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Argent Stonecutter

Emergency Mustelid

Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 20,263

02-04-2006 11:41

http://realestate.escapeartist.com/P-2000710

Man, tier is *low* in the real world.

Dark Korvin

Player in the RL game

Join date: 13 Jun 2005

Posts: 769

02-04-2006 12:16

I like the part how they mention very quickly that the island already has several residents seeking an idealogical life. Why don't these residents have ownership of the land? What are you supposed to do, just kick them off in the middle of the Pacific? Something seems a bit fishy here. You are right though, seems like a good deal.

After living in Hawaii for two years, I myself would never ever want to live on an island in the Pacific. Ecspecially an island here on the map.

Where is this mainland that is supposed to be 10 miles away?

Zapoteth Zaius

Is back

Join date: 14 Feb 2004

Posts: 5,634

02-04-2006 12:34

Mine! Hands off! I saw it first! My deposits already in the post!

And yes you can kick people off into the pacific, with the cunning use of flags!

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Dark Korvin

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Join date: 13 Jun 2005

Posts: 769

02-04-2006 14:24

But what if it is a place with million of people who ... <brief shudder> ... don't have a flag. Wouldn't you need something, like maybe a gun? Of course, its hard to take a man serious when he is wearing high heels and a dress as well.

Argent Stonecutter

Emergency Mustelid

Join date: 20 Sep 2005

Posts: 20,263

02-04-2006 15:09

From: Dark Korvin

I like the part how they mention very quickly that the island already has several residents seeking an idealogical life.

I think that's referring to Hunga Attol. This is a little chunk of land in the middle of a bigger (but still small) chunk of land.

From: someone

Where is this mainland that is supposed to be 10 miles away?

I suspect that's a slightly bigger (but still small) chunk of land called Tonga.

Jonas Pierterson

Dark Harlequin

Join date: 27 Dec 2005

Posts: 3,660

02-04-2006 15:14

Maybe you get the impeach bush guy to put signs up to chase the inhabitants off

Zapoteth Zaius

Is back

Join date: 14 Feb 2004

Posts: 5,634

02-04-2006 16:10

From: Jonas Pierterson

Maybe you get the impeach bush guy to put signs up to chase the inhabitants off

I like this idea..

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Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

02-04-2006 16:14

Life is very different on the islands. I'm guessing Tonga is a bit more formal than most; I've never been there.

Yet the people who *least* likely believe they could 'stand' island life are the first to dance and sing around a beach fire with new friends, clothes absent. Within days of arrival.

Depends on local culture. On some islands the only inhibition to be found is the mosquito population. Maybe not in Tonga though.

Tonga is a monarchy with strong cultural traditions; I doubt you would own the land outright and be able to do just anything with it.

But even so, it's worthwhile talking to someone who has experienced islander life before making any presumption. If I had the time to visit that island and the money, I'd consider buying in Tonga very seriously.

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Juro Kothari

Like a dog on a bone

Join date: 4 Sep 2003

Posts: 4,418

02-04-2006 16:51

You're not buying the whole island, just 3 acres out of 800. I'd love to have it if I owned the entire island.

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Arthax Bachman

Registered User

Join date: 26 Aug 2005

Posts: 78

02-04-2006 20:39

Reading this just reminded me of something. Anyone hear of the Republic of Minerva? I wonder how that would've turned out had the Tongan government left it alone. Its proposed Constitution can also be found online somewhere: http://www.imperial-collection.net/minerva.html

Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

02-04-2006 21:16

From: Arthax Bachman

Reading this I was just reminded of something. Anyone hear of the Minerva Project? I wonder how that would've turned out had the Tongan govt. left it alone. Its proposed Constitution can also be found online somewhere: http://www.imperial-collection.net/minerva.html

I can't think of a more fitting fate for such a project other than immediate destruction.

Building on top of such precious and rare shallow reefs is a crime against all of earth's inhabitants.

It only takes one look at such reefs to understand why.

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Jonas Pierterson

Dark Harlequin

Join date: 27 Dec 2005

Posts: 3,660

02-05-2006 06:19

I agree with Dsmond on this..and I'm not even a a 'treehugger'

Dark Korvin

Player in the RL game

Join date: 13 Jun 2005

Posts: 769

02-05-2006 06:45

Bah, Minerva used gold in their coin too. Gold is an amazingly useful metal for all kinds of scientific and engineering tasks, yet gold is rare. There is only 4000 cubic miles of gold ever mined in history. There's enough that I don't mind that many people will plate jewelry with gold or even make solid gold jewelry, but the thing I don't understand is the urge to waste it in coins or in reserves. What good is gold sitting in a fort protected from the world that wants to use it for all the many things it can be used for. What good is it in a coin where it will sit in someone's pocket or jar. I say the governments of the world should sell every ounce of gold they owns and get the gold into the hands of people that will actually use the stuff. We know now that paper can work as money, if the people put faith in the government and economy that prints it. I have a good cause to go with save the trees. Save the gold!

