Zoning & Dwell (Feature Voting)
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Jayson Whittaker
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Join date: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 220
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08-13-2006 17:13
I Propose that LL bring in Zoning to lots, all firstland being released as residential then being able to pay to change the zoning to community, public, etc. Dwell also comes into this by offering Dwell for certain Zoning and changing the amounts of Dwell for each Zone. i.e. Community Lot-Able to sell items permanently for free -Receive 5L dwell for each consecutive 5 minutes somebody spends in the store -Costs, say, 2L/sqm to change lot to Community -Allows Terraforming by the lot owner/manager(s) -Allows one owner and a number of managers Residential Lot-Able to sell items but need to buy a permit for a Temporary Yard Sale (maybe 100L for 24hour permit) -Receive no dwell for anybody -Allows Terraforming by the lot owner(s) -Allows multiple avatars to own one piece of land, Dividing the land into each person's tier (i.e. 2 people own 512, 256 on each tier. 3 people own 1536, 512 on each tier) Group Land-Additional Zoning, can have Residential Group Land or Community Group Land -Receive bonus 2L dwell for each consecutive 5 minutes (makes 7L community, 2L residential) -Costs 1L/sqm to Zone a lot Group Land (though a Group can still own residential/community land without zoning group) -Dwell is either split between all members of the group, split between the officers or sent to the founder. Please discussProposal URL: https://secondlife.com/vote/vote.php?get_id=1795
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Zany Golem
Purple Freak
Join date: 30 Oct 2005
Posts: 113
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08-13-2006 22:28
while this is a great idea, I think LL's current strategy is a good one.
Let the mainland be free. There are plenty of private islands that offer zoning.
That way the the best of both worlds is available.
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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08-13-2006 22:37
People can do what they like on their land - no fees to sell off yard.
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Ryan00 Odets
just a stupid redneck!
Join date: 17 Dec 2005
Posts: 289
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08-14-2006 00:43
From: Jonas Pierterson People can do what they like on their land - no fees to sell off yard. HAHA Jonas I recently drove by a garage sale and felt the need to stop and ask them why they was just selling their garage......The odd look I got until the people realized what I said was soo priceless!
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Zulqadi Saarinen
Registered User
Join date: 30 Jan 2006
Posts: 47
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08-14-2006 02:53
Oh Pleeeeeease! If I have to live with zoning and rules and bloody regulations... i d prefer to stay in RL. Its a game, please dont make unnecessary laws to "CONTROL" and "REGULATE" people. Let them be... they are tired of laws in rl and come here to have a break.
If you want a zoned area, Anshe has some, go live there.
SL offers us a taste of a rare commodity: FREEDOM, which is bein available less and less in RL. Thats the one of main edges of SL. if regulations are start taking advances, then maybe we d have a Patriot Act here in SL one day. And , thank you... I dont want that.
The "evolution" takes place in sl, and thats my experience... noobs buy first land and make mess of it, then they gradually learn and grow, and areas start taking definitive shapes... and thats the beauty. many of them then feel the need to move to bigger land or to better surrounding, and that fuels further land sales, and helps economy. That is why LL keeps creating land and it keeps selling it.
Let people live in an environment where they enjoy maximum freedom and let their ingenuity and creativity flow from there. The first casualty of Regulations is always the Artistic creativity. And thats also the edge of SL on all competition that it offers opportunity of artistic expression. Any policy that overlooks the "intangible" edges of Sl over others, will hurt LL.
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Jayson Whittaker
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Join date: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 220
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08-14-2006 06:15
Ok, so you call buying a plot of land for, say, US$50 on the beachfront then having some hoon build a giant mall on one side and the great wall of secondlife on 2 other sides freedom? I don't. It may be a game but seriously, Zoning doesn't hurt anyone as much as Current activities.
Zoning does not restrict creation except for the fact you pay more to start a business... paying an extra 2L per sqm isn't that bad... I mean, if it's firstland it's STILL worth more than that...
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Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
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08-14-2006 07:12
From: Zulqadi Saarinen If you want a zoned area, Anshe has some, go live there. That's fine if you want to rent, but not if you want to buy (own) the land. Despite the advertising claims, unless your name is on the parcel details as owner, it ain't yours, and you could log in one morning to find everything returned to your inventory and the owner disappeared with your cash. Linden Lab pushing everyone off to private islands is part of the fragmentation of SL - the latest incarnation of this action being the destruction of the forums - and I think you'd find more people agreeing that fragmentation is far more destructive thana few zoning rules. Zoning is the way SL should have been set up from the start, but in all of Linden Lab's forward thinking and vision, they didn't seem to take into account that when you give people total freedom, you get anarchy in return, and that is not what most of us want - hence the problem with land swoopers, griefer builds and suchlike with absolutely nothing being done to combat it. I have always tried to be thoughtful in my builds, and I have been lucky so far to have good neighbours. I now have a 7900m plot with Linden road on three sides, and a nice house built on the fourth. Across the road one side is a friend, across the other two sides are the slopes of a hill so unless it's a recreation of the Tower of Babel, it's not likely to interfere with my view. Unfortunately, not everyone is that lucky. Lewis
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Barbarra Blair
Short Person
Join date: 18 Apr 2004
Posts: 588
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08-14-2006 09:09
I prefer a mixed-use lot, so zoning would not serve me well.
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ReserveBank Division
Senior Member
Join date: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,408
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08-14-2006 09:28
From: Jayson Whittaker I Propose that LL bring in Zoning to lots, all firstland being released as residential then being able to pay to change the zoning to community, public, etc. Dwell also comes into this by offering Dwell for certain Zoning and changing the amounts of Dwell for each Zone. i.e. Community Lot-Able to sell items permanently for free -Receive 5L dwell for each consecutive 5 minutes somebody spends in the store -Costs, say, 2L/sqm to change lot to Community -Allows Terraforming by the lot owner/manager(s) -Allows one owner and a number of managers Residential Lot-Able to sell items but need to buy a permit for a Temporary Yard Sale (maybe 100L for 24hour permit) -Receive no dwell for anybody -Allows Terraforming by the lot owner(s) -Allows multiple avatars to own one piece of land, Dividing the land into each person's tier (i.e. 2 people own 512, 256 on each tier. 3 people own 1536, 512 on each tier) Group Land-Additional Zoning, can have Residential Group Land or Community Group Land -Receive bonus 2L dwell for each consecutive 5 minutes (makes 7L community, 2L residential) -Costs 1L/sqm to Zone a lot Group Land (though a Group can still own residential/community land without zoning group) -Dwell is either split between all members of the group, split between the officers or sent to the founder. Please discussProposal URL: https://secondlife.com/vote/vote.php?get_id=1795 Who is going to enforce this zoning? And who is going to say a building which looks like a store front and zoned as such, is used for residential purposes? Good luck with the zoning... I doubt you'll make it work. Unless you round up an army of zoning inspectors to enforce the rules. And what type of enforcement will be implemented if there is a violation? Kick the person off their own land?
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Jayson Whittaker
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Join date: 20 Jul 2006
Posts: 220
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08-14-2006 16:39
No, there can be scripting like the prim limits that you cannot place anything once you reach them-You simply cannot place anything for sale on residential land.
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