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Garnet Psaltery

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12-23-2005 17:06

I noticed a 256 m2 plot for sale in Zermatt on the edge of the Winter Festival plots. It's advertised as supporting 290 prims, but surely this was just a feature of the festival? Are these plots supposed to be sold anyway?

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Osprey Therian

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12-23-2005 17:14

Oh, lord

Some people are just...

Perhaps it was placed on sale by mistake or there is another explanation. I shouldn't jump to conclusions since I didn't see it myself.

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Nathan Stewart

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12-23-2005 17:59

This land will be taken back by linden at the end of the festival, whoever is selling is going to get in alot of trouble

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Divad Wheeling

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12-24-2005 10:26

hmmmm....and i went and bought the parcel in question...guess that was like throwing $1000L out the window,huh? LOL

Frank Lardner

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Who's in trouble? Seller or buyer

12-24-2005 10:52

I thought the motto of SL was "Buyer Beware."

Sounds like this is a good example.

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Divad Wheeling

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12-25-2005 03:37

yes,true,but how often does a person see a plot of land for sell to "anyone", then buy it, only to have it taken away later?? i had not been playing much recently until the last few days, so i had no knowledge of the winter festival other than seeing it mentioned briefly a couple times. the plot was empty and surrounding plots were owned by people in game,so what is a person to think? i own land in Sistiana with 2x prim limit and it is very rare and valuable,and the plot in Zermatt is 5x prims, so i think a better motto might be "if it seems to good to be true,it probably is". in my opinion,this shouldnt even be allowed to have happened. its really no big deal to me,but just think if this was to happen to a very new player...what would they think, after spending almost half their $L(assuming they upgraded to premium) on what seemed to be land for sale just like the thousands of other plots they've seen for sale? with all the resourses and features in SL, how hard would it be for the Lindens to have it worked so that any land that is "temporarily" loaned,leased, or whatever, to ONLY be sold back to a Linden?

Finn Jensen

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Join date: 5 Jul 2004

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12-25-2005 04:44

I have done that; bought land not meant to be for sale in first place. One time in Zermatt. The land was taken away from me; I talked to a Linden and they said I could ask to be refunded, but since the land in question had been public I had only spend 512L so I let it be.

Lindens clearly have a policy that when one claim public land one owns it, however, it seems like if a Linden has messed up, no policies apply. I think as long as Lindens act as players, same rules and guidelines should apply to them than to others. This particular place ,I had found 2500sqm public land. I was building on it. One week later I suddenly found all my unlinked objects had been returned.
When asking about this, the reply was about : A Linden had accidentaly released the land and we claimed back it a few hours later. This was not the case though, I had owned the land for a week and paid tier for it.
After a longish conversation I was refunded a minimal fee for the land, but no apologizies.

From this thing I learned:

A) Do not trust the Lindens ( since I had asked about this land from the Linden on duty and her reply was " Nobody will take that land away from you"

B) Policies and rules are followed when it suites Lindens. If a policy is made that a Linden cannot follow, it is perfectly ok to break the rule

C) Lindenlab has a bad customer service ( took back the land that was according to their policy mine, did not even bother contacting me before doing so)

In your case I would suggest you contact a Linden on duty, save the conversation on a Notecard ( just do not send it anywhere

). The Linden in question will of course most likely be clueless and ask you to write [email]support@lindenlab.com[/email].

Best would probably be trying to contact Colin Linden in game or by e-mail.

Finn Jensen

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Join date: 5 Jul 2004

Posts: 140

12-25-2005 04:48

There is a possibility to set it so that land transfers are not allowed. They use this in their attempt of zoned sims. I do not understand why they cannot use this in other sims not meant to be sold to other players than to those who the land has temporary been given.
Mistakes like this seems to happen each time they have some festivales; would be so simple to avoid it, maybe its just ignorance on their behalf.

Dianne Mechanique

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12-25-2005 04:52

From: finn Jensen

I have done that; bought land not meant to be for sale in first place. One time in Zermatt. The land was taken away from me; I talked to a Linden and they said I could ask to be refunded, but since the land in question had been public I had only spend 512L so I let it be.

