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ZoSo Zugzwang
Registered User
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 7
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01-12-2005 22:38
Well I rarely post in forums, but im sure some of you know me from my trivia events, I had a heads up on this news about not getting support for events, so I sold my land, went to basic, and havent been on SL since, Trivia was fun while it lasted, but there is no reason to really host it anymore as I cant afford to give out prize money and not get paid for events, It was a fun ride, kinda stinks they are doing this, but life goes on. Adios
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Moleculor Satyr
Fireflies!
Join date: 5 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,650
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01-13-2005 08:35
G'bye.
(You don't -need- to give out money, you also could start charging. Just because you didn't look for alternatives and instead went all knee-jerk doesn't mean we're going to start losing intelligence and start screaming for LL to allow inflation to occur.)
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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01-13-2005 09:45
From: ZoSo Zugzwang Well I rarely post in forums, but im sure some of you know me from my trivia events, I had a heads up on this news about not getting support for events, so I sold my land, went to basic, and havent been on SL since, Trivia was fun while it lasted, but there is no reason to really host it anymore as I cant afford to give out prize money and not get paid for events, It was a fun ride, kinda stinks they are doing this, but life goes on. Adios Contact a few merchants and see if they will donate prizes for free advertising. Instead of a $500L total prize you could have $5000L in prizes. You really have to learn to adapt in this world.
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Tito Gomez
Mi Vida Loca
Join date: 1 Aug 2004
Posts: 921
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01-13-2005 11:56
Government welfare for industry made factories in the old Soviet Union very inneficient. They also turned out very low quality products. A sad fact, as the Russian people are incredibly smart and entrepreneurial.
In SL, we have clubs and events coming out our ears. Most of them are clones; they may change the wall colors and the name of the joint, but they are no different than the one next door. Most offer the same ol' thing. Why? They got paid, no matter what.
Now, there will be competition for a player's L$. I expect the quality of clubs and event will rise to meet the challenge.
Savvy club owners will form partnerships with other SL industries to replace lost support from LL. It will be a win-win situation for all, especially SL consumers.
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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01-13-2005 13:30
Excellent analogy, Tito; thanks for the concept. And right on Mol and Schwanson, those are simple but highly useful ideas.
I guess I mean: *bump*.
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TinaStar Dawn
Registered User
Join date: 23 Dec 2003
Posts: 249
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01-13-2005 14:01
It's a shame that ZoSo and many others are having their Second Lives thrown into chaos because of a management decision by LL. This isn't just that people's tastes have changed or that there are better, smarter people making more fun attractions drawing crowds away. People like ZoSo did everything right by the rules that existed and were totally blindsided by a sudden change. Maybe you think the decision was right or long overdue, or maybe you just hate people having fun - whatever. The point is that many people in SL made decisions about how much land to own, what tier to be in, etc. based on expecting a certain environment where they could predict what their weekly bonus would be and what their hosting fees would be and about what they might win at contests. It's not popular to come forward and say "this radically changed my second life" because you immediately get shouted down as a leech, a "rate whore", or just too stupid or lazy to do things the right way. Maybe all of that is true, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating for people who expected one set of rules and suddenly have to adapt to new ones. Once all of the ZoSo's of the world sell off their land, stop holding their events, stop spending money on newly scripted items for their clubs (I happen to know Zo was in the market for a very pricey item that would have benefited a skilled scripter) maybe then all of the hermits and misanthropes who are cheering now will feel a bit of the pain too. Hopefully some of the people who are tearing down their dreams, selling off their land, and greatly reducing the ammount of real US$ they pay LL today will be around to have sympathy when it finally ripples to those who are mistakenly cheering today.
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Lance LeFay
is a Thug
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 1,488
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01-13-2005 14:50
From: TinaStar Dawn It's a shame that ZoSo and many others are having their Second Lives thrown into chaos because of a management decision by LL. This isn't just that people's tastes have changed or that there are better, smarter people making more fun attractions drawing crowds away. People like ZoSo did everything right by the rules that existed and were totally blindsided by a sudden change. Maybe you think the decision was right or long overdue, or maybe you just hate people having fun - whatever. The point is that many people in SL made decisions about how much land to own, what tier to be in, etc. based on expecting a certain environment where they could predict what their weekly bonus would be and what their hosting fees would be and about what they might win at contests. It's not popular to come forward and say "this radically changed my second life" because you immediately get shouted down as a leech, a "rate whore", or just too stupid or lazy to do things the right way. Maybe all of that is true, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating for people who expected one set of rules and suddenly have to adapt to new ones. Once all of the ZoSo's of the world sell off their land, stop holding their events, stop spending money on newly scripted items for their clubs (I happen to know Zo was in the market for a very pricey item that would have benefited a skilled scripter) maybe then all of the hermits and misanthropes who are cheering now will feel a bit of the pain too. Hopefully some of the people who are tearing down their dreams, selling off their land, and greatly reducing the ammount of real US$ they pay LL today will be around to have sympathy when it finally ripples to those who are mistakenly cheering today. Okay, but you still haven't made a point about why this is bad.
