BLUMFIELD ...What will happen next?

I know tonight is our meeting about zoning etc. BUT...has anyone checked the FOR SALE signs latey in front of the vacant houses? Look at the prices that weren't there before. I checked and don't see prices, but some of said that when checking the prices on the website they are very steep. I'm hoping this isn't true.

*IF* the land in Blumfield which is a 512m lot, becomes available for an unreasonable price, I don't see Blumfield remaining what it is right now...

Most of the residents are new to SL and have not yet become established business owners. That means that our lindens are quite low as of now.

I for one do not have any intentions of buying more lindens to pay for a high priced 512m lot. I'm hoping that this doesn't happen.

Perhaps the current residents can see if the land will be offered at a lower price, since we've been loyal and we still live there. We'll soon see what will become of Blumfield.

You're not going to have an exclusively residential zoned sim complete with building requirements and maintain lower land prices in today's open market. The only way to offer such will be for the association to buy the lots now and lease, or resell, them to new residents at a loss.

Good luck with your project. A lot of people are watching from the Upper Lurk Gallery.

Don't worry. After I buy up the remaining lots and redistribute them to you guys for 1L each, everything will be fine.
(The only difference will be the erection of the giant MOLLYWOOD sign on the hillside overlooking the town.) ^_^

and I will eat your babies.

I have some very important things to tell you...ONE is that I'm not selling my land in Kamba...and the other is something I'll tell you when I see you )

meeting was had.
chat log to be posted tomorrow with any luck.

(the chat log colouring tool is down)

(yes it is, way)

Well, I cant get the chat log colouring tool, so Ill start by posting an 'executive' summary.
If any of these notes disagree with your memory of the meeting, shout out!

1. Full ownership - 20th Feb
From 20th Feb, blumfielders/westies will have full ownership - from this date owners will be able to trade/transfer their land.
- Any private deals between owners can occur from this date.

2. Vacant Plots - how to buy them!
Lauren explained that Blumfield/West Haven was a bit of an experiment - hence the small size, and the small number of residents that the offer was opened to. (more on this later).
To conclude it, current residents of the two sims may buy the remaining plots and/or invite their friends in.

To do either, email [email]lauren@lindenlab.com[/email] with your request. You may identify the exact plots you want, and if necessary can ask to transfer your plot with another - though if there are many transfer requests, it might get tricky. Lauren asked: Not too many transfers please!

If there is a narrow strip of governor land between you and a plot you want to buy (as there is between some rows of houses), ask for its removal when you email lauren - she will try to reparcel accordingly, keeping the new plot to 512m2

The plots will go at auction starting price: thats 1950 Lindens per 512m2 plot.
The sales will be first come first served - so put your request in asap.
Requests must be in by Feb 10th. Any remaining after that date become First Land on the 20th.

Dont forget to tier up also! Normal tier costs apply.

3. Dormant plots
Normal rules will apply. As long as someone is paying premium, LL will not reclaim land (obviously) - and after the 20th normal rules will apply for reclaiming land that is not covered by tier.

4. Zoning
Lauren expressed that LL had learned a lot from experiment, and it does seem that covenants/improved group tools are being worked on to make it easier for resident groups to create their own zoning mechanisms. Which is nice. There will be no automatic imposition of zoning in blum/west haven - while no one has vocally opposed it, not everyone has joined the resident groups.

5. More Blumfields?
An issue for the wider community, will there be more Blumfields? I'll provide some excerpt of the log here:

Lauren Linden: we do have a 4-8 sim test, but that should be all

So it looks like at least another 2 Blumfield-type sims will be appearing, but possibly no more than that.
This is an issue for existing residents with businesses based on sales/rental who rely on zoning to add value - and who for obvious reasons do not want LL to start competing with residents on this. If LL do limit the 'test' to a max of 8 sims, then I personally feel that represents quite limited competition (see recent large scale sim auctions!)
I think this is a very contentious issue though - and Id request that anyone wanting to discuss it create a new thread, and just provide a link in this one.

related to this was
6. Are new group/covenant/zoning tools going to help?
And who will they help?
I believe Jeska is having a week long focus group, and again this is best left to other threads - but once the log is up you'll see it was discussed at the meeting - a little.

