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What are we allowed to talk about with respect to Ginko?

blaze Spinnaker
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12-01-2005 11:55
Does anyone know?

Or is Ginko just a banned topic in these forums?
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Kevn Klein
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12-01-2005 12:02
From: blaze Spinnaker
Does anyone know?

Or is Ginko just a banned topic in these forums?


I don't think we can have a group or person's name in the title/topic. And the discussion can't be centered on a person or group.
blaze Spinnaker
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12-01-2005 12:04
I've seen threads that don't mention "Ginko" at all and they get closed.

It seems like anything to do with Ginko is going to be closed here.

This makes it very hard for the community to regulate what goes on in SL.

I really wish LL would come out an and try to reassure us as to why they are not concerned as many other people are.

What a surreal situation. The players here are acting immensely irrational.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Khamon Fate
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12-01-2005 13:31
Let's not talk about Ginko at all. I have a new Swamp Tree for sale at Fate Gardens in Taber oh wait that's advertising. Okay Jarod told me other day that he was going to start oh wait that's talking about people. When html on a prim is fully implemented I think that oh wait that's old news and been talked to death.

Hm okay HAIR HAIR HAIR BLING BLING GUNS SLINGO HAIR HAIR MALL ZOOM VAROOM HAIR BLING HAIR HAIR SHOES1111111

Maybe we should just not talk about anything.
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Aurael Neurocam
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12-01-2005 13:42
I, for one, believe that when certain institutions in SL get big enough, that the "no names" statute shouldn't apply.

Having said that, the "Ginko Crashing" thread turned in to name calling about halfway down the page... I wouldn't have said that the original poster was trolling, but there were certainly a few of them later in the thread.

Having said that, I sincerely hope that we are allowed to have serious discussions about institutions like Ginko, which clearly need to be discussed. Any SL business that solicits player contributions and has a significant number of players investing in it definitely needs to be able to be talked about openly.
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Hank Ramos
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12-01-2005 13:52
The first rule of Ginko is not to talk about Ginko. :D


Sorry, had to be said! hehe
Clinton Oddfellow
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12-01-2005 14:57
Since the previous thread was locked, I was unable to provide an answer to the person who was wondering aobut the linden "cents"

Ginko Financial's internal system has a "cents" column for linden dollars, so we can pay accurate interest on accounts, over time, the "cents" round off up to dollars, and can be used.

The cents system is completely internal to Ginko Financial, and is for accurate record keeping only.

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Travis Bjornson
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12-01-2005 15:35
Ginko is just fine as a topic of discussion. Legitimate business and financial concerns are fine too. What seems to get threads closed is the unfounded accusations directed at people or groups.

From: someone
I really wish LL would come out an and try to reassure us as to why they are not concerned

Blaze, I haven't seen anyone present real evidence as to why there should be any concern about Ginko, or for that matter, the L$ exchange market.

Actually, I take that back. The only thing that concerns me is Anshe's vow to crush Ginko, as she obviously knows nothing about running an investment fund.

Here's an analogy. How about if I vow to crash SL to prove that it has bugs? If I am successful, what does that prove? Only that I was able to crash SL. It doesn't prove that SL ever would have crashed on its own.
Desmond Shang
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12-01-2005 16:00
It would have been interesting to see if Anshe would take me up on my $L 1 bet in the other thread (maybe she still will).

But likely any thread directly speculating about the imminent demise of a business will be locked.

We are bound by service terms to accept this, so... there you are.

I don't particularly have a problem with that. What will be, will be, and forum discussion rarely translates to change, anyway.
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Travis Bjornson
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12-01-2005 16:37
From: someone
forum discussion rarely translates to change, anyway

Again, baseless accusations and bickering rarely translate to change.

From: someone
if Anshe would take me up on my $L 1 bet

I'll make a L$1000 bet that Ginko will still be paying out on Dec 31, 2006, albeit at a lower interest rate.
blaze Spinnaker
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12-01-2005 20:11
From: Travis Bjornson
Blaze, I haven't seen anyone present real evidence as to why there should be any concern about Ginko, or for that matter, the L$ exchange market.


I guess I've been up close and personal who have been struck by fraud and that's why my spidey senses are a bit more tingly here. But there is absolutely every reason to be concerned. It would be terrbily naive to think otherwise.

The only reason, I think there is not to be concerned is that LL is so rigorously defending them.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Kazuo Murakami
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12-01-2005 22:38
From: Hank Ramos
The first rule of Ginko is not to talk about Ginko. :D


Sorry, had to be said! hehe


Is the second rule of Ginko not to give money to Ginko?


From: some nicholas alt
Ginko is just fine as a topic of discussion. Legitimate business and financial concerns are fine too.


I'm glad that you can see that Ginko and legitimate business are two seperate topics.
Nolan Nash
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12-02-2005 00:39
Wouldn't this question do a lot better in Hotline?

I mean, really, asking the public what we can and cannot do on these forums is sort of bizarre.
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-02-2005 00:53
From: Nolan Nash
Wouldn't this question do a lot better in Hotline?

I mean, really, asking the public what we can and cannot do on these forums is sort of bizarre.


Yeah, cause, you know, asking questions in the Hotline is so productive.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Nolan Nash
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12-02-2005 00:58
From: blaze Spinnaker
Yeah, cause, you know, asking questions in the Hotline is so productive.

Well, gee, you don't like it when you think other players are making the rules right?
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12-02-2005 06:14
From: Kazuo Murakami
I'm glad that you can see that Ginko and legitimate business are two seperate topics.


Not at all. Ginko is a legitimate business opportunity, that is inherently risky and has potential for drastic ups and downs. Much like politics or the stock market.
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Vince Wolfe
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12-02-2005 06:28
From: Nolan Nash
Wouldn't this question do a lot better in Hotline?



Sure, the Lindens can ignore it there as well
Travis Bjornson
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12-02-2005 08:30
From: someone
Ginko is just fine as a topic of discussion. Legitimate business and financial concerns are fine too.

Kazuo, I meant "legitimate concerns about business and finance".

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Kazuo Murakami
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12-02-2005 14:23
I meant sarcasm.
Malachi Petunia
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What are we allowed to talk about with respect to Ginko?
12-02-2005 21:21
My guess would be: umm... not the crap that got you closed down for trolling, Champ. Just possibly?
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