Please have a set limit on auto-delete time!

The auto-delete other's objects on my land feature is really the bane of many scripted world-traveling objects. When people set their autodelete timers to incredibly low values, many harmless, benign things get deleted instantiously if they unluckily wander on someone's land with this feature active.

I propose a limit on the land autodelete feature, perhaps, 5 to 10 minutes? It would greatly increase the stability of scripted objects traversing the world, since they dont stay on any given parcel for more then a few minutes.

Also, as a secondary request, pertaining to this one:

I've heard many stories where people riding a vehicle or other moving object get their object deleted by the owner of the parcel of land under the vehicle.

I propose, that the owner not get deleting rights to an object on his/her land, unless the object has stayed longer then x amount of minutes on the parcel. That way, moving objects can safely traverse a parcel, and the owner of the parcel can still delete objects that others leave behind.

==Chris

YAY! Yes yes yes pleaaaaaaase Lindens, PLEAAAASE!


Oh. Wait... But if you DO do this (and you should) give scripters the ability to trigger an auto-delete on a parcel of land they own (if they don't have one already) through a script, so that if they've got a device that occasionally needs prims, they can get rid of unnecessary ones.

Can you throw this change in with the more specalized prim deletion stuff I'm sure you're working on (with the 'whitelist' stuff and the 'delete only this user' thing?)

Also, regarding similar issues with vehicles... why does my airplane stop when someone else right-clicks it? That's really, really annoying.

Oh, and I fully endorse this product and/or service.

And while you're at it, add some way for scripts to find the auto-delete time for a piece of land. That way, my birds can figure out when it's time to stop circling and move on.

I like carnildos idea - llSecsTilDelete(vector pos); It can return -1 for parcels with no autodelete enabled.

I just wish the delete delay time was based on each individual object's total time on that land, instead of a land-based timer that deletes them all every X minutes... Something taken out of your inventory on a plot just before the timer goes off doesn't last long enough to full rez, even.

...Or IS it actually on a prim-per-prim basis, and I've just been unlucky to find plots with very short delete timers?

I also support this feature; fix the minimum autodelete time to be a reasonable value.

The most fascinating aspect of SL to me is the ability to create 'free roaming' scripted content for the game. At the very least, allow objects to continue to run their scripts and give them time to move out of the neighborhood.

Of course I think all of SL should be build/script friendly, but I understand some residents desire to control what occurs on their land. I also believe all of SL should be 'unsafe', with a UI toggle to switch between PvP mode and non-PvP mode at any time; it seems restrictive to force PvP only in certain sims.

--Riptide

This is a great idea.

P.S. DON'T allow people to delete other's objects on their own land. Allow them to RETURN them.

I somewhat agree, I would say set it low though 1-5 seconds, because that should allow scripts that are legit to get off of the land fast enough and not allow greifing objects to stay.

Of course we also need someway for scripts to tell when auto delete is on.

I don't know about the RETURN only option, I think its more just people not knowing when Return should be used and when Delete should be. A nice bike = Return. An empty cube (no script, no texture, just a cube) = Delete. There are times where Returning a bunch of plain cubes would just cause spam. But I do agree in the aspect if people don't learn that Delete means GONE FOREVER, then yeah take it away.

Tiger, in doing a test with auto-delete it was odd, it went as this...

Place object A down, wait 5 seconds, deleted. Place Object B down wait 3 seconds, place Object C down, Object B deleted at/around 5 seconds, Object C deleted a little after (but under 5 seconds).

So the timer isn't exactly accurate it seems, but it seems its supposed to work on a Delete All Objects Every X basis rather than a per-prim. How it actualy works is varrying though.

So a function to detect auto-delete would be very usefull.

I think you should only be able to return objects because this will prevent malicious deleting.

I dislike the idea of an imposed limit immensely.

If someone decides to come on my land with a gatling gun and rez 50000 bullets, I don't want to wait 10 minutes for them to clear out, I want them gone.

Simple solution is avoid land that isn't safe for your global whatevers.

I agree however currently it is impossible to do so.

No argument here, I agree there should be script calls in place for this, but enforcing limits on the autodelete isn't the way to go about it.

Does scriptdanger or whatever detect autodel land?

Still, even with the imposed limit on auto-delete, you can return other's objects to their owners manually, by using the About Land -> Objects dialog, and clicking return objects owned by others.

It would be the same functionality as auto-delete, save that you could do it immediately, and would have to do it manually.

Auto-delete sucks, because it is a virtually immediate thing (no minimum limit) and its automatic, there's no human there to determine if the object is a simple, completely benign, globally moving seagull, or a griefer rezzing 50k bullets.

==Chris

I'd love to, but there's no mechanism for doing so. Further, there needs to be a minimum: it takes at least one second, and more often five to ten seconds, for my birds to simply recognize danger; that's what I've got the various lookaheads set for. Further, depending on the state of the physics engine, it takes another ten to fifteen seconds to do an about-face and get off the land. I figure a minimum of two minutes should be sufficient for my birds.

What about something that detects dangerous land before the object is over it?

Something like llSensor that scans the surrounding area for dangerous land and returns the position of maybe the center of the land or the nearest edge to the object?

Not sure if thats at all possible, but it would solve a great deal of things if we could see dangerous land before above it, then you can have plenty of time to adjust your script accordingly.

Heck, it'd solve problems if we could see dangerous land, AND sim edges, AND off-world areas before we came across 'em.

You can manage sim edges and off-world areas already. For a sim edge, you just check your coordinates and project where you'll be at the time you're interested in. For off-world areas, there's an LSL function to see if going in a given direction will leave the world, or if it crosses into another sim.

There could still be a minimum on auto delete and no minimum on manual delete. Personally I wish there was an auto return option.