I did cut off the discussion on 5 & 6 - being in a different time zone, I couldnt hang around any longer, and the discussion moved into areas that are speculative and/or not relevant to the local residents groups - apologies for doing this, I just felt it was not the appropriate space or audience.

Remember that asking price is not the same as sale price. In FL, many homes are offered for outrageous prices, and sometimes stay on the market for years, realtors changing, as the owner insists "but my house is worth more than these fools are offering me."

Rising land values, the ability to sell your parcel for more than you paid for it, is the very best sign that a community is succeeding! If all folks will pay is the same as they'll pay for un-zoned, randomly developed land with the griefer signs and sex ball vendos across the back fence, you've not created a superior community.

If you don't want to buy Lindens to buy a parcel in Blumfield, fine ... don't live there. But don't begrudge those who took the chance to buy a parcel before it was proven and are now rewarded for their investment risk-taking. Let them get their capital out and invest it in another experiment that might be as successful.

Only when such experiments succeed economically will capitalists and citizen land banks bring such developments to market in quantities sufficient to keep the market price affordable.

Disclosure: Frank Lardner does not own land anywhere.

Sorry, Max.
Blumfielders eat their own babies or use them to fill potholes.

Well, the chat log colouring tool isnt coming back, and new in-game tools for this are too late... but here is the chatlog in glorious monochrome.

Other than the summary notes I posted, perhaps the best bit is the birth of the NIC - the Newbie Inner Core.

cheers (manually stripped of smilies cos of forum software...grrr)


