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Combine openoffice with opensl

SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-14-2007 21:14
Merge openoffice with opensl and seamonkey (formerly the mozilla suite) and a source code svn. And maybe Gimp and Inkspot and an open source 3D cad program too.

Just right click an av to send them word processor files, spreadsheets, etc.

See parcel, object, group, avatar, and other data received from the servers in database and spreadsheet views.

Do complex searches, sorts, filters, etc. on all the group, parcel, avatar, sim, etc. data.

See your inventory as a spreadsheet or database, save a copy to your hard drive so you'll have the keys and path if something gets lost.

Have trouble spelling or had one too many? Spell check your ODF notecard before you pass it along.

Want to put some text you have in notecards on you web page? Drag notecard into seamonkey composer, click publish.

Send email to an av with a right click, read it in the seamonkey Thunderbird email program.

Working on scripts for a group project? Use the LSL SVN.

With the "slYouView" plugin, folks can view SL from any browser, with view only ability, at locations and with camera angles set by property owners. Give your potential customers a live 3D view of your product or place of business.

The object viewer integrated into the seamonkey browser and editor lets you drag your furry or giant mech avatar, along with appropriate shape, skins and animations, into a webpage and give the viewer a zoomable, turnable view of your product.
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02-14-2007 22:29
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Vincent Nacon
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02-15-2007 03:46
Sue... you're out of your mind.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-15-2007 06:22
From: Vincent Nacon
Sue... you're out of your mind.

No, the people who changed the name mozilla to seamonkey are the one's who are out of their minds.
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Felix Duesenburg
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02-15-2007 06:34
No, she certainly isn't out of her mind! I'm not exactly sure how much effort this would require, but if anyone has the potential to go this way then it's the open source community, probably with some support from big names who see the benefits.

Think of the possible applications for business users. Conferencing software is already doing that, take a look at HotConference or Macromedia Breeze, for instance. If you're in a conference, you want to share office documents, presentations, have a scribble pad to develop quick drawings, etc. Since some big names are already using SL for holding conferences, this would be a tremendous enhancement. Did I forget to mention audio/video streaming (VideoLan, IceCast... already there, just to be somehow integrated in SL menus)?
Stephen Zenith
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02-15-2007 06:50
No, daft idea. If you want to use an office suit (mail client, graphics package...), run it separately, it's not difficult.
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02-15-2007 07:08
keep dreaming :)

Many dreams come true, just usually not right away. And often they don't turn out as expected. In any case, keep on dreaming, it's the stuff of the future.
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Doens't need to *integrate* any specific apps into SL.
02-15-2007 13:34
This requires two things. First, a way to project your desktop into SL. Second, a way to pass information around.

The way to do the first is to allow you to composite the windows of other applications on your PC onto locally-visible texture keys you can apply to a prim face, the way that Quicktime works, then convert clicking and dragging on the face of the prim into mouse-clicks for the application. Finally, there would be a way to zoom the application into the regular UI for more detailed control, with typing going straight to the application as if it was running in a normal window. Closing that window wouldn't close the app, it'd just leave it running on the prim surface. This wouldn't cause any privacy problems... other people would simply see the unmapped textures, the same ones you'd see when you don't have that application running.

This would be trivial in Linux (you'd simply make SL your Window Manager in X11) and not that hard on the Mac. I don't know about Windows.

For the second, you'd need to have a similar mapping for files to UUIDs of a new in-world object type. You'd have two variants of this object - one for files, stored on your computer, and one for a clipping, stored as an asset in SL's servers (for L$10). This mapping would be maintained by your local client, and would let you "give" someone a file by giving them the object. When they receive it, they'd get a download dialog for the file, or they'd be able to paste a clipping into an app by dragging it onto that app's prim face in their own browser.

Finally, bells and whistles. You'd have a pie menu option to upload the current screenshot of the app as a replacement for that application texture (for L$10), or as a clipping.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-17-2007 02:39
I wonder what the new features of the secondlife.com website will be?

The new features mentioned in http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/02/16/were-developing-mysecondlifecomyour-feedback-needed/ .

Also wonder if the inclient mozilla browser will be made to work properly with all the features of the secondlife.com site.
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Warda Kawabata
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02-17-2007 02:53
From: Stephen Zenith
No, daft idea. If you want to use an office suit (mail client, graphics package...), run it separately, it's not difficult.


Once upon a time, people thought it was a daft idea to boot up a computer in order to run a spreadsheet. After all, you have a perfectly fine paper and pencil on your desk right there...

Global market peaks at 6 computers!

640kb of ram enough for anyone!
SuezanneC Baskerville
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ODF on a prim. Prims and avatars in ODF.
02-17-2007 12:19
ODF on a prim. Prims and avatars in ODF.
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Yiffy Yaffle
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02-17-2007 20:02
This feature Suggestion is hereby rewarded The Sealed Document of Approval! o.o Which you can download to your avatar via a PDF once it's integrated. :p
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-17-2007 20:30
When you choose to view your transaction history inworld, it could appear inworld in an open office spreadsheet or database.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-17-2007 22:10
Landowners should get to use screens like this one to run their operations with.
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Vincent Nacon
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02-18-2007 03:55
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
No, the people who changed the name mozilla to seamonkey are the one's who are out of their minds.


Wasn't saying it's a bad idea. ;)

but yeah, you're still out of your mind, coming up with crazy ideas for Linden Labs to add in more and more buggy system features.... not hard to imagine that.


From: Warda
Once upon a time, people thought it was a daft idea to boot up a computer in order to run a spreadsheet. After all, you have a perfectly fine paper and pencil on your desk right there...

