thread to help ll guage interest in setting up some sims with double prim lots. there appears to be very little interest.
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Brace Coral
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04-24-2005 04:56
From: Khamon Fate oh sorry for the delayed reply chris. no there are no auctions for double prim lots at the moment. the only sims we have that afford prim multipliers are the four nova albion sims (grignano, miramare, sistiana and that other one) and luna.
per philip's comment in a recent town hall meeting, i've posted a thread to help ll guage interest in setting up some sims with double prim lots. there appears to be very little interest. Mostly Philip was concerned about missing his dinner from what I could tell from that town meeting. You might wanna bring this question up to him again when he's more focused on the company he's supposedly running. Good luck
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Nathan Stewart
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04-24-2005 05:45
I would love to own Moritz, they have that setup with a 13x prim ratio
As from the about tab at 128,128
Simulatior Object Bonus Factor: 13 Simulator object usage: 311 out of 195000 (194689 availab
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Lindar Lehane
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04-26-2005 18:04
This thread doesn't make much sense to me. Surely no-one is so naive as to imagine that LL can respond positively to the suggestion that they should create sims that give them only half their normal tier income ?
If you want double prim land even though you pay the same tier per prim (ie double tier per m) - why?
Why would you want to give the Lindens half the land you were paying for? The only reason I can see is as a sort of zoning, to make all your neighbours give up half theirs too, thus forcing them to leave these zones free of clutter.
If the Lindens would fill it up with lovely infrastructure, well maybe, but can they spare the time? And wouldn't the infrastructure use up many of the very prims you want to get your mitts on?
IF people really wanted this half-as-much-land-for-your-money alternative, with a bit of nice infrastructure or greenbelt, surely Anshe would be offering it (perhaps she is).
Or one of the new experimental communities would be trying it out, building the communal infrastructure themselves (perhaps they are).
Isn't that in fact exactly what some of these experiments are about?
This attempt to involve the Lindens is either unnecessary (we can do it ourselves) or naive (hoping they'll volunteer to halve their income).
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Lindar Lehane
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04-26-2005 18:16
From: Mirra Hathor Maybe someone could spot LL another $8 mil for those new double-processor servers grid-wide....could we all have double prims then? Pleeeeessssse?????
I think the double power is spoke for, Mirra. Didn't I read that they are now putting two sims on each server ? Curses !
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Ardith Mifflin
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04-27-2005 06:22
From: Lindar Lehane This thread doesn't make much sense to me. Surely no-one is so naive as to imagine that LL can respond positively to the suggestion that they should create sims that give them only half their normal tier income ?
If you want double prim land even though you pay the same tier per prim (ie double tier per m) - why?
Why would you want to give the Lindens half the land you were paying for? The only reason I can see is as a sort of zoning, to make all your neighbours give up half theirs too, thus forcing them to leave these zones free of clutter.
If the Lindens would fill it up with lovely infrastructure, well maybe, but can they spare the time? And wouldn't the infrastructure use up many of the very prims you want to get your mitts on?
IF people really wanted this half-as-much-land-for-your-money alternative, with a bit of nice infrastructure or greenbelt, surely Anshe would be offering it (perhaps she is).
Or one of the new experimental communities would be trying it out, building the communal infrastructure themselves (perhaps they are).
Isn't that in fact exactly what some of these experiments are about?
This attempt to involve the Lindens is either unnecessary (we can do it ourselves) or naive (hoping they'll volunteer to halve their income). The idea is that the number of available prims would double. As far as I know, sim owners can't change the prim bonus for a sim without Linden intervention, though I've never been wealthy enough to actually own a sim so I may be wrong. For urban developments, it becomes far more important to have a lot of prims available and not so important to have a lot of land, as the prim density is much higher. I don't know if I like the idea of paying twice as much for this land, especially when we consider that sims like Grignano and the other old city sims don't require double tier, but if the choice is between no more city sims or paying double tier for a city sim then I think I'd rather pay double tier.
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Ardith Mifflin
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04-27-2005 06:24
From: Nathan Stewart I would love to own Moritz, they have that setup with a 13x prim ratio
As from the about tab at 128,128
Simulatior Object Bonus Factor: 13 Simulator object usage: 311 out of 195000 (194689 availab Is that an error, or what? Why would guv Linden make the whole sim have 13x prims?
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Lindar Lehane
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04-27-2005 13:38
From: Ardith Mifflin The idea is that the number of available prims would double. As far as I know, sim owners can't change the prim bonus for a sim without Linden intervention, though I've never been wealthy enough to actually own a sim so I may be wrong.
For urban developments, it becomes far more important to have a lot of prims available and not so important to have a lot of land, as the prim density is much higher. I don't know if I like the idea of paying twice as much for this land, especially when we consider that sims like Grignano and the other old city sims don't require double tier, but if the choice is between no more city sims or paying double tier for a city sim then I think I'd rather pay double tier. Hmmm.... I don't quite get this, either. Are you saying that the Lindens can increase the number of prims available in a sim at whim ? Nothing to do with available processing power ? That they restrict us out of malicious glee, when all it takes is a click ? I'm sorry, that just doesn't sound right. Prims take processing, processing is limited and costs LL money. So prims cost us money. Unless LL turns all philanthropic, or wants to conduct an experiment, you're stuck. If you want twice as many prims, you either do it the normal way (pay tier on twice the land, and leave half empty if you like). Or else you pay twice as much tier per m in some funny sim where LL retain the other half of the land you're paying for but curiously have declined to own. Gotta pay one way or another. Its TIER I'm talking about here. Purchase cost is another matter, and after first release of the land is irrelevant to LL. Tier is their life.
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Ardith Mifflin
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04-28-2005 18:12
From: Lindar Lehane Hmmm....
I don't quite get this, either. Are you saying that the Lindens can increase the number of prims available in a sim at whim ? Nothing to do with available processing power ? That they restrict us out of malicious glee, when all it takes is a click ?
I'm sorry, that just doesn't sound right. You should be more careful. You are quite wrong. They can and often do change the prim bonus in sims. The problem, as you seem to realize, is that doing so degrades performance. It doesn't mean that the sims will self-destruct if they increase the prim capacity by even one. It just means that the quality of the user experience would be lessened. The Lindens have chosen a prim limit for most sims based upon what they perceive to be the optimal number.
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