--part 1--
You: I thought to start Id prepare some questions.... in the box in the middle
Perri Turner: hello Elizabetha
You: First up,
Elizabetha Pirandello: hi pery
Lauren Linden: good questions
Elizabetha Pirandello: pery
You: does anyone object to me posting a log of this chat on the forum?
You: if so, please say!
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: no good idea
Molly Montale: fine
Perri Turner: not I
Diorama Clutterbuck: No, by all means
Elizabetha Pirandello: go for it
Findal Bertone: I'm ok with it : )
Lauren Linden: np
You: cool....
An object named Object owned by Patch Lamington gave you Meeting Notes.
You: well... Ill open
Lauren Linden: I will also email all WH/BF residents with this information
You: first thanks all for coming! nice to see so many!
You: that would be good, thanks lauren
You: and anyone feel free to chip in questions... even you prok : - )
Lauren Linden: Should I answer Question 1?
You: yes.... is the date for full ownership set?
Lauren Linden: It will be Feb 20
You: that one was easy : - )
You: question 2...
You: hi gwyn, grab a seat
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: hi gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you Patch : )
Lauren Linden: If you want to refer friends or buy plots, you can email me with your request by Feb 10
Elizabetha Pirandello: hi gwun
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi all : )
Lauren Linden: it will be first-come, first-served between now and then.
Perri Turner: hello Gwyneth
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: what does that mean?
Lauren Linden: in fact, i can transfer some plots right after this meeting
Lauren Linden: for those who want to stick around.
VzNevada Menoptra: plots?
You: woot...
Lauren Linden: parcels
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: you mean to buy?
You: land like youve been after nevada
VzNevada Menoptra: now?
VzNevada Menoptra: yes
Lauren Linden: we can set up another time later this week for the same kind of thing
Lauren Linden: sure
Molly Montale: holy cow
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: how much/
You: hang on Ill send you an email now : )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: ?
VzNevada Menoptra: what is the standing price?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: right
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: and tier?
You: is it first land price?
Lauren Linden: the thing is... I wasn't able to set the sim to transfer w/out opening flood gates
You: tier I asume is the standard
Elizabetha Pirandello: Or do we negotiate with present occupier
Lauren Linden: hang on a sec... brb.
Lauren Linden: (embarrased)... forget to get you a price
VzNevada Menoptra: : - )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: : )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: great preparation
Brigham Kamloops: Oh, just pick a number.
Brigham Kamloops: Small, please
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "42" sounds good.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: 10 sounds bettetr
You: too much... we look after the land for them and they pay us : )
Brigham Kamloops: hehe
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: and to announce w/no notice
You: that was kind of sudden
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Is it mid-february already? Time flies in SL!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: : D
Molly Montale: I'm still making my shopping list.
Diorama Clutterbuck: Hehe
Lauren Linden: Okay, back.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: wb : )
Perri Turner: wb
VzNevada Menoptra: wb Lauren : - )
Elizabetha Pirandello: wb
Komarg Axon: wb
Lauren Linden: It will be the "starting price", which Jeska's about to IM me
Diorama Clutterbuck: warnerbrothers
You: ditto : )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: starting price? an auction?
Lauren Linden: Jeska Linden: We start all auctions for L$3.80/m2 or L$1950 for a 512 plot.
Lauren Linden: It won't be an auction
You: so this will be set price at 1950L a plot
Lauren Linden: yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn *scratches head*
Perri Turner: whew
Elizabetha Pirandello: sounds good
Molly Montale: not bad
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: is that set?
Diorama Clutterbuck: doubleyou tee eff
Komarg Axon: ok - a reasonable price.
Lauren Linden: yeah. there will be no bidding.
Elizabetha Pirandello: what about plots already occupied?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: ok
Lauren Linden: that's what we set the intro price at for land, and the bidding usually raises it
VzNevada Menoptra: I think that would be up the owner
You: can I suggest that for fairness, I know you said first come first served, that each resident get a chance to get a plot...
Elizabetha Pirandello: Person next to is wiiling to sell to me. Do I negotiate with her OR
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yeah, we get first crack at it?
You: is that in mind? I wouldnt want one person emailing and saying "dibs on 10 plots please"
Lauren Linden: yeah, unfortunately, we can't kick out deadbeat neighbors : )
VzNevada Menoptra: lucky : - )
Molly Montale: what about the 2 or more plots who's owner's no longer show up on the find search?
VzNevada Menoptra: lol
You: if theyve left game, I assume plots will be returned
Lauren Linden: reading... about to answer...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Only after 2 months, usually...
You: ok
Elizabetha Pirandello: And if they have a plot but are else where in SL
Elizabetha Pirandello: is plot returnded n the 20th
Lauren Linden: oh yes. residents of BF/WH will come first with email requests
Lauren Linden: patch, did that answer your question?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sounds about right : )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: how many can we buy?
Elizabetha Pirandello: My questin is not being answerd
Lauren Linden: EP - you must negotiate with her
Elizabetha Pirandello: thank you : )
Lauren Linden: she can set the land to sale for you
Elizabetha Pirandello: OK
Lauren Linden: on Feb 20th (or before if you show up at a 'transfer time" like I mentioned)
Molly Montale: I assume the strip of Linden land behind most houses will always remain?
Lauren Linden: Molly not sure about your questions
You: yes, can you confirm that linden land will remain as it is?
VzNevada Menoptra: there's a line between some parcels
Lauren Linden: Molly Montale: what about the 2 or more plots who's owner's no longer show up on the find search?
VzNevada Menoptra: linden land
Lauren Linden: can you clarify?
Molly Montale: there are 2 on D Street. Maybe more
Lauren Linden: the linden land is all staying, if that is the wish
You: if you look at property lines, youll see that behind you there is a gap between my property and the next one
You: behind the fence
You: its a mixed blessing....
Lauren Linden: if we're going to join 2 plots like that, we can remove that line
You: thank you...
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: lauren how many are available?
VzNevada Menoptra: the land will then be more than 512M
Lauren Linden: but you're right to think that after feb 20th, that might make things complicated.
You: that would be good for many I think
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: how many can we buy?
Lauren Linden: oh i see
Lauren Linden: hmm...
Lauren Linden: yeah, i guess we can shave some land off another side ?
Lauren Linden: to keep it in the 1024 tier
You: jeanne, can we come back to that... yes, lauren, that might be desirable
You: *would* be desireable
Lauren Linden: when you email me with requests, please try to include that issue if you have it
Lauren Linden: I will take care of it
Molly Montale: this is super
You: ok, your email address for those that need it? lauren?
Lauren Linden: JP - you can buy as many as you want
Lauren Linden: my email: [email]lauren@lindenlab.com[/email]

congratulations to you if you make it to the end of this... but a little after halfway the Newbie Inner Core is born

