Advise about Land seller and a Deal that went sour

Thank you for your advice and opinions each and all

Lilly.

well in theory you signed a contract, right? not his fault if you didn't read it

A tough one.

On one hand, as you admit you didn't properly read the "terms of the deal", there is a case for you having to complete the deal, however as he still owns the land - which presumably still has the same resale value - then a refund of the 100k "less expenses" (which would, presumably, be more or less nothing) would be a goodwill gesture on his part and possibly enable you to do business in the future with him or your friends.

I don't understand why land dealers are like this. I've had my eye on some land for a while, but it's 1/4 of a sim and I only want 4000 sq m. I've messaged the owner telling him that he should split it up and divide it into smaller pieces, as I think several of my friends would be prepared to buy parts of it themselves... but none of us have $L150,000 to buy up front, or the desire to spend all that tier money for one month that we don't actually need. This plot has been for sale for almost a month now so presumably he's still paying tier on it.

I think part of the problem is that because the value of land is dropping, and continues to, people aren't adjusting to the reality that what they paid for it is not what it is now worth, so they stubbornly sit waiting for some mug to buy an overpriced plot without any consideration to the fact that they are losing more and more each month.

If LL made it easier to take and transfer land without having to have the owner online, it would make life much more pleasant - for example, simply changing it so you aren't charged the tier for the *most* land you owned during the month immediately, rather giving perhaps a 24 hour 'grace period' before charges kick in, to allow such transactions to happen without large real life financial penalties preventing people. Right now, we'd have to all be online together, with the owner, so he can spend time parcelling up and repricing plots of land for the individuals, whereas I would happily do that amongst my friends if I was co-ordinating the purchase inconveniencing nobody.

Lewis

Also, whenever possible, avoid buying land out of the land sale system already at hand. Paying for land without using the *buy land* option is like doing a direct money transfer to an Ebay seller and expecting your goods in return.... you're left on a shadowy road...

Having said this, it is sad how some people out there take advantage of others, seeing that it was an unintended mistake.

SIM??? what is it?????
(new...)

SIM = Simulator = Server = A region of land measuring 65,536 square metres.

L$397,000 for half a sim? You can easily buy a private island for that kind of money, yes a WHOLE sim.

But yes I would have to agree, that if you did not read the notecard properly (the cloest thing we have to a 'contract' in SL), and you have admitted to that, you are at fault. You are the party that has broken the contract and unless there is provision in the contract for circumstances such as this, I do not see that you have any recourse.

The 'nice' thing would be for the other party to say oh ok, here's your 100k back, you have even generously offered 25k as 'compensation' but I would thin they are more interested in either 1. selling the land or 2. keeping your 100k and defiantely not thier reputation as a fair person to deal with. Mistakes happen and I think your offer of 25k for thier trouble is more than adequate. I'm sure that if someone else had come along in the meantime and wanted the land it would have been sold right out from underneath you, judging by this person's character.

Basically NEVER buy land as a verbal agreement. The land tools should always be used. If a 'deposit' is required, I would suggest it should also come with a proportional portion of the land as well.

It's an unfortunate situation, and one that looks like it will cost you the equivelent of over $300 US, but hopefully it is one that you and moany others can learn from.

Basic rule in SL, if you are paying a player directly, either to a vendor or to an avatar, you are taking your chances.

Cost HIM 100K Lindens and def spread the word about this character. There is a disreputable characters notecard that is starting to be distributed to newbies at several Free stuff locations, For sure get his name on it.

Why don't you and your friends buy it as a group, then split it up among yourselves?

What?!?!?

coco

Well not sure Id put anyones name in anything surely thats illegal?

Anyway what I WOULD put in advise for not just newbies but ppl new to buying land is whats already been put here and thats DO NOT buy from anywhere outside of the 'buy land' optionl

In all honesty the guy took a deposit and agreed to hold the land until a) new store had been built and b) I sold my old land so my teir didnt double up etc.

I told him when I met him " I dont know the 1st thing about land " and " but Im not paying 500K for an Island I saw!" Surely he must of known 400K wasnt that different?

