The end of second life?

I don't know if this the right forum to post in, but I'd like to start this as a suggestion to Second Life team, if they ever come to read around here.

We all know Second Life is draining more and more newcomers of all kinds.

We know that Second Life is a fantastic way to achieve projects where imagination has no limit.

Sadly, we also know that any facet of the human nature may be represented in it, the lightest and the darkest.

Honestly, I do not care to see people around playing sexual games even SM tricks. That is, as long as they do not do it open air. After all, it's an adult game (or supposed to be) and they is way to restrain this to areas where you do not have to go.

Anyway, I don't think this kind of thing is illegal.

But there is more.

I was visiting some area and went randomly somewhere which was neither restricted nor private.

I can only describe what I've seen as an orgia with pedophilian acts.

Beside the moral side of this, there is a legal side.

I don't really know how it is in US, but in my country, showing this kind of scene, even digitally, is a crime (I guess the US equivalent would be a federal crime).

And still in my country, any webmaster, it would be Second Life team, is legally responsible of what is published on his server, even if EULA say he's not.

So, for the sake of Second Life, some limits should be put somewhere.

This has been gone over so many times already - use the search function to find all the old threads, and see how they all ended up.

Well another typical response to a real concern a resident has. Search.........it's been hashed out before............shut up.

I can see where this thread may be posted in the "wrong" section........but, there really isn't a "right" section for someone to voice a genuine concern. The OP stated that he/she had no personal offense but was a little concerned for Linden Labs. He/she also is new.......good way to shut a newbie down. Let them know right off the bat that no one cares.

Next thing will be the thread will be closed.......or deleted. And what the OP is merely pointing out is that continued "problems" if left unchecked could very well be the end of Second Life. We are might be living on "borrowed time" here.

Envo...........you might email SL customer support with your concerns. It likely will never be acted on but at least you won't be openly rebuked by someone who just doesn't see it your way.

This is actually the concern. Linden Labs may not care about this, but sometime, they will because some prosecuter will force them to close their site due to repeated abuses.

This has been posted before? Maybe, that doesn't mean I can not raise my voice and tell Linden Labs they will face problem some day. This WILL happen for sure if nothing is done.

And this has what, exactly, to do with Feature Suggestions for the Viewer?

If you're concerned about this, there are other ways you can communicate the concern to Linden Lab.

And yes, Peggy, the issue has been beaten to death on numerous posts across numerous forums. It is perfectly reasonable to suggest that one search and learn before posting the same issue anew - this is broadly accepted forum etiquette on just about any public forum.

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I never asked the OP to shut up - just do some research and see what has gone on before. Also, this particular forum is not the proper place for this subject. So rather than the OP start the topic, it get locked/deleted, and the OP feel that no one cares, can see that people do care, but there is no forum to voice these concerns. Also, in seeing what has gone on before perhaps the OP will be able to avoid some of the problems that eariler topics suffered, and a genuine good come out of their thread.

Please, before you read motives into a very simple statement, actually stop for a minute and ask for clarification. There are people that care for what the OP is talking about, but it is not a simple black/white problem, nor is there a simple black/white answer.

Second Life is so vast with so many things going on at once that I feel it would very difficult for Linden Labs to implement a new feature that could have an effect on inappropriate behavior. However, this program already has a feature that gives you the power to stop offenders. It's called Report Abuse. You can find this feature under the Help tab on the top of the screen when you are in world. If you see offenders displaying inappropriate material anywhere in SL take a screen shot of the offenders in the act and then file an Abuse Report. Include the name of the sim and the names of the offending avatars in the Abuse Report. Perhaps you can send the screen shot to the customer support email system. (I'm not sure if they accept files, you may have to ask Help Request if there is a way to submit screen shots of misconduct.)

Let me see..........where did a state that you said for the OP to "shut up"? Something must have been deleted in my post I guess. But in a way I suppose my post would imply that I did.....and in fact I was saying that. But directly to you (I'm speaking about Kokoro's post #2 in the thread.........just so no further misunderstandings occur), your post told the OP that this is a subject that has been talked about before, you should have done your homework first, and that you were not going to offer any suggestions whatsoever. That says to me that you don't care.....but. no. you didn't say that either. How did that help? Sounded like an attempt to shut the OP up to me.

And if you will read my post (#3) you will see that I said that this forum is probably not the proper place to have this thread in the first place. But qualified that with an observation that there really isn't a good place for such a thread. There wasn't much of an assumption on my part. And what's the bull about black and white? You lost me there. I did assume you did not care.........but you effectively said that in your short, curt and somewhat rude answer. And I still assume that.......it's not black and white. I could be wrong.....but you sure haven't proved it yet.

