Second Life Forums Archive - Inventory as bag

bUTTONpUSHER Jones

professional puddlejumper

Join date: 10 Oct 2002

Posts: 172

03-10-2003 10:59

you have had 2 weeks to get accustomed to inventory as bag(dragging an object from inventory to world Moves the object instead of Copying the object). on a scale of +2 to -2 how do you rate it?

+2 two thumbs up!
+1 i like it
0 i don't care
-1 it's better than a stick in the eye
-2 it's a stick in the eye

Wednesday Grimm

Ex Libris

Join date: 9 Jan 2003

Posts: 934

03-10-2003 11:23

-2 stick in the eye

This is partially because I was used to the old method, and since this is a beta, that point is moot and should be ignored.

But also, because inventory is only a bag when you take things out of it. You drag things from the inventory in to the world, but you don't drag things from the world in to your inventory, you have to do a "take copy". Also, when you remove something from the world, it doesn't go back in your bag, it goes away (to the trash, yes, but this is "away" for all pratical porpoises). This breaks the metaphor.

Also also, objects in the world are fragile, they can be lost or accidentally deleted or wander off or whatever. It is now much easier to loose hours of work. Especially if you're working on something temporary with an llDie in it.

Bel Muse

Registered User

Join date: 13 Dec 2002

Posts: 388

03-10-2003 12:51

-2 It's a stick in the eye

In order to not lose things by accident, I end up making multiple copies of inventory items, which artifically bloats my inventory...not making it easier to manage...but harder.

Not to mention the reason I have this clumsy workaround in the first place, I have lost things that are gone forever!

It's a stick in the eye with a savage twist, IMO.

Nexus Nash

Undercover Linden

Join date: 18 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,084

03-10-2003 13:12

0... ok whne I pay attention but i've caught myself with a project and taking it out then deleting it and goign to find it again in the trash with 100 same name objects... but when i'm awake I like it... keeps stuff from pilling in.

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Maxen Underthorn

Registered User

Join date: 16 Jan 2003

Posts: 193

03-10-2003 13:22

-2, by the way I lost your chess set becuase of it.

Xavier VonLenard

Registered User

Join date: 21 Nov 2002

Posts: 273

-3 the stick is much lower and involves me grabbing my ankles.

03-10-2003 13:23

I really, really, really, don't like it.
I know what your thinking - "3 really's is kinda strong."
No, Mr Clean is strong, Hercules was strong, Lysol is strong and kinda stinks a little, I mean like really stinky not 3 really stinky but at least one.

Xavier

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Shebang Sunshine

Royal PITA

Join date: 3 Dec 2002

Posts: 765

-2

03-10-2003 13:30

I'm used to the old way. I'm used to simply deleting things in world that I've rez'd from my inventory.

Maybe if inventory objects, when hovered over with the mouse, would do a hover-text showing last modified date and time...

Although I really want a more explorer type of inventory window -- show me the details, baby! Give me a + next to each object, that when clicked would show me any/all objects/scripts/etc within the main object. Give me a column showing the creation time and another one showing the last modified time. Give me a column showing me the creator's name. Give me a column with a thumbnail pic.

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Jaxiam Slate

Registered User

Join date: 22 Jan 2003

Posts: 141

03-10-2003 13:57

-3
Sorry I gotta agree with Xav on this one.

I like the "concept" but if fall through when your buzzing quick and forget the shift key.

and as a note... I dont know if it happened to anyone else, but things attached in this manner (single items forgot to shift), ended up disappearing on me when entering a busy sim - and didnt end up back in either inventory or trash - just lost.

so no, I'm not a fan.

(and yes, checked the av clothing files too

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Misnomer Jones

3 is the magic number

Join date: 27 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,800

03-10-2003 14:19

-2
I dont care for it either and Ive lost things for the first time since it was introduced. Also as a side note, since it was introduced whenever I make new clothes I spend a lot of time looking for them. They never end up in the same folder and there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to where they are found. I spend a lot of time opening & closing folders hunting for clothing items I just made.

Josh Starseeker

Typical SL addict :)

Join date: 31 Dec 1969

Posts: 111

03-10-2003 14:22

Put me down for a neg 2.5....I've had to go digging in my trash more times I care to count....

Pulling something out of inventory should *always* just be a copy, no if, or buts about it...it just doesn't make sense to have inventory be a "bag"....this is a digital world, not a physical one.