I am NOT trying to put the blame on him. I accept it was my error I never once tried to wriggle out of that but I really thought considering the fact it was 8 hours later ( not 8 days!) as he slept and was offline that 25K was a very fair compensation.

Instead he just kept on trying different tactics to get me to buy some of his land..reducing the amount but increasing the L$ per meter.

His last effort was 8,000 for 200k????

WTF I own 8000 and im DAMB sure it isnt worth THAT>

Hes already stated ' post what you want! ' he doesnt care he really believes hes the victim here not me and I have ( in his words ) ' put him in a dificult position'

HOW>> ???

I said 8 hours ' I cannot afford 400K plz take my apologies and 25K as compensation'

He ignored it and said we could talk about price but it was my fault the price was clear etc

3 days later and he STILL was talking like I owned that land and ' what was I going to do with my stuff?' ( wasnt my stuff he got a builder in as we talked and even that turned sour I took photos of buildings I saw and loved made that perfectly clear what I wanted and asked for a price and if there was any problem in what I wanted to tell me, I came back 8 hours later hes already built most of it but it was NOTHING in any way shape or form like what I wanted LOL I wanted mediteraien he built futeristic white prim withgreen tinted glass panels like a greenhouse --horrid ) I told the land seller ' It isnt my stuff??? you should of returned it the moment you saw the IMs and notecad saying I cant buy it'

Hes just trying to make it look like I was 'on the land' longer than I was by keeping my stuff there...

I have ZERO idea why its so expensive . yes it was LAGless but only becuz no-one else was there yet.

I would NEVER of agreed to 400K as I dont have it.

Now im stuck in my 8,000 meters of land cant afford to buy any more and the whole experience has made me physically ill. He knows I suffer with health problems and dont work ( he does BTW this is just a little extra cash from what I can gather) how he sleeps at night I really dont know....oh yes I do...by convincing himself hes the victim.

Greedy SOAB I am repulsed by him and his ' blah blah blah ' and ' F*** you' Ims

NO profesional and succesful business person behaves and uses childish and revolting language as he has. It ony serves to show how low he is in my opinion.
Bottom line.

He has my 100K and his land. Hes NOT out of pocket.
Why is he the only one of the 2 of us that has resorted to foul language and 'blah blah blah' IMs???

Why should I pay for his teir on that land until it sells?? He would of had to pay for it had I not come along..hes trying to make out hes only paying for it because I said Id have it.

I dont know Im not a land buyer / seller...I dont understand things from his side I just know buying & selling land is a gamble this guy has a reputation for selling the cheapest land 6L$ a meter ( or some-one told me after I had met him ) so why was I charged 14L$? or what ever....because he saw I owned a big store and thought ' loaded!'

LOL i wish! the assumptions ppl make.

Im really pissed off...really down lot of money to loose for a mistake.

Wasnt being akward or changing my mind or found other land...I just didnt realise he wanted 400K..and I just dont have it.

I agree it is unfortunate this "misunderstanding" happened. I think I would also support the comments made by others on this thread about buying land insomuch as you should only really trust either the buy land tool or auction process run by Lindon.

However not all people here are the same and there are exceptions to this rule......I recently concluded a deal with Anshe Chung insomuch as she purchased some difficult land to resale in return for me agreeing to purchase some land in Dreamland. Both deals had to be done separately due to restrictions in terms of purchasing group land on Islands vis-à-vis repurchasing my Mainland land and tier issues.

In other words both transactions had to be concluded on a "trust" basis with payment upfront before the land tools could be used on both sides for all parties to the agreement, and the amounts involved were more than 200K.

She behaved like a perfect lady, there was trust on both sides, and all completed to the satisfaction of all concerned. So not all land barons are the same...

So I personally would whole heartily endorse Anshe and would suggest you research the history of other land barons before doing business with them

Curiously, I know this sellerl b/c he was talking to me about this situation. I read the notecards,and they're very clear. You agreed to a deal, and you didn't keep your promise.

I also know many many other buyers he has helped.

He set the landn for sale to you to use the buy button. You paid him the 100k downpayment, and owed himm 295k and he put the land for sale to you in your name only for the difference.