Lindens clearly have a policy that when one claim public land one owns it, however, it seems like if a Linden has messed up, no policies apply. I think as long as Lindens act as players, same rules and guidelines should apply to them than to others. This particular place ,I had found 2500sqm public land. I was building on it. One week later I suddenly found all my unlinked objects had been returned.
When asking about this, the reply was about : A Linden had accidentaly released the land and we claimed back it a few hours later. This was not the case though, I had owned the land for a week and paid tier for it.
After a longish conversation I was refunded a minimal fee for the land, but no apologizies.

From this thing I learned:

A) Do not trust the Lindens ( since I had asked about this land from the Linden on duty and her reply was " Nobody will take that land away from you"

B) Policies and rules are followed when it suites Lindens. If a policy is made that a Linden cannot follow, it is perfectly ok to break the rule

C) Lindenlab has a bad customer service ( took back the land that was according to their policy mine, did not even bother contacting me before doing so)

In your case I would suggest you contact a Linden on duty, save the conversation on a Notecard ( just do not send it anywhere

). The Linden in question will of course most likely be clueless and ask you to write [email]support@lindenlab.com[/email].

Best would probably be trying to contact Colin Linden in game or by e-mail.

What a lovely discussion to wake up to on Christmas morning!

Happy Christmas to all of you, and please havea drink (or several).

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Divad Wheeling

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12-25-2005 07:24

exellent advice! *pops the top on a can of Pepsi! Merry Christmas all!