--part 2--
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: ty
Lauren Linden: all the plots with for Sale signs are still open
Lauren Linden: what is that blinking?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: how many is that?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: blumfield tv
Lauren Linden: i'm not really sure
VzNevada Menoptra: I have a question:
Lauren Linden: i can find out
Lauren Linden: probably about 25 per sim
VzNevada Menoptra: what if we want to move from one plot to another to be near open land for sale
Lauren Linden: BF/WH
Lauren Linden: that's fine
VzNevada Menoptra: we can leave what we have and move?
Lauren Linden: You can email that request to me.
VzNevada Menoptra: thank you
Lauren Linden: I can actually transfer all the objects over (or you can)
Lauren Linden: Please. Don't each of you make that request!
Lauren Linden: : )
Lauren Linden: I really suck at the edit tool. : )
You: middle of the sim suits me : - )
Brigham Kamloops is offline
VzNevada Menoptra: lol
You: i think we are doing well with the prepared questions...
BrinaBaby Richard shouts: ']\
Molly Montale: I'm going to Jeka's zoning presentation in 90 minutes. Are you prepared to talk to us about covenant zoning?
BrinaBaby Richard: sorry baby is touching my keyboard
Lauren Linden: yikes. don't know much about it
Elizabetha Pirandello: good Molly
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: that may not apply molly
Lauren Linden: what percentage of you are in the resident's association
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: its kinda late here
You: [brinababy: say goo for me]
Komarg Axon raises his hand.
Brigham Kamloops is online
VzNevada Menoptra: i know I am
Elizabetha Pirandello: I am
BrinaBaby Richard: no
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: we have 27 members? some ar westies
You: i think just about all of us...
You: sorry there arent many westies here / any? I told riss, but she is busy RL just now
Lauren Linden: what has been the resistance, if any?
You: hi sally, sit in
Lauren Linden: are there neighbors you just don't see
VzNevada Menoptra: behind me
You: yes, that is about it
Komarg Axon: Yep.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yes
Komarg Axon: Next door and behind me...
VzNevada Menoptra: [name redacted for forum!]
Elizabetha Pirandello: behind me and next to me
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: next to me
VzNevada Menoptra: unless he's here and I didn't see him LOL
Lauren Linden: So, I want to say something important...
You: if we can not name names... this will be posted on forum
Molly Montale: There are people who haven't been here since they took their lots
Elizabetha Pirandello: right
You: forum rules : )
VzNevada Menoptra: that's true
Lauren Linden: Blumfield and West Haven....
Komarg Axon: My next door neighbor hasn't logged in since Dec. 5, but I guess there's little we can do though even if they're deadbeats.
Lauren Linden: (yes, please, patch, delete any name mentions before posting)
You: i hardly see my neighbour next door
Lauren Linden: so we didn't have zoning
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: never saw mine but saw motor cycles
Lauren Linden: and i've learned the hard way that it is important
You: yup... dormant plots we can do nothing about until account expires
Lauren Linden: in the future, you'll be given the opportunity to agree to zoning before joining a neighborhood
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: great thats wonderful
Lauren Linden: we're not exactly sure how that will happen, though
Gwyneth Llewelyn cheers anyway!
Elizabetha Pirandello: good for future : )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: hooray
Lauren Linden: the thing is... there's not much we'll be able to do with these 2 sims : (
You: jeska is looking into mechanisms this week...
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: right too l ate here
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: thank you lauren
Lauren Linden: since there are a bunch of people who are NOT part of the Res Associ
Lauren Linden: and we can't kick them out or anything
Elizabetha Pirandello: but cn ask for cooperation
Molly Montale: A forum post suggested that new groups could be form to take advantage of the new zoning tools. Old groups can't
Lauren Linden: but the research you guys have allowed to do has made our plans possible
Lauren Linden: sure
VzNevada Menoptra: so we paved the way for future people but not ourselves.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: how successful was blumfield lauren?
Lauren Linden: The feedback from these 2 communities has led us in that direction.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: would u call it a marketing success?
Lauren Linden: we didn't realized that zoning was so desired.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: and a community center
