Will someone buy the land next to me & sell it please?

I would love to have the 512 first land plot right even with mine. Contact me in-game if you would be willing to do this please.

heheh.

that's a new one.

ginger, register an alt and buy it. Only 10$ for an alt account, I believe

I thought you had to be premium & pay like around 80 bucks or something?

Ok I want the one next to me & in front of me!

Well there is the chance someone will move next to you and want the plot for themselves as well. First land seems to be intended to allow people to at least have a cheap 512meters2. It is just luck of the draw if you get a neighbor that wants to sell to you cheap. If you end up surrounded and still want a bigger plot, contact a land seller. Many of us would be happy to get you a new larger plot of land and buy your old plot at the same time. Actually, contact several of us land sellers, and see who will give you the best deal..

You do have to be a premium. And even when you fork over that $72, and buy the land with your new account, there are people on the forums here who will drag you over the coals for doing that, stating that you are immoral and unethical for doing it, and possibly suggesting you are a liar, too, when you tell them you didn't realize it was verboten.

When the question was put to Robin, she said that although we COULD buy First Land with our new premium accounts, that was not what they intended for us to do. They don't want us to do that.

I figure you buy the account, you get to buy the First Land. I figure you also don't have to go around hunting deserving new players to give that $500 stipend that comes with it each week to, either. Even though, since you already have one "established" account, you probably don't need that any more than you need the First Land now sitting next to you.

Therefore, I would say that what the Lindens and these other players would prefer you do is NOT fork over the extra $72 in order to have a second account and that first land next to yours.

Just say no to second accounts!!

coco

Most newbies don't seem to hold onto their land for very long, so be patient and chances are it will go up for sale anyhow.

I don't want a second account, I also am not trying to rip anybody off or screw them out of land. I just figured if anyone who was premium & was not interested in owning land but wanted to make some money could maybe help me out. I see several other people in the area who bought up first land plots who are flipping them at a higher price to make some lindens. I hoped by starting this post that anyone who wanted to do that would know they are pretty much guaranteed a buyer. That's all.


That's interesting about the land sellers... Anyone out there reading this have a good deal for me?

If you're not flipping the land, I wouldn't worry about it. Sounds like you just want to have 1024 m2 of land for yourself.

Note that you'll have to pay another 5$ / month to own 1024 m2 of land. So that's 72$ per year, plus 5$ / month.

Yup, I just want more objects on my land is all, right now I can only have 117 & that equals a house & a sofa & a fountain & a candle LOL! Also my house takes up just about every inch of space & it's not even the house I want!

Once the land is no longer first land, the price goes up quite a bit depending on the sim rating(mature is more valuable) and whether the land is on snow, green flat or hills(green flat is the most valuable). Regular prices for a 512 parcel is from $L1500 - $L4000.

Good lord. Milk it for all it's worth. Don't forget, you asked people if they thought it was ethical. I guess we were all supposed to agree with you - but wait, then why ask right?

You didn't mention a price.

I'm not "milking" anything! I'm still pissed off about it! Can't you tell the difference?

coco

About a week after I started SL, I had 3 adjacent properties that I wanted to buy, but two were not selling and the third was impossible to get while it WAS for sale.

So, what I did was sell my land, vacate the sim and find a new plot of land about the size that I wanted.

The only drawback to this was that I had to use IGE (at the time) to buy enough L to get the land. Cost less than $72 though.

I figure about the same as some of the other plots are going for that have been bought up... You know, i'm thinking I may want to relocate to a mature area though...

I wish whoever had that piece next to my shop would show up in the game! He/she seems to have abandoned it. And I'd pay a pretty penny for it, too!

coco

I don't know that the two are seperable.

Yes, I can tell you're still pissed off. Believe me, after seeing you inject it into conversation every time first land is mentioned, even in the most non-controversial of fashions, I realize you are still pissed off. I hope that's working for you. Nothing like holding on to anger over opinions you asked for, to bring you closure.

But I digress, and I for one will let the thread serve its imtended purpose.

Cause, "milking it" would imply you are getting something out of it from other people! Like sympathy.

You know, who in their right mind wouldn't still be mad over this? I do what the game says, what a person would do in ANY OTHER game, and (a) people on here call me stuff, and (b) one of them takes it to the Hotline where Robin (I think it was) backs them up, and the (c) the Metaverse Messenger asks for more clarification (I love that newspaper), and we get some more impossible to understand stuff about interface and whatnot, whereas I don't think if you did use the same credit card, it would stop you anyway.

So yeah, I'm pissed! I didn't do anything wrong! And neither did or will the hundreds of other players who have done the same thing and will do it, having zero idea - because they didn't read specific posts in specific forums - that they are terrible people for doing it!

Anyway, what's it to ya, Nolan? I GET to be pissed about stuff! And stay pissed about it! And say so!