J

Valfaroth Grimm

The Hunter

Join date: 18 Dec 2002

Posts: 165

03-10-2003 14:39

my eye hurts...

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BuhBuhCuh Fairchild

Professional BuhBuhCuh

Join date: 9 Oct 2002

Posts: 503

03-10-2003 15:33

it wouldn't be so bad if we could "undo" a delete - just last week, I missed a "shift-unselect on a fairly complex object that I had spent the entire week building, textureing etc, I was trying to save it to my inv so I could move it to its new home... unfortunately it was named object, and I haven't emptied my trash in months and I pulled out the top and bottom 50 "objects" in my trash to now avail. It was pretty cool too

or a insta-untrash button

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Dave Zeeman

Master Procrastinator

Join date: 28 Jan 2003

Posts: 1,025

03-12-2003 15:23

-2
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Mickey Roark

Early Beta/Charter Member

Join date: 23 Jan 2003

Posts: 103

03-12-2003 15:58

definite -2 on the BPJ scale!

I hate losing items, cuz I forgot to copy them back to inventory.

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Tweke Underhill

Tree Dweller

Join date: 23 Jan 2003

Posts: 66

-2

03-12-2003 16:03

I've gotten in the habit of always using the shift key when I take anything out of inventory. I haven't lost anything that way, but since I'm always copying anyway, that might as well be the default.

When I first started SL, I was a bit confused why I was ending up with duplicate objects in inventory, because I assumed it worked as a bag, like it does now. However, I figured out fast what was happening and thought it was a great idea. Other than new people will probably expect it to work that way, I don't see any advantage to it being a bag.

Wednesday Grimm

Ex Libris

Join date: 9 Jan 2003

Posts: 934

03-13-2003 08:17

What an amazing range of opinion there is in this thread.

Nada Epoch

The Librarian

Join date: 4 Nov 2002

Posts: 1,423

03-13-2003 08:24

i give it a plus 1 cause it lets me make one shot objects, but then i am just greedy

