Group land ownership/taxes and membership

Here is an idea. It has probably been voiced before but here goes:

Make it possible for Groups to buy land. Maybe when you buy land have it ask if this is for yourself or a group and if for a group, let you select which group (for officers only).

The Taxes for this group land is then the responsability of the group.

How are the taxes paid? The officers for the group decide a % of tax paid by Officers, Members and Junior Members (yes add Junior member for new members and flexability). This would then be added to the taxes of the groups players.

I would also suggest that the Group Tax % setup screen shows the % per player in that membership catagory (ie. Officers, members, Junior Members) to help Officers see how much each member etc. would pay. Maybe a % each shown for the % they put in.

I will give an example for clarity:

Total group tax for land is $2000 and it is decided that Officers will pay 20%, Members 68% and Junior Members 12% of the total tax.

There are 4 Officers who would pay 5% each (total 20%) adding $100 each and total $400

There are 17 Members who would pay 4% each (total 68%) adding $80 each and total $1360

There are 6 Junior Members who would pay 2% each (total 12%) adding $40 each and total $240

The taxe rate must be able to be changed at least once a week, maybe once a day by an officer.

This could help out groups a lot. Many Group officers are crippled by taxes and this could spread the load.

Comments please

I second this, and I will present more ideas on how it can be implemented later this week, I have been working on some proposals as to how to really implement group land and gov.'s.

JV

I posted this idea a few weeks(months) ago. A few people replied, but, then it fell furthur down the charts. Oh well. Thirded.

and i've been whining about it throughout many forums for months now They will get the hint sooner or later

ummm still seconded....

JV

i think something like this is a very very very good idea. it's practically a necessity for some of the stuff i want to do.

i've also been whining about this general idea for a while. i think it will help a lot of problems.

so lets all whine in unison!

OK all together now on my count.

1..2..3.. WHINE !!!!!!!!

I like your idea but...

What happens to the land when a few people in the group quit. or leave?

The way it is now when you go inactive for a time, then you land will be recycled into the system, with a group will bring more complications of keeping track of who has been in and who not, and if all leave and 2 people get stuck with all the taxes, it could kill them or you.

Then you have the deal of calculating the stiped for each person in the group more calculation on there end to endure, More prossesor cycles, with many groups doing all this would end up like the voting boths.

Did you think of every single aspect and senario and precautions that in witch you would endure?

Yeah thats a good point zypher. i don't know about the whole taxing scheme mentioned but i think that in general, group land control would have to involve some way of kicking out a person and (somehow) dealing with the land that they owned.

currently if a community had a member that they wanted to kick out, they would have a tough time doing so. so theres no real good way of enforcing the rules.

as for the specific money problem you mentioned, i won't get into it cuz i haven't really thought about it much. i'm just more concerned with how to maintain order in a community and i think that we really need some kind of group land controls in order to do so.

I will fourth it or how ever many it is now ...and throw my whine in too.....

this would help alot.....


only one thing i would like to add....instead of all officers can pick tax rate ...have one leader voted in ,and that person can pick tax rate to be voted on by all officers....

Zypher,

if the group becomes too small due to people leaving then obviously the group would have to sell off land or pay the taxes on it all.

This is not much different than it is now.... If you can't afford your land and taxes you sell some off.

I would make it so that only officers can buy and sell land for groups..

All members pay taxes.

We would also need to put in place a way to vote for officers and a president of sorts...

It really would clear so much up.... and save the themed groups...

JV

I would definately like this, as it would definately benifet the themed communities. However, a precaution must be enstated, I was thinking about perhaps having something like having to call a vote with the group before being able to purchase land in that group's name.

This needs to happen. It would help our group grow and build and expand so much faster. Plus people would be more willing to take on land. I can understand why people wouldnt want to be in a group, it's alot of financial burdon.
This tax dispersment would help us all.

And Zyph, if someone did want to leave, which happened to us not so long ago, we just buy the land from them. Which under the new rules, the taxes would then be broken up. No problems. I'm kind of confused as to why it hasn't been implemented yet, actually.

Please lindens, please! I hate whining, please don't make me whine.

Crow

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Actually crow you wouldn't have to buy the land from them, thats the whole point. The Group owns the land not individual people..

No one person owns the land, certain people have the ability to buy and sell the group land but under owner it would say for example "Americana" nobodies name.

So we wouldn't have to buy land from anyone if they left.

JV

Not sure if this idea has come up already, but I think a good way to do "group land" would be a sub-dividing system.

IE: Group A buys a 128x128 plot of land
Group A then divides the land inside that plot up into several 16x16 or such plots.

The 128x128 remains marked as "group owned" but the 16x16 sub-plot is then provisioned to the owner, with "eminent domain" control given to the group leader.

This way no manual tax management is required, the individual plot owners can get their taxes billled appropriately, and the group then gets billed for the un-provisioned plots.

Also, this allows a sub-plot owner to control aspects of his land freely, but allows the group to revoke the sub-partitioning if required by the sub-plot owner getting out of hand or such.

Interesting Idea but I think not needed really...

A group can give someone rule of part of the land without that... also that would be a lot more programming for the lindens for something that i think can just be agreed on by the groups...

but neat idea...

JV

Hi Groupies. hehe

After re-reading my original post i see I got it about right first time

If someone left the group then group officers would be able to delelte objects, if needed. Also the land would not be lost as it is owned by the group. If it proved too big for the group to handle the taxes then reclaim some of it.

It would work out real well