Now..........will someone please tell me the "correct" place to voice a concern such as this? I suggested an email to support.........but we all know where that will go. And Goybot has suggested an Abuse Report.........maybe the best way I suppose. It would be nice if the AR's were acknowledged in some way though..........I might trust it a little more.

With a little imagination this could be the most proper place to place such a thread. A feature in the client that would prevent accidental arrivals in places that are offensive to the user...........a box to check in preferrences or something.

I don't know a way to "fix" this situation.........maybe if it were discussed without attempts to shut the discussion down because someone who thinks it's in the wrong place or it's old news we could find a way to solve it. Maybe if Linden Labs would respond to emails and AR's it could be solved. All I know for sure is that nothing constructive is going to happen with answers (and lack of answers) that tend to stiffle discussions.

And to be polite (though I don't want to be) I'll just say I'm finished with my posts on this thread.

you can simply take a screenshot...weapons of mass documentation exist in SL.

Send the screenshot to the lindens. If you think its illegal activity (such as child porn), take a screenshot with identities exposed. If the lindens ignore it, send it to the police.

Problem solved.

Because anyone who knows how to use alt-zoom can go into any buildng anywhere in SL at any time, and can be watching you without you knowing or seeing them, only an UTTER MORON would engage in any illegal activity in SL. They are easier to catch and trace there than anywhere on earth.

if i remember the US law that was outlawing simulated child pornography has been cancelled (or whatever the exact term is)

The US law might have been but other countries still have them. The UK is voting to create one.

This can mean that Linden Labs might be ok, but residents from those countries could be in trouble - having to shuffle around land to avoid ever seeing that kind of material. In fact, even seeing it might not be necessary; even if you have a solid wall between you and the content on Second Life, the network log (which is probably what the police will use against you) shows everything that was sent to your computer, but doesn't show where your SL camera was pointing. So it's possible you could wind up in court over a "scene" that actually happened half a sim away behind a brick wall, because you can't prove you didn't see it.

AFAIK i haven't witnessed any RL 7 year old children logging into SL to let adults have their way with them. Most the time it's 2 consensual adults role playing. This has been discussed about a million times so I'm just repeating things. Since it doesn't contain real children it isn't against the law in the US or SL would have been closed down 3 years ago. Most 7 year old boys aren't even through puberty yet so they wouldn't even know what sex is even though some mature quite early. Having said all this, i am not involved in these doings, i am stating a fact.


It's like artificial hamburger. It can sometimes taste like the real thing but it's not.

If legislation forcing sites to report simulated underage sex to the federal government goes through it may be the end of Second Life. Not because the government would shut it down for being a den of iniquity, but because LL wouldn't be able to enforce it. They don't have the manpower to stop Billy Asshat from caging people in Welcome Areas half the time. What makes you think they are going to be able to respond to every complaint of "so and so is having sex and one of them looks a little young"? They can't. Even if they tried, are you ready to give up any and all hope of assistance with any other problem? including griefers? Because that's what will happen.

Mature Sim: Adult Content. Expect explict behaviour -- There is a reason why people tag the sims Mature..

As for the legal issue.. LOL.. sorry.. there isnt one. The game is for adults and well most of the people who log in here.. are looking for the sex stuff... gasp!!

Now if you see child pornography is world.. abuse report and contact the lindens immediately. I am 100 pecent positive action would be taken in seconds.

I doubt it. It'd take a lot of work to figure out that Billy Avatar there has his appearence look like a 7 year old.

And if you're going to that much trouble you'd know what the person you were capturing data to prosecute was doing. If he's building something (network data!) he obviously isn't looking at "child" porn. If he's scripting, there'll be a flood of network data every time he saves.

While I'm not for this kind of thing, and think there should be some mention in the TOS about it, this is 2 consenting adults (signing up requires you agree that you are of age) one roleplaying a child's part. Having been an RL phone sex operator for over 11 years, I can tell you that in the US, child porn role play via phone sex is permissable, but the law is complex. If the phone sex op is independent contractor, it's usually fine. If it is a phone sex company with employees, the shit hits the fan. I've never understood why this is, but for some reason it works that way.

Anyway, the avatars doing this child porn fantasy stuff, are controlled by adults (or people that claimed they were adults by signing onto the main grid). Even if countries wanted to make it illegal, I'm not sure LL would be liable, so they probably don't give a sh#t.

According to their statistics, only 30% of current SL accounts are in the US. I think it would affect LL if people in many other countries got basically told that they couldn't use SL, or had to keep out of every Mature area, because of the risk that any time two avatars could fly in doing "child porn fantasy stuff" and then they would be liable to be arrested. (Note, arrested not charged - being arrested only requires suspicion.) It would certainly affect the perception of SL if they were seen to be defending that kind of thing by users in those countries.