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Garnet Psaltery Walking on the Moon Join date: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 913	12-23-2005 17:06 I noticed a 256 m2 plot for sale in Zermatt on the edge of the Winter Festival plots. It's advertised as supporting 290 prims, but surely this was just a feature of the festival? Are these plots supposed to be sold anyway? _____________________
Osprey Therian I want capslocklock Join date: 6 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,049	12-23-2005 17:14 Oh, lord Some people are just... Perhaps it was placed on sale by mistake or there is another explanation. I shouldn't jump to conclusions since I didn't see it myself. _____________________ http:www.atomic-raygun.com Combat Cards in Europa [url=http://slurl.com/secondlife/grignano/118/116/]The Photography Studio in Grignano[/url] Mud! Mud! Glorious mud! Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood. So, follow me, follow, down to the hollow, And there let us wallow in glorious mud. Flanders and Swan
Nathan Stewart Registered User Join date: 2 Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	12-23-2005 17:59 This land will be taken back by linden at the end of the festival, whoever is selling is going to get in alot of trouble _____________________
Divad Wheeling Registered User Join date: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 8	12-24-2005 10:26 hmmmm....and i went and bought the parcel in question...guess that was like throwing $1000L out the window,huh? LOL
Frank Lardner Cultural Explorer Join date: 30 Sep 2005 Posts: 409	Who's in trouble? Seller or buyer 12-24-2005 10:52 I thought the motto of SL was "Buyer Beware." Sounds like this is a good example. _____________________ Frank Lardner * Join the "Law Society of Second Life" -- dedicated to the objective study and discussion of SL ways of governance, contracting and dispute resolution. * Group Forum at: this link.
Divad Wheeling Registered User Join date: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 8	12-25-2005 03:37 yes,true,but how often does a person see a plot of land for sell to "anyone", then buy it, only to have it taken away later?? i had not been playing much recently until the last few days, so i had no knowledge of the winter festival other than seeing it mentioned briefly a couple times. the plot was empty and surrounding plots were owned by people in game,so what is a person to think? i own land in Sistiana with 2x prim limit and it is very rare and valuable,and the plot in Zermatt is 5x prims, so i think a better motto might be "if it seems to good to be true,it probably is". in my opinion,this shouldnt even be allowed to have happened. its really no big deal to me,but just think if this was to happen to a very new player...what would they think, after spending almost half their $L(assuming they upgraded to premium) on what seemed to be land for sale just like the thousands of other plots they've seen for sale? with all the resourses and features in SL, how hard would it be for the Lindens to have it worked so that any land that is "temporarily" loaned,leased, or whatever, to ONLY be sold back to a Linden?
Finn Jensen Registered User Join date: 5 Jul 2004 Posts: 140	12-25-2005 04:44 I have done that; bought land not meant to be for sale in first place. One time in Zermatt. The land was taken away from me; I talked to a Linden and they said I could ask to be refunded, but since the land in question had been public I had only spend 512L so I let it be. Lindens clearly have a policy that when one claim public land one owns it, however, it seems like if a Linden has messed up, no policies apply. I think as long as Lindens act as players, same rules and guidelines should apply to them than to others. This particular place ,I had found 2500sqm public land. I was building on it. One week later I suddenly found all my unlinked objects had been returned. When asking about this, the reply was about : A Linden had accidentaly released the land and we claimed back it a few hours later. This was not the case though, I had owned the land for a week and paid tier for it. After a longish conversation I was refunded a minimal fee for the land, but no apologizies. From this thing I learned: A) Do not trust the Lindens ( since I had asked about this land from the Linden on duty and her reply was " Nobody will take that land away from you" B) Policies and rules are followed when it suites Lindens. If a policy is made that a Linden cannot follow, it is perfectly ok to break the rule C) Lindenlab has a bad customer service ( took back the land that was according to their policy mine, did not even bother contacting me before doing so) In your case I would suggest you contact a Linden on duty, save the conversation on a Notecard ( just do not send it anywhere ). The Linden in question will of course most likely be clueless and ask you to write [email]support@lindenlab.com[/email]. Best would probably be trying to contact Colin Linden in game or by e-mail.
Finn Jensen Registered User Join date: 5 Jul 2004 Posts: 140	12-25-2005 04:48 There is a possibility to set it so that land transfers are not allowed. They use this in their attempt of zoned sims. I do not understand why they cannot use this in other sims not meant to be sold to other players than to those who the land has temporary been given. Mistakes like this seems to happen each time they have some festivales; would be so simple to avoid it, maybe its just ignorance on their behalf.
Dianne Mechanique Back from the Dead Join date: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2,648	12-25-2005 04:52 From: finn Jensen I have done that; bought land not meant to be for sale in first place. One time in Zermatt. The land was taken away from me; I talked to a Linden and they said I could ask to be refunded, but since the land in question had been public I had only spend 512L so I let it be. Lindens clearly have a policy that when one claim public land one owns it, however, it seems like if a Linden has messed up, no policies apply. I think as long as Lindens act as players, same rules and guidelines should apply to them than to others. This particular place ,I had found 2500sqm public land. I was building on it. One week later I suddenly found all my unlinked objects had been returned. When asking about this, the reply was about : A Linden had accidentaly released the land and we claimed back it a few hours later. This was not the case though, I had owned the land for a week and paid tier for it. After a longish conversation I was refunded a minimal fee for the land, but no apologizies. From this thing I learned: A) Do not trust the Lindens ( since I had asked about this land from the Linden on duty and her reply was " Nobody will take that land away from you" B) Policies and rules are followed when it suites Lindens. If a policy is made that a Linden cannot follow, it is perfectly ok to break the rule C) Lindenlab has a bad customer service ( took back the land that was according to their policy mine, did not even bother contacting me before doing so) In your case I would suggest you contact a Linden on duty, save the conversation on a Notecard ( just do not send it anywhere ). The Linden in question will of course most likely be clueless and ask you to write [email]support@lindenlab.com[/email]. Best would probably be trying to contact Colin Linden in game or by e-mail. What a lovely discussion to wake up to on Christmas morning! Happy Christmas to all of you, and please havea drink (or several). _____________________ . black art furniture & classic clothing =================== Black in Neufreistadt Black @ ONE Black @ www.SLBoutique.com .
Divad Wheeling Registered User Join date: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 8	12-25-2005 07:24 exellent advice! *pops the top on a can of Pepsi! Merry Christmas all!
cinda Hoodoo my 2cents worth Join date: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Drinking & Lindens 12-26-2005 02:02 "Happy Christmas to all of you, and please havea drink (or several)." Yes the Lindens have driven me to drink on several occasions ...smirk