Surreal Farber

Cat Herder

Join date: 5 Feb 2004

Posts: 2,059

02-05-2006 07:08

Do they have broadband? I mean tropical beaches and nekkie dancing is all very good.. but I have to stick with the essentials.

Actually, when Ferran and I moved to Belize we carefully checked out the Internet connectivity first, then the 90+ brands of rum.

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Memir Quinn

Registered User

Join date: 7 May 2005

Posts: 306

02-05-2006 08:28

From: Surreal Farber

Actually, when Ferran and I moved to Belize we carefully checked out the Internet connectivity first, then the 90+ brands of rum.

So you actually found a service provider then? S'great!

Jillian an I have been talking about moving to Belize forever (Punta Gorda, region). Hey? Save us a spot on the beach we'll bring a few more bottles of Ron del Barrilito, finest rum in Puerto Rico!

Arthax Bachman

Registered User

Join date: 26 Aug 2005

Posts: 78

02-05-2006 12:07

From: Desmond Shang

I can't think of a more fitting fate for such a project other than immediate destruction.

Building on top of such precious and rare shallow reefs is a crime against all of earth's inhabitants.

It only takes one look at such reefs to understand why.

People are more important than a reef, and there's no small number of them in that region of the world. A nation like this nearby would've been a boon to the economies of Tonga and Fiji, and besides, these reefs were outside of Tonga's territorial waters. They had no right to just go there and take it. This site will give you a few more details: http://www.oysters.builderspot.com/page/page/1211277.htm

You might also try typing "Republic of Minerva" (including the 2 quotes) into Google...

Alan Kiesler

Retired Resident

Join date: 29 Jun 2004

Posts: 354

02-05-2006 14:45

Evening,

<mod>

As interesting as all this is (and *has* been enlightening, thank y'all!), it's not really relevant to SL. Not talking about virtual land in SL (as per the sticky thread), but Real Land; In particular the last half-dozen or so...

If y'all can switch gears to how this relates to SL land, I'll be willing to leave it here. Otherwise it will move to off-topic.

