Selling objects with land

I'm trying to sell a parcel and include a house on it. Has anyone done this yet? Does it work with group-owned land? I haven't had much luck in testing it. I made a 16x16 parcel with a cube on it, and had someone buy it. The cube did not transfer no matter what I did with it (owned it myself, deeded it to group). And it did not highlight when I clicked the "show objects" button on About Land.

I've written about this in other threads, and also sent bug reports and memos to the Lindens.

Not enough is known about this new function.

And on group-owned land, deeding an object to the group, making it an amorphous "group owned object" with no single ownership, then removing it from the lot, makes it DISAPPEAR.

Yes, DISAPPEAR.

Poof. Gone.

It doesn't no where to return to when you move it, I guess. It happens when you blow prims off the land in return, and you're now telling me it happens during sales too.

I hear certain know-it-alls now smugly telling us that we should have "shown up at the preview and filed bug reports, hmmm." Um, why am I in an eternal beta test at *these* prices?

If you ballyhoo a function like selling land with objects, shouldn't you test it a bit more? Why rely on unpaid beta testers?

This is a pretty important function -- can real estate agents who are often in groups sell land with objects on them? Guess not. I wouldn't risk it. Sales distribute to all the officers and members of the group then, PS, so that's another drawback. I will try doing it just as an individual owner and see what happens.

I'm also worried about what happens if I have an individually-owned land, which a house on it, and I try to buy that land and house as a group buyer. Will it ask me to deed to the group at some point? Or what?

The group features in SL are horribly broken or limited in ways enough to be useless. This is particularly true of group deeded objects.

Prokofy is correct that groups do not have inventories, so any group-deeded object that is returned is deleted, though you're only notified of this fact when returning a group deeded object manually.

My experience with testing group-deeded objects is that they have terrible time keeping their permissions straight. You might need to turn on "share with group" before you deed the object, and be aware that the object you deed in this way will likely end up with transferable perms for the remainder of its life.

Really?


Perhaps that's why it is there.


Have you tried rezing a copy of it, and setting the permissions for the copy?

Nashville,

Several of us have tested this bug in the group functions, and the Lindens concede that it is a problem, and I'm not sure why you continue to doubt it, but it's the attitude I often find in tekkies who simply discount even field-tested obvious experience from users -- it's the automatic "blame the user" default and I"m having none of it here.

The objects were first clicked off to share with group, then deeded -- you cannot deed unless you first click off "share," duh, so there's no need for snarky comments like "perhaps that's why it's there?". And permissions were tried in various ways, but it makes no difference. The problems like in the "deed to group" function when the object is removed from the lot, full stop. Try it yourself in a land group, using a prim and 16M square of land to return it from. Oh, you don't have a land group with at least 3 people in it and at least 16M land in it? Well, then could you shut up?




My point stands: why rely on unpaid beta testers?

It's not a point about the value of unpaid beta testers. It's a point about how you cannot rely on them. I've been a beta tester in games myself.

The problem is a culture here that starts screaming "why didn't you test this when it was in beta" to anybody who complains about it now, or screams "didn't you do X, Y, Z" when someone says "this didn't work". There are any number of smug, snarky comments now to anyone complaining saying, "Did you test that? Did you go into the preview and test that and report it to the Lindens?"

So I'm here to say, duh, yes. In fact, this disappearance of deeded objects is an old problem that preceded 1.6, and didn't get better in 1.6

And I don't believe that a much-bally-hooed feature like selling land with objects should only rely on beta testers, or loyal fanz who go in the preview grid. The company should think a little bit about groups and group land. They haven't done very much thinking about it. They don't appear to be very motivated to think about it. They concede in conversations that they haven't thought about it, and never really conceived of the dual use of land/sales/rents with the group function -- groups were something different when they first created them in SL.

I know there are bugs with group stuff, but did LL just release a new feature that completely does not work at all? Has anyone gotten this to work? Maybe this post belongs in technical issues if it's just me.

It seems like it would be a pretty big feature, especially for land sellers, and could help give the land development industry a kick in the right direction. I'm surprised I haven't heard much about it.

It's an example of somebody somewhere thinking they are doing a big favor for somebody, but they aren't, and they haven't been humble enough to get feedback on it.

I am very motivated to sell land with houses on it, but I am very gun-shy of this new feature.

What I'm saying is that trying to sell it when the owner is a group is buggy and fraught with problems.

Maybe selling it as an individual then will work OK. I have to test it.

But then I wonder if a group can buy that plot with a house from an individual and what happens once it becomes a "group object".