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Amy Faddoul
Carrion Eater
Join date: 13 Aug 2004
Posts: 129
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01-13-2005 15:26
I..Once again am rather at odd with lances last statement...But..ZoSo, having known him since he was in a stripped shirt was a prince amongst men. His "Club" was tastefull and well organized. had/has a loyal following. I don't think corporatizing in that situation would have worked to well. I'm not to sure what to think about the Event linden issue anymore. Part of me feels it's a good idea. Part of me thinks that it was a good idea that was practiced badly. there is nothing "wrong" with the Lindens giving a bit of a kickback to a club that actually contributes to a community. Real governments do the same thing. I do agree that linden subsidization of the generic cookiecutter events were not thought through thouroughly and ultimately what led to the issue and the controversy and the hurt feelings in the first place. And for those who say it was welfare..I'm not to keen on that..Welfare by it's very nature is more of a hand out. Not like they were getting paid to do Nothing at all..Well not a good number of them at least. Most "Clubs" were and many still do provide a service that is much needed in SL and the real world in general.An outlet. A place to play. A place to see and be seen, dance, show off the new shirt/pants/dress/skin ya just bought.I also agree that there were way to many of them. like a mall full of Victorias secrets..How many Victorias Secrets do you need? and how could one stand out in that kind of crowd? (Starbucks) I have in the last few days mocked many in the forums who having never set foot in a club,Or very few at least,Bash all clubs with an almost fanatical zeal..Well..It's thier right to. Who am I to take anything away from them for having thier own feelings, to them I say, I'm sorry. But clubs Like ZoSo's..That was a real diamond in my eyes. I'll miss hanging out with you all.Thats what it's all about (To me at least). Friends. Ya pals. I wish you much luck My friend..  Come back and visit. Hang out with me on the beach. Hell..We'll make a party of it. Love Amy.
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Daemioth Sklar
Lifetime Member
Join date: 30 Jul 2003
Posts: 944
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01-13-2005 15:55
I agree with a lot of what you said, Tina.
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Moleculor Satyr
Fireflies!
Join date: 5 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,650
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01-13-2005 15:59
From: TinaStar Dawn It's a shame that ZoSo and many others are having their Second Lives thrown into chaos because of a management decision by LL. If I were to suddenly win the lottery, or ask someone to marry me, or develop psychic powers, my life would be thrown into chaos as well. Chaos is not a bad thing. Chaos is not indicative of bad things. And letting something like a TINY change to the monetary policies of SL throw your life into chaos means you either weren't very balanced to begin with, or you're hypersensitive.
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Daemioth Sklar
Lifetime Member
Join date: 30 Jul 2003
Posts: 944
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01-13-2005 17:23
"Tiny," in this case, is a subjective adjective... kind of important to remember that.
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Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,012
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Assertions about Soviet Industry
01-13-2005 18:01
This assertion may be true of certain segments of Soviet production, but if one considers art, sport, and technical production, the Soviets held very high standards of achievement. Your assertion treats factory production as equating all production. From: Tito Gomez Government welfare for industry made factories in the old Soviet Union very inneficient. They also turned out very low quality products. A sad fact, as the Russian people are incredibly smart and entrepreneurial.
In SL, we have clubs and events coming out our ears. Most of them are clones; they may change the wall colors and the name of the joint, but they are no different than the one next door. Most offer the same ol' thing. Why? They got paid, no matter what.
Now, there will be competition for a player's L$. I expect the quality of clubs and event will rise to meet the challenge.
Savvy club owners will form partnerships with other SL industries to replace lost support from LL. It will be a win-win situation for all, especially SL consumers.
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Rickard Roentgen
Renaissance Punk
Join date: 4 Apr 2004
Posts: 1,869
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01-13-2005 19:06
From: TinaStar Dawn It's a shame that ZoSo and many others are having their Second Lives thrown into chaos because of a management decision by LL. This isn't just that people's tastes have changed or that there are better, smarter people making more fun attractions drawing crowds away. People like ZoSo did everything right by the rules that existed and were totally blindsided by a sudden change. Maybe you think the decision was right or long overdue, or maybe you just hate people having fun - whatever. The point is that many people in SL made decisions about how much land to own, what tier to be in, etc. based on expecting a certain environment where they could predict what their weekly bonus would be and what their hosting fees would be and about what they might win at contests. It's not popular to come forward and say "this radically changed my second life" because you immediately get shouted down as a leech, a "rate whore", or just too stupid or lazy to do things the right way. Maybe all of that is true, but it doesn't make it any less frustrating for people who expected one set of rules and suddenly have to adapt to new ones. Once all of the ZoSo's of the world sell off their land, stop holding their events, stop spending money on newly scripted items for their clubs (I happen to know Zo was in the market for a very pricey item that would have benefited a skilled scripter) maybe then all of the hermits and misanthropes who are cheering now will feel a bit of the pain too. Hopefully some of the people who are tearing down their dreams, selling off their land, and greatly reducing the ammount of real US$ they pay LL today will be around to have sympathy when it finally ripples to those who are mistakenly cheering today. lol no it's not a shame.
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Cherry Took
Mud Wrestling Champeeeen
Join date: 7 Jan 2005
Posts: 160
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THe nasty R word
01-21-2005 12:44
Perhaps I can help her clarify her point. When People like her quit spending money on clothes, land, and premium accounts because they don't have to dress up to go out anymore, everyone will feel the pain. It is called Recession. From: Lance LeFay Okay, but you still haven't made a point about why this is bad.
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ZoSo Zugzwang
Registered User
Join date: 5 Aug 2004
Posts: 7
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geesh
01-22-2005 01:07
wow after logging back in, i was expecting maybe one reply, now i get all sorts of mixed reactions, to clarify, I never said I was going to quit, I Just said i was going to stop hosting events, but that dont matter anymore. But im going to say something to upset people, maybe when the lindens get their greedy heads out of their butts, and start supporting events in the game for legit hosts such as myself, I will start hosting again, as for Moleculor Satyr your a real assclown, dont even associate your av with mine, dont even beathe the same air as me, hell dont even type my name you loser, and for everyone else that is knocking me, get a life, go outside get some air, or better yet a real job and stop wasting your days on here, you only live once, and If I offended anybody, well Im sorry but maybe you needed to be offended, now with that all said, THanks for the peeps backing me up, maybe ill see ya in the game sometime. c-ya
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