Lauren Linden: Yes. but we've learned that LL can't do this.
Molly Montale: zoning zoning zoning
VzNevada Menoptra: we've been asking since we moved here...but it's hard to do in a new sim.
Lauren Linden: it will not be scalable.
Prokofy Neva: What was the conversion rate to premiums? and the retention rate?
Lauren Linden: we're going to put in place tools for others to do it
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yes how successful was it?
Lauren Linden: Hmm...
Lauren Linden: not sure about the retention rate
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: noobies need structure
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: till we get acclimated
Diorama Clutterbuck: hear hear
Lauren Linden: the conversion rate was significantly higher for the group we offered free land and house to,
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: that is so obvious
Lauren Linden: but the #s were still low
VzNevada Menoptra: It's a ghost town where I am
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: not surprised
Lauren Linden: since we were only looking at those who "hadn't upgraded since x date"
Lauren Linden: it was a weird experiment. : )
You: I was surprised it wasnt more popular
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: it was a good idea, not a complete one
Lauren Linden: It was popular, really.
Molly Montale: I don't understand why this place didn't fill up the first week.
VzNevada Menoptra: I've met people since then who upgraded and had no idea about this offer...how did that happen?
Lauren Linden: we didn't offer it to many people
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: if you had formed a community, more people would be hear
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: *here
Lauren Linden: we didn't have the resources - land or people to perform this offer to more
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: we're all people who care about that concept
Lauren Linden: you're right
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: and we could have helped get more people here too
Lauren Linden: that's what we've learned.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: lauren, its sociology not marketing
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sometimes the frontier dividing both is not clear in SL ; )
Lauren Linden: yeah, that's what we've realized
Prokofy Neva: Maybe experiments like these need 120 days to be tested, not 30 or 60, because people who would have liked it didnt know about it, they odn't read the forums etc
VzNevada Menoptra: Unfortunately for SL it's marketing.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yes understandable
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: well, talking with us would help
Prokofy Neva: Amen about the sociology Jeanne
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: thanks prok
Molly Montale: I have no complaints. Being part of this has made my SL experience completely different from what it would have been. I feel so fortunate to be here. : )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: I do too
Elizabetha Pirandello: yes I agree molly
Brigham Kamloops: I am also pleased to have been part of this experiment.
Perri Turner: I as well
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: this could have been an even more effective and supportive group
VzNevada Menoptra: Unfortunately for me, I already bought land...and have exteneded my tiers to my limit.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: we love SL
Diorama Clutterbuck: Amen
Elizabetha Pirandello: as for me agree about lignt hof experimetn ididnt kow formuss exsited for 3 inths
You: its made my game very different for sure : )
VzNevada Menoptra: we sure do Jeanne : - )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: and we want it to succeed lauren
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: use residents like us as a resource
Perri Turner: I agree Patch
Lauren Linden: Thank you. Do you have any other questions
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: not just customers
You: open to the floor....
Diorama Clutterbuck: I have a question if possible, though not related to Blumfield as such
Diorama Clutterbuck: Could I enquire as to the availibility of "first land" in the near future?
Prokofy Neva: Also could you consider putting ALL the first land parcels in the land for sale list, often only ONE in a patch goes in or 10, not all, and people think it has run out
Lauren Linden: First land is available to residents who've never purhased land. it will be available again soon
Molly Montale: What will happen on Feb. 20 to any un-sold lots here? First Land?
Lauren Linden: according to Ryan Linden
You: heh prok, thats a feature
Diorama Clutterbuck: Right. Thanks for your time