</mod>

Much Appreciated,

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Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	02-04-2006 11:41 http://realestate.escapeartist.com/P-2000710 Man, tier is low in the real world.
Dark Korvin Player in the RL game Join date: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 769	02-04-2006 12:16 I like the part how they mention very quickly that the island already has several residents seeking an idealogical life. Why don't these residents have ownership of the land? What are you supposed to do, just kick them off in the middle of the Pacific? Something seems a bit fishy here. You are right though, seems like a good deal. After living in Hawaii for two years, I myself would never ever want to live on an island in the Pacific. Ecspecially an island here on the map. Where is this mainland that is supposed to be 10 miles away?
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	02-04-2006 12:34 Mine! Hands off! I saw it first! My deposits already in the post! And yes you can kick people off into the pacific, with the cunning use of flags! _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me. --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
Dark Korvin Player in the RL game Join date: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 769	02-04-2006 14:24 But what if it is a place with million of people who ... <brief shudder> ... don't have a flag. Wouldn't you need something, like maybe a gun? Of course, its hard to take a man serious when he is wearing high heels and a dress as well.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	02-04-2006 15:09 From: Dark Korvin I like the part how they mention very quickly that the island already has several residents seeking an idealogical life. I think that's referring to Hunga Attol. This is a little chunk of land in the middle of a bigger (but still small) chunk of land. From: someone Where is this mainland that is supposed to be 10 miles away? I suspect that's a slightly bigger (but still small) chunk of land called Tonga.
Jonas Pierterson Dark Harlequin Join date: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 3,660	02-04-2006 15:14 Maybe you get the impeach bush guy to put signs up to chase the inhabitants off
Zapoteth Zaius Is back Join date: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 5,634	02-04-2006 16:10 From: Jonas Pierterson Maybe you get the impeach bush guy to put signs up to chase the inhabitants off I like this idea.. _____________________ I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say will be misquoted and used against me. --------------- Zapoteth Designs, Temotu (100,50) ---------------
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	02-04-2006 16:14 Life is very different on the islands. I'm guessing Tonga is a bit more formal than most; I've never been there. Yet the people who least likely believe they could 'stand' island life are the first to dance and sing around a beach fire with new friends, clothes absent. Within days of arrival. Depends on local culture. On some islands the only inhibition to be found is the mosquito population. Maybe not in Tonga though. Tonga is a monarchy with strong cultural traditions; I doubt you would own the land outright and be able to do just anything with it. But even so, it's worthwhile talking to someone who has experienced islander life before making any presumption. If I had the time to visit that island and the money, I'd consider buying in Tonga very seriously. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Juro Kothari Like a dog on a bone Join date: 4 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,418	02-04-2006 16:51 You're not buying the whole island, just 3 acres out of 800. I'd love to have it if I owned the entire island. _____________________
Arthax Bachman Registered User Join date: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 78	02-04-2006 20:39 Reading this just reminded me of something. Anyone hear of the Republic of Minerva? I wonder how that would've turned out had the Tongan government left it alone. Its proposed Constitution can also be found online somewhere: http://www.imperial-collection.net/minerva.html
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	02-04-2006 21:16 From: Arthax Bachman Reading this I was just reminded of something. Anyone hear of the Minerva Project? I wonder how that would've turned out had the Tongan govt. left it alone. Its proposed Constitution can also be found online somewhere: http://www.imperial-collection.net/minerva.html I can't think of a more fitting fate for such a project other than immediate destruction. Building on top of such precious and rare shallow reefs is a crime against all of earth's inhabitants. It only takes one look at such reefs to understand why. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Jonas Pierterson Dark Harlequin Join date: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 3,660	02-05-2006 06:19 I agree with Dsmond on this..and I'm not even a a 'treehugger'
Dark Korvin Player in the RL game Join date: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 769	02-05-2006 06:45 Bah, Minerva used gold in their coin too. Gold is an amazingly useful metal for all kinds of scientific and engineering tasks, yet gold is rare. There is only 4000 cubic miles of gold ever mined in history. There's enough that I don't mind that many people will plate jewelry with gold or even make solid gold jewelry, but the thing I don't understand is the urge to waste it in coins or in reserves. What good is gold sitting in a fort protected from the world that wants to use it for all the many things it can be used for. What good is it in a coin where it will sit in someone's pocket or jar. I say the governments of the world should sell every ounce of gold they owns and get the gold into the hands of people that will actually use the stuff. We know now that paper can work as money, if the people put faith in the government and economy that prints it. I have a good cause to go with save the trees. Save the gold!
Surreal Farber Cat Herder Join date: 5 Feb 2004 Posts: 2,059	02-05-2006 07:08 Do they have broadband? I mean tropical beaches and nekkie dancing is all very good.. but I have to stick with the essentials. Actually, when Ferran and I moved to Belize we carefully checked out the Internet connectivity first, then the 90+ brands of rum. _____________________ Surreal Phobos 3d Design - putting the hot in psychotic since 2004 Come see our whole line of clothing, animations and accessories in Chaos (37, 198, 43)
Memir Quinn Registered User Join date: 7 May 2005 Posts: 306	02-05-2006 08:28 From: Surreal Farber Actually, when Ferran and I moved to Belize we carefully checked out the Internet connectivity first, then the 90+ brands of rum. So you actually found a service provider then? S'great! Jillian an I have been talking about moving to Belize forever (Punta Gorda, region). Hey? Save us a spot on the beach we'll bring a few more bottles of Ron del Barrilito, finest rum in Puerto Rico!
Arthax Bachman Registered User Join date: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 78	02-05-2006 12:07 From: Desmond Shang I can't think of a more fitting fate for such a project other than immediate destruction. Building on top of such precious and rare shallow reefs is a crime against all of earth's inhabitants. It only takes one look at such reefs to understand why. People are more important than a reef, and there's no small number of them in that region of the world. A nation like this nearby would've been a boon to the economies of Tonga and Fiji, and besides, these reefs were outside of Tonga's territorial waters. They had no right to just go there and take it. This site will give you a few more details: http://www.oysters.builderspot.com/page/page/1211277.htm You might also try typing "Republic of Minerva" (including the 2 quotes) into Google...
Alan Kiesler Retired Resident Join date: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 354	02-05-2006 14:45 Evening, <mod> As interesting as all this is (and has been enlightening, thank y'all!), it's not really relevant to SL. Not talking about virtual land in SL (as per the sticky thread), but Real Land; In particular the last half-dozen or so... If y'all can switch gears to how this relates to SL land, I'll be willing to leave it here. Otherwise it will move to off-topic. </mod> Much Appreciated, _____________________ Timothy S. Kimball (RL) -- aka 'Alan Kiesler' The Kind Healer -- http://sungak.net No ending is EVER written; Communities will continue on their own.

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