It's not like I started 6 threads for the sole purpose. But when somebody asks if they need a premium account to buy the First Land next to them, you surely don't expect me not to chime in, do ya? What do you think I am, a saint? Or a shy, wilting violet who will go meekly back to her corner once I'm given the so-called final answer?

If you really want me to hush up about it, don't call me out when I comment on it!

If it helps any, understand that I am not particularly mad AT anyone, I am mad because of the STUPID SITUATION. Cause it really is. It defies logical understanding, just like this business about "outing alts infringes on privacy" suddenly becoming "it's perfectly fine to call people alts" defies all comprehension and common sense.

Understand, though, that my state of being mad doesn't mean I'm mad at individual PEOPLE. I get mad at events, comments, and people coming together, as we all do here, in our inevitably human and flawed ways, hampered further by the limitations of internet communication, as well as what appears to be a lack of central decision making and agreement on important matters at LL, to muddle along as best we can (which isn't very well), slashing at each other and calling names, all because the stupid SYSTEM sucks.

And until they get this particular idiotic situation to where it makes any sense at all, players are going to CONTINUE to ask about First Land and Second Accounts, and I'm damn well going to continue to warn them. And continue to be pissed off about it!

What will bring me to "closure" is when this particular trap no longer exists. Until it does, I'm going to warn people that just playing the game according to the rules will turn you into a criminal, and I'm going to give my continued opinion that this sucks.

coco

Blah blah blah.

You're mad because LL said that they would prefer that only true first time buyers use the program.

You can't stand it that the essence of that which was written by some of the PEOPLE YOU ASKED OPINIONS OF was correct.

So yeah, be mad. Hope it's working for you.

P.S. - SL is not ANY OTHER GAME. So please spare me the comparisons. A person plays a couple of online games and suddenly they know how EVERY OTHER ONLINE GAME operates.

Whatever.

Yes! Now you are getting it!


Then have them SAY so. Have them say, in the documentation, on the in-game message of the day inviting you to buy First Land, and everywhere:

"Of course, SL is not any other game. Just because you can purchase a second account in another game and expect to get what you have paid for with it, you can't do so here. Well, actually you can, but you shouldn't.

"Here, you will be able to purchase First Land with each new premium account, but don't do it. We don't want you to. We intend only those people who have never had an account to buy First Land."

Or just add four words everywhere: "But not your alt."

Don't just hide such a vital bit of info - if that's really what you want to tell your players - in specific posts in specific forums every six months or so, and let this whole huge mess where people "in the know" get to lord it over players who just were doing what comes naturally.

coco

I have to agree, Coco, that LL could state this more forcibly and clearly. But you see, they have an enforcement problem which prevents them getting aggressive and means that in practice they can do no more than politely ask.

It is technically impossible for them to identify alts with certainty. And to make assumptions would prevent perfectly reasonable usage, with several people in a family, for example, playing on one card, or from one address, or even both.

ie many innocents would have to be falsely accused.

I see the way they handle it as a fair compromise.

Though personally, I would prefer that there should always be a good supply of first land, sufficient for newbies and alts alike. The moral injunction against use by alts surely only arises because of the inadequate supply, in that newbies may be deprived.

With an adequate supply of first land only economic considerations would come into play.

Economically every alt is a gift to the other players. Assuming only one alt is usually online at a time, five alts will only use one fifth the bandwidth, and likewise with most other system resources (they also carry one fifth the inventory for example), and yet pay full whack for the privilege.

Unless they pay annually, the stipend doesn't cover their sub (depends on exchange rate) and anyway stipend only affects other players indirectly via money supply and exchange rate and LL is controlling the money supply and will automatically correct.

At any rate, one more alt is economically worth more to LL, and so to other residents, than one more genuine resident. Takes less resources but pays in full. Five alts contribute five times what they need to LL's US$ income.

My conclusion is - LL create the problem by failing in the supply of first land, otherwise we could happily welcome alts to all the available benefits, and cheer at each one created.

Why on earth do LL choose to fail in supplying sufficient first land for all ? I see no reason for it.

And by the way - what's this assumption everyone keeps making that most people pay annually to get the $72 subscription rate ? Despite the cash benefit I personally don't do it. I can never be sure I will still be here a year later, or even six months. An early departure would wipe out the advantage. $9.95 per month I pay. Don't most others ?

ginger if you looking for a nice place to build a home with lots of prims you may want to consider renting land on a private island.

in some cases as in my sim you don't have to buy the land out right all you need to do is pay the same tier rate as you would on the main land.

my sim still has a few 4096 parcels of land for only 25 us$ a month or the equivalent in linden dollars equal to the current exchange rate on the linden x exchange.

there are many very nice private island sims not only mine you may want to check out that will rent/ lease you land.