Brigham Kamloops: I was hoping you would all rez so I could get a picture or two... no such luck.
You: molly, i doubt there will be any unsold... could be wrong though
Prokofy Neva: a feature? no it's just working a little harder to click them all off as for sale on the list
VzNevada Menoptra: do we have until Feb 20 to purchase first?
You: feb 10
VzNevada Menoptra: ah OK
You: to get request
You: to lauren, right?
You: but dont hang about after tonights meeting!
Lauren Linden: The unsold plots will become 1st land plots
Lauren Linden: good questions
VzNevada Menoptra: lol
Molly Montale: Will I be able to purchase the empty lot next to me tonight or soon and then other lots perhaps later?
Komarg Axon: ok - so let me get this straight...
Lauren Linden: sure
Prokofy Neva: So are you saying that because people already live here on these sims, if they want another parcel, they get first dibs? that they are not on the open market? or are they?
Komarg Axon: so it's 1950L now until Feb. 20 to grab extra plots, and after that point, anything still unsold goes for 512L to prospective First Land owners?
Lauren Linden: Yes, due the fact that this group was put through a bit by being part of an experimental deal...
Prokofy Neva: yes I'd advocate giving them that to take the sting out of it a bit
Prokofy Neva: however it does have the usual implications of FICdom as you know : )
Lauren Linden: we are offering them land with first dibs, and we will sell the rest as first land
You: thank you prok!
Molly Montale: People who think that this is a case of Linden content creation will wonder if this model will be repeated.
You: we're the noobie FIC prok : )
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: not like this i hope
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yeah patch
Brigham Kamloops: New group! Noobie FIC!
Prokofy Neva: I guess I'm just not getting why LL did not replicate this, but one problem of course is that it competes with existing resident business, and I actually don't get why they do that
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: we're 27 strong
Prokofy Neva: NIC
You: : )
Komarg Axon: what is FIC/NIC stand for?
Komarg Axon: what does*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: shhh Komarg.
Lauren Linden: We have one more test, and we will use a version of this model to replicated
Prokofy Neva: Feted Inner Core and now Newbie INner Core
Lauren Linden: (-d)
Molly Montale: I may be nothing else, but god damn, I'm a Blumfielder!
Komarg Axon: oh.
Prokofy Neva: well Lauren WHAT are you going to replicate exactly?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: viva blumfield
Elizabetha Pirandello: horray molly
Lauren Linden: we will replicate the original sim state
Prokofy Neva: That's what we would like to know: HOW you will compete with resident business and also WHY
You: komarg: its prok's in joke
You: prok, lauren
Komarg Axon: ah - ok.
Prokofy Neva: Original sim state? Isn't that removed by baptism?
Lauren Linden: ha ha
Prokofy Neva: anyway
VzNevada Menoptra: lol
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: only if your catholic
Prokofy Neva: will you replicate these housing units on new sims as first land? or?
Lauren Linden: These tests are determining what appeals to residents so that we can put the necessary tools in place for resident businesses
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: please use houses w/fewer prims
Lauren Linden: the original 6 houses
VzNevada Menoptra: how true
Molly Montale: I think the standardized sshaped lots and the streets are conducive to first time buyers.
You: I think there are other issues bigger than us, regarding whether this is repeated, and whether something like Blumfield becomes a business model for LL
Lauren Linden: slightly modified
Prokofy Neva: well I could point out that some residents already have businesses even without the necessary tools
Lauren Linden: good point
Lauren Linden: the prim limit we gave was too high
Lauren Linden: "necessary" to make their businesses much more profitable
You: prok, I think lauren is saying that the tools will make it easier for residents
You: and that LL do not plan to repeat this on a large scale
VzNevada Menoptra: higher prim homes will show up now on land owned by people with more plots
Prokofy Neva: Patch, thanks for interpreting the Lindens to me, they are *so hard* to fathom.
You: i might have misread : )
Lauren Linden: we do have a 4-8 sim test, but that should be all
Prokofy Neva: Well I often wonder what the Lindens' notion is of a business that is much more profitable? with tools? this is a mystery to me
Molly Montale: Lauren, and those will be for first land buyers only?
Prokofy Neva: The biggest expense anyone trying to zone on the mainland faces is *buying the view*
Prokofy Neva: even 16 sims is not enough
You: i think you are moving into issues for forums and landlords to debate with Linden Lab, prok