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Inventory as bag
bUTTONpUSHER Jones professional puddlejumper Join date: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 172	03-10-2003 10:59 you have had 2 weeks to get accustomed to inventory as bag(dragging an object from inventory to world Moves the object instead of Copying the object). on a scale of +2 to -2 how do you rate it? +2 two thumbs up! +1 i like it 0 i don't care -1 it's better than a stick in the eye -2 it's a stick in the eye
Wednesday Grimm Ex Libris Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 934	03-10-2003 11:23 -2 stick in the eye This is partially because I was used to the old method, and since this is a beta, that point is moot and should be ignored. But also, because inventory is only a bag when you take things out of it. You drag things from the inventory in to the world, but you don't drag things from the world in to your inventory, you have to do a "take copy". Also, when you remove something from the world, it doesn't go back in your bag, it goes away (to the trash, yes, but this is "away" for all pratical porpoises). This breaks the metaphor. Also also, objects in the world are fragile, they can be lost or accidentally deleted or wander off or whatever. It is now much easier to loose hours of work. Especially if you're working on something temporary with an llDie in it.
Bel Muse Registered User Join date: 13 Dec 2002 Posts: 388	03-10-2003 12:51 -2 It's a stick in the eye In order to not lose things by accident, I end up making multiple copies of inventory items, which artifically bloats my inventory...not making it easier to manage...but harder. Not to mention the reason I have this clumsy workaround in the first place, I have lost things that are gone forever! It's a stick in the eye with a savage twist, IMO.
Nexus Nash Undercover Linden Join date: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,084	03-10-2003 13:12 0... ok whne I pay attention but i've caught myself with a project and taking it out then deleting it and goign to find it again in the trash with 100 same name objects... but when i'm awake I like it... keeps stuff from pilling in. _____________________ Nexus Nash Co-Founder GigasSecondServer AzureIslands Proposals Proposal 1165 - Inventory Shortcuts
Maxen Underthorn Registered User Join date: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 193	03-10-2003 13:22 -2, by the way I lost your chess set becuase of it.
Xavier VonLenard Registered User Join date: 21 Nov 2002 Posts: 273	-3 the stick is much lower and involves me grabbing my ankles. 03-10-2003 13:23 I really, really, really, don't like it. I know what your thinking - "3 really's is kinda strong." No, Mr Clean is strong, Hercules was strong, Lysol is strong and kinda stinks a little, I mean like really stinky not 3 really stinky but at least one. Xavier _____________________ llSqrt(69) = Eight Something
Shebang Sunshine Royal PITA Join date: 3 Dec 2002 Posts: 765	-2 03-10-2003 13:30 I'm used to the old way. I'm used to simply deleting things in world that I've rez'd from my inventory. Maybe if inventory objects, when hovered over with the mouse, would do a hover-text showing last modified date and time... Although I really want a more explorer type of inventory window -- show me the details, baby! Give me a + next to each object, that when clicked would show me any/all objects/scripts/etc within the main object. Give me a column showing the creation time and another one showing the last modified time. Give me a column showing me the creator's name. Give me a column with a thumbnail pic. _____________________ -- Gravy: the new ice cream.
Jaxiam Slate Registered User Join date: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 141	03-10-2003 13:57 -3 Sorry I gotta agree with Xav on this one. I like the "concept" but if fall through when your buzzing quick and forget the shift key. and as a note... I dont know if it happened to anyone else, but things attached in this manner (single items forgot to shift), ended up disappearing on me when entering a busy sim - and didnt end up back in either inventory or trash - just lost. so no, I'm not a fan. (and yes, checked the av clothing files too ) _____________________ So long as we can dream, SL shall always be Beta. Book of the (Beta) Tester Book of Jax, line 1.
Misnomer Jones 3 is the magic number Join date: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,800	03-10-2003 14:19 -2 I dont care for it either and Ive lost things for the first time since it was introduced. Also as a side note, since it was introduced whenever I make new clothes I spend a lot of time looking for them. They never end up in the same folder and there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to where they are found. I spend a lot of time opening & closing folders hunting for clothing items I just made.
Josh Starseeker Typical SL addict :) Join date: 31 Dec 1969 Posts: 111	03-10-2003 14:22 Put me down for a neg 2.5....I've had to go digging in my trash more times I care to count.... Pulling something out of inventory should always just be a copy, no if, or buts about it...it just doesn't make sense to have inventory be a "bag"....this is a digital world, not a physical one. J
Valfaroth Grimm The Hunter Join date: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 165	03-10-2003 14:39 my eye hurts... _____________________ Valfaroth Grimm
BuhBuhCuh Fairchild Professional BuhBuhCuh Join date: 9 Oct 2002 Posts: 503	03-10-2003 15:33 it wouldn't be so bad if we could "undo" a delete - just last week, I missed a "shift-unselect on a fairly complex object that I had spent the entire week building, textureing etc, I was trying to save it to my inv so I could move it to its new home... unfortunately it was named object, and I haven't emptied my trash in months and I pulled out the top and bottom 50 "objects" in my trash to now avail. It was pretty cool too or a insta-untrash button BBC _____________________ START! Make your own movie in Second Life for The Take 5 Machinima Festival Films due Dec 4, screening Dec 7! http://www.alt-zoom.com/take5.htm
Dave Zeeman Master Procrastinator Join date: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 1,025	03-12-2003 15:23 -2 __________________ Posts++
Mickey Roark Early Beta/Charter Member Join date: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 103	03-12-2003 15:58 definite -2 on the BPJ scale! I hate losing items, cuz I forgot to copy them back to inventory. - Mickey _____________________ - Wherever you go... There you are. Roark Marine and Yacht Club - Bolinas (28,2
Tweke Underhill Tree Dweller Join date: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 66	-2 03-12-2003 16:03 I've gotten in the habit of always using the shift key when I take anything out of inventory. I haven't lost anything that way, but since I'm always copying anyway, that might as well be the default. When I first started SL, I was a bit confused why I was ending up with duplicate objects in inventory, because I assumed it worked as a bag, like it does now. However, I figured out fast what was happening and thought it was a great idea. Other than new people will probably expect it to work that way, I don't see any advantage to it being a bag.
Wednesday Grimm Ex Libris Join date: 9 Jan 2003 Posts: 934	03-13-2003 08:17 What an amazing range of opinion there is in this thread.
Nada Epoch The Librarian Join date: 4 Nov 2002 Posts: 1,423	03-13-2003 08:24 i give it a plus 1 cause it lets me make one shot objects, but then i am just greedy _____________________ i've got nothing.

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