..and paper clips.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-18-2007 21:56
From: Vincent Nacon
...and paper clips.
It's ok to mention Clippie, the animated paperclip help assistant, here in the Feature Suggestions forum, but for the love of god, please don't bring this subject up anywhere the SL interface design team or any other Linden staff members might see it.

:p
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Reece Gunawan
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02-18-2007 22:46
Another great idea :) I literally come to this forum just to read your ideas :) I can only imagine the potential something like this could have... It really would make SL the future WWW!
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02-18-2007 23:55
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
It's ok to mention Clippie, the animated paperclip help assistant


And Bob! Can't forget Bob, now can we?
(No one remembers Bob? He's from the same failed application Windows Add-on that Clippie and that bloody dog (Fetch?) are from).
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02-19-2007 12:36
I still think that integrating apps with SL is the wrong approach.

Integrate the whole desktop with SL, the way I suggested, and you never have to leave SL to do anything. ;)
SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-19-2007 14:06
Google news offered this story about AMD purchasing some Second Life land:


[QUOTE]Chip manufacturer AMD has become the latest high tech vendor to latch on to the fast growing phenomenon of setting of shop in the cyber fantasy world created by Linden Lab known as Second Life. AMD intends to use Second Life as virtual meeting place to better connect with developers and to help them network with each other.[/QUOTE]

When the developers get together to in SL to meet with the AMD personnel, will they be able to open up a folder of product spec sheets stored in PDF format and give them to the avatars around them by dragging the file over to the avatar? No, they won't. Should they be able to? Of course they ought to, it would be efficient if they could do things like that.

If you were a company considering which of two virtual worlds to use as a communications system, which one would you use, the one that facilitated the exchange of information one already has and will be continuing to create in widely used file formats, or one where you can only exchange proprietary versions of text files and proprietary formatted objects?
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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03-13-2007 08:35
From: someone
PALO ALTO, Calif. --(Business Wire)-- Qwaq, Inc., the creators of virtual spaces for the enterprise, today announced Qwaq Forums, the world's only secure virtual workspace application. Qwaq Forums significantly enhances the productivity of distributed teams by bringing critical resources together in a virtual place, as if they were in an actual physical location, and providing them with all the tools and collaboration capabilities they need to work more effectively together. With Qwaq Forums, users can work together to establish workflow steps, create or review information in software applications, and evaluate designs in 2D and 3D, all while discussing topics using built-in text and voice chat. Further enhancing employee productivity, Qwaq Forums virtual workspaces are always available so users can return to a forum at another time to access and view changes that have occurred since they last visited the virtual space.

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"Qwaq Forums is the first of several applications we're building to provide enterprises with virtual spaces for real work," said Greg Nuyens, Qwaq's CEO. "We've received a fantastic response to the Qwaq Forums deployments in the energy market and by distributed industrial research teams. The virtual workspaces are allowing critical resources to collaborate more frequently and achieve better results."

Qwaq Forums is easy to set up, use and navigate. Users can "drag-and-drop" content into a workspace from desktop and laptop computers, corporate servers or other locations. Information can be created, edited or reviewed using Microsoft Office and other productivity tools; corporate applications such as SAP, Oracle, or Salesforce.com; design and 3D modeling tools; web browsers; or Enterprise 2.0 applications. Qwaq Forums provides GUI controls that enable users to access remote applications and portals to other environments.

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Qwaq Forums uses the Croquet open source software development environment, which enables the creation and deployment of large-scale, distributed multi-user virtual 3D applications and metaverses. The Croquet architecture, supported by the Croquet Consortium, provides synchronous communication, collaboration, resource sharing and computation among large numbers of users on multiple platforms and devices.

Qwaq's founders, executives and advisory board members are all seasoned technology industry veterans and thought leaders with extensive experience working together to build successful companies. The Qwaq management team and key technical staff all share a deep background in developing and bringing to market highly scalable, distributed systems and have been involved in key industry developments such as graphical user interfaces, persistent networked objects, web services and Croquet. Qwaq's team includes founder and CTO, David Smith, a 3D pioneer and chief system architect of the Croquet Project; Nuyens, former CEO of instant802, chief technologist at Inktomi and Xerox PARC alumni; and Vice President of Enterprise, Remy Malan, former marketing vice president at AtWeb and director at Sun Microsystems. Qwaq Advisory board members include Alan Kay, founder of the Croquet Project, winner of the Kyoto Prize, Turing and Draper Awards, and one of the earliest pioneers of object-oriented programming, personal computing, and graphical user interfaces; and Internet pioneer and Croquet architect David Reed.


The above is from an article at http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-qwaq-unveils-virtual-spaces-software-secure-enterprise-collaboration-/2007/03/13/2409857.htm .

Qwaq's homepage is at http://qwaq.com/index.html

If 3D online virtual environments prove to be successful for use as business communications tools, the systems that facilitate the exchange of common business information, in common formats, will have a tremendous advantage over systems that don't.
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Pegasus Alva
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Back on topic then...
03-13-2007 12:20
now that we've gotten past the huge article post:


Someone was wondering earlier how much work it would take and my answer (without being an expert in the SL Source, and never seeing the OE code would be that imbedding OE in a way so that you could use it and save notes to desktop and such and it would just be embedded into your UI probably would not be that hard which would give you a cool note taking capability in a UI Window, but the whole importing and sending notes and spreadsheets and docs and stuff is either very hard or impossible with the current framework unless you sent it entirely independent of the SL envirnoment for example take my embedded ui idea and then to send they'd have to give you a really reacheable address (email presumeably) and it would have to be sent over the email framework, the alternative would be to send it over SL as txt via the notecard format but unless you added a whole new markup to allow formatting to be rejiggered at the other end it would end up as plain text in a notecard which would not help at all.


Hope my stream of thoughts didn't make that too hard to understand.