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: right
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: not our issues
You: we are too small scale : )
Prokofy Neva: well they are telling us they have new tools that will make businesses more profitable, I'm mystified
Prokofy Neva: but Patch they just said they are replicating you
Prokofy Neva: or did I misunderstand?
Prokofy Neva: that's what I'd like to grasp, just what is being replicated
You: not large scale, or did I misunderstand?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: lauren/
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: ?
Prokofy Neva: sims with first land with houses on them?
Prokofy Neva: esesntially zoned sims where it is do-it-yourself-zoning until "better tools are coming in"?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: she m ust be on a potty break
Molly Montale: The houses were prim heavy. They only created a look here. Most have gotten rid of them.
Prokofy Neva: yeah people always do
Prokofy Neva: their interior is more important to them than the sculpture of the house outside
Lauren Linden: yes, we're replicating the original sims we placed for BF/WH to create more space for an upcoming test. cannot reveal details yet
Lauren Linden: that should be the last test, as we are moving quickly to allow residents to take on projects like these
VzNevada Menoptra: will
Prokofy Neva: ok so that's like p2p and telehubs, a word to the wise is sufficient
VzNevada Menoptra: BF ever have water views or is that a way off question?
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: look at my pool Nevada
VzNevada Menoptra: rofl
Lauren Linden: I don't know. I'll look into that.
Prokofy Neva: Well, I don't know if it is worth mentioning againg, Lauren, but residents *already have these* and *already do it* even without the tools
Prokofy Neva: and no one is persuaded yet that the fixing up of the tools will 1) go in the right direction to protect founders' rights in a group or 2) be done any time soon
Molly Montale: empty sims to the east and west of here. Will those spots be these next areas that you speak of?
You: that is almost the hour I allowed..
You: and I will have to leave soon
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: yes ive reached my sit limit too
You: so any last questions?
Komarg Axon: yes
Lauren Linden: I'm not sure what will be placed around BF/WH. That's up to the Content & Land team. I will look into it
You: apologies prok for cutting you off, but Its midnight here
VzNevada Menoptra: oh gee Patch
VzNevada Menoptra: so sorry to keep you up
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: thank you lauren, this is great news
Perri Turner: thank you Lauren
Brigham Kamloops: Thank you very much Lauren, Patch, everyone.
VzNevada Menoptra: Lauren thank you for your help
Perri Turner: thank you Patch
Komarg Axon: There's a specific plot that I MAY be interested in (not 100% sure yet), can I e-mail Lauren to put a hold on that plot for a week or so until I get advice from my frieds?
Lauren Linden: I'm glad to help. We really appreciate your patience with these projects.
Lauren Linden: Yes!
Prokofy Neva: Lauren, I need to make sure that Governor Linden-seized land in Jauanita goes to me on the auction, can you put the fix in?
Komarg Axon: Great - thanks! And thanks for coming by today.
Prokofy Neva: ktx!
You: thanks you all for coming!
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: thanks patch great job
VzNevada Menoptra: Thank you Patch for organizing this
Lauren Linden: Thank you!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: thank you indeed : )
Komarg Axon: Thanks Patch for getting this meeting together.
Jeannedellalune Prudhomme: anybody want to swim the pool is open
Brigham Kamloops: And just so everyone knows... my lot will be for sale on Feb 20... prime real estate in the center of Blumfield!
Lauren Linden: Okay, go to the house you want & offer me a TP if you want land
You: if I can just ask gwyn one quick thing...
Findal Bertone: Thanks Lauren : ) now I need to know what to do if I want to buy some extra land
Gwyneth Llewelyn: sure, patch....
VzNevada Menoptra: I have to leave for a while...Molly I'll talk to you later : - )
Lauren Linden: I will be in SL for another 30 minutes.
VzNevada Menoptra: thank you everyone
You: its what does she use to colour code the chat log : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: see you, lauren!
You: thanks all for coming!
Lauren Linden: Bye!

As am I. Good luck Blumfieldiens! Sounds like you already have a good group happening which is a very, very good start.

Hehe...I don't begrudge anyone for being able to take advantage of an advanced land sale. I am a resident of Blumfield and I'm on the sale ))))))))))))))) I hope it stays pretty much residential, as it's a wonderful place to live presently.