I understand yesterday he also said go ahead and buy 100k worth of land since you already paid, but instead you try to run his reputation through the forums.

I respect him even more for not playing your game in the forums and instead trying to deal with you on your own. From what he's showed me, it is clear he's made a ton of efforts to try to work this out with you.

I also saw his land, and I guess the reason it's expensive is because it's really beautiful, in Maejku. Anyway, there''s a long list of buyer this guy has helped and contiues to help. I don't know why you won't work with him adn instead insist that you are right and the victim here.

You signed an agreement, not once, but twice far as I could tell. He tells me he commited to an addtinal purchase and tier from someone else based on your promise and now that you have not kept it, he's stuck paying the price and tier for the new land he's buying, and the land he was holding for you expecting you to complete your end of the deal.

Oh well, guess the lesson here, be careful and don't makek promises you can't keep.

I haven't directly dealt with Anshe but I have handled business wiht her agents. Buying land in Meins recently, we found our plot had a 16m2 area not up for sale cut out of the 1024 making it a 1008. The agent gladly responded, placing this 16 m2 for sale at 0 to us. He also stated he would do so if we found other 'pockets' on any future land. Thus far my opion is good.

I dont know who he is or what is the situation or who is right but this thread is breaking TOS:
"...<SWEARWORD> I hate him...."
"...He had aprox <LAND SIZE> of a sim for sale...."
"....also saw his land, and I guess the reason it's expensive is because it's really beautiful, in <SIM NAME>..."

These posts include info:
sim name, how much sqm he has.
With this info residents can go and check who he is and this thread is against TOS and need to be removed.

In My defence I have NOT mentioned any names only his ' representative' has given info relevent to the persons ID.

As for the word B***ard I was under the impression it was a word used to define a child without a father which over the years has been taken on and used as a slang word to insult a person.
Interestingly ' pissed off ' in the UK is deemed as far more a vulgar use of words but for the sake of the younger or more sensative people I will edit my post and apologise.

Well 'Love' I see this is your first post in the forums and obviously in both sides of any disagreement each party will have ppl who are on their side and vise versa.

Bottom line is
a) I have not mentioned this person name only YOU have given details that could lead to his ID so the accusation that I came here to ruin his reputation is almost laughable....you have done that for him.

B) I came here to see if indeed i 'was' being as unreasonable as he claimed I was after telling me ' F*** you* I really needed to know why he was being so god damb stubburn and rude.

It's something I do when in confrontation, I go to other's and relay the story and see if indeed I 'am' being unreasonable. Everyone in disagreements should do this and tell the story as accuratly as possible or else the excerise is pointless.

I think its fair to say I have been honest here. Told it how it was that I made the error etc.

The question is : is it fair to hold onto 100K rather than the 25K I offered after only 8 hours and my misunderstanding?

Up until your post I had no idea he had even set the land for sale the whole thing was done in 15 mins then he logged off.

Why do you applaud him for reading these posts and not defending himself or 'playing my game' then come and do it yourself?! lol

Bottom line question was:

Is it morally right and desent to hold onto what amounts to $350 when you have lost nothing other than a potential sale and if ppl are queing up to buy this beautiful land then by now he will of sold it and according to his words I will get my 100K back less expenses ( teir costs which depended on how quick he sold it) so presumably its been sold. so 32.5K land teir amount for 5 days well...I dont know...does it even amount to the 25K L$ I offered him in the 1st place?

We will see JUST how much of a fair, honest, gentlemanly & succesful business man he is won't we?

In which case I will come back here and report he did indeed stick to his word and was indeed a gentleman.

Time will tell.

Im sorry for 'playing games' but if you had just lost $350 regardless of whether you dropped your purse or lost it in a poker game youd be upset and angry

The question never was ' Did I make the error?' Its perfectly clear I made that error, the queston was ' is the way he's handling it approriate and fair'

I have been talking to person in game to resolve this problem and like to keep it in game now.

Is there a way to close a thread?

Thanks

Yeah, start